Just to clarify, that is not really derogatory but actually a very accurate assessment of exploration in Elite.
Okay, carry on with the combat debate.
Every jump ends with a honk. Hundreds... and thousands of jumps.
Why are we forced to an aggressive approach?
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Every jump ends with a honk. Hundreds... and thousands of jumps.
Narrative in Elite?
Seems like Commanders are too fast for the pace the story is told and or there is no story, you have a part in. The hole affair feels like a stop feed thing in story telling. Does the game develop things based on our doing? - or do we wait for the next patch?
Seems like Commanders are too fast for the pace the story is told and or there is no story, you have a part in. The hole affair feels like a stop feed thing in story telling. Does the game develop things based on our doing? - or do we wait for the next patch?
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You aren't forced into anything until you are actually directed to do it. Currently, you are not.
What you want is to have a way to establish friendly relations from Day 1. Even though it would and should take much longer. Attack and counterattack on the other hand escalates really fast to the point where it doesn't matter who did what first.
You have the choice of providing them with cargo.
You do have the choice to not shoot at them.
Whether those choices will matter, we won't know until the next couple updates which might provide more interactions. Probably, seeing how much it's been requested. But for anyone who wanted to run missions for them on Day 1, I would say that's like making plans for a marriage before you've even been on your first date.
What you want is to have a way to establish friendly relations from Day 1. Even though it would and should take much longer. Attack and counterattack on the other hand escalates really fast to the point where it doesn't matter who did what first.
You have the choice of providing them with cargo.
You do have the choice to not shoot at them.
Whether those choices will matter, we won't know until the next couple updates which might provide more interactions. Probably, seeing how much it's been requested. But for anyone who wanted to run missions for them on Day 1, I would say that's like making plans for a marriage before you've even been on your first date.
I haven't read any of the books, but based on the excerpts that have been posted here and there, and based on GalNet and other sources dealing with lore, I've not seen anything to suggest that the Thargoids have returned with any purpose other than aggression. I mean, its not like alien life is just being discovered or anything. This is an ancient enemy that is coming back to finish or resume the last epic conflict that nearly ended with their extinction.
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Story line (plot summary for The Return):
Hundreds of years ago, we almost wiped one another out, but in the last moments before annihilation, we discovered a way to (hopefully) wipe them out. The fighting stopped, but we never knew why. Did they all die out or retreat? unknown. Now we know that they were recovering, and engaged in a long term strategy to regain a foot hold and catch us by surprise. The conflict didn't end for them, nor did they retreat. Now, they are launching the next phase in a conflict that began hundreds of years ago, and we are completely unaware and unprepared, because for us, the war ended long ago.
Fortunately, some hippies went out and talked to some of them, and it turns out the whole thing was a big misunderstanding! After some lulz about it, a CG was launched to bring pigs, wood, and various spices and booze to Sol and we had the biggest luau ever with our new friends!
The end.
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Story line (plot summary for The Return):
Hundreds of years ago, we almost wiped one another out, but in the last moments before annihilation, we discovered a way to (hopefully) wipe them out. The fighting stopped, but we never knew why. Did they all die out or retreat? unknown. Now we know that they were recovering, and engaged in a long term strategy to regain a foot hold and catch us by surprise. The conflict didn't end for them, nor did they retreat. Now, they are launching the next phase in a conflict that began hundreds of years ago, and we are completely unaware and unprepared, because for us, the war ended long ago.
Fortunately, some hippies went out and talked to some of them, and it turns out the whole thing was a big misunderstanding! After some lulz about it, a CG was launched to bring pigs, wood, and various spices and booze to Sol and we had the biggest luau ever with our new friends!
The end.
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This. Wanted to see if there was more them than just combat, but all we've been given to work with is pew pew.
I have the feeling the "plot" is completely fixed and bolted to combat.
All stuff we got to interact with the Thargoids are new Weapons.
Even the "scanner" resulting in aggressive response and is only for being able to target subsystems.
The probes make them really aggro too... and with (until today) no additional defense, the explorative guys in their small and weak vessels out there have no good chance to collect tissue samples, which don't play a big role anyway.
And as in other threads mentioned, why there are only trade CGs resulting in weapons for the Pew Pew crowd.
I am a fan of the Pew Pew... and I killed a few Thargoids, but there wehre a cool opportunity missed for the first interactions.
We should have got the defenses at first and then a CG just to get tissue samples from them to develop weapons or some kind of that.
But FD are like: "Here you have a subsystem scanner and a rocket launcher, go and have fun with the aliens"
I see this in my Wing. Most of the guys are like: "Na, I don't want to fight them. I wait until we have a scientific approach." ...I have the feeling we are beyond that point of interaction. :S
So you have a feeling..
Was it something you think about years ago or only now you actually start to realise something?
Every jump ends with a honk. Hundreds... and thousands of jumps.
I'll have what she's having...
Ooh that's a bit harsh, PM at least made a number of good games back in the day. I'd currently rank him 2nd, behind DB
Yep, that's exactly what I was going to say....
Welcome to a Killer DM's Railroaded Campaign.
That unease, you're feeling, CMDRs? It is having no choice. It is playing out a role defined for you by others, where you have no influence on the outcome, but can say you were a part of it. Book plots are for books, not interactive multi-player video games
Let's hope FD gets this out of their system with 2.4, and in 3.0 we can return to a, hopefully, ever increasing sandbox.
Let's hope FD gets this out of their system with 2.4, and in 3.0 we can return to a, hopefully, ever increasing sandbox.
Yeah, God forbid a game have a narrative...
I just wish I were free to do other things and not forced into combat with Thargoids.
Also, the guy in the Frontier shirt and standing in my living room with a baseball bat is a bit overkill.
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It's a good point. But you also don't design, manufacture, and distribute weapons across the galaxy in a week, realistically speaking, either. And yet FDEV is quite happily ignoring realism in that case. There are a TON of other unrealistic concessions made in this game where needed as well. Gameplay > realism is key to game development. So this is not an excuse I accept. I truly do think it's just that they have no idea HOW to give us other ways to interact with them. It also takes a LOT more work, and FDEV has shown over the last two years that it's taking them longer to do the things they planned that anticipated. So despite all of David's pie in the sky talks, it comes down to just shooting at them, or choosing not to. Because that takes the least amount of time to implement, and it's the one way to interact with them that takes zero imagination. "Just get something out the door so we can move on to the million other fires we have to put out" sort of thing.
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You know, it's funny you say that because I've been comparing 2.4 to the mistakes of an amateur, immature GM in a pen & paper RPG too. Impossible to damage enemies, and a story on rails are kind of a trope of terrible GM's.Welcome to a Killer DM's Railroaded Campaign.
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Well you try getting a tissue sample from a goid in a way that it doesn't see as aggressive.
I guess we can expect a cameo appearance from Drizzt do'Urden and Elminster any minute then...
I am a BGS player, involved in an ongoing Alliance conflict with the Federation. Me and my group make our own content. Much more fun than Thargoids or CGs
Pew Pew is the title of an XB1 Achievement for this game. Is FD being condescending toward players with that achievement? IDK but I never saw "pew pew" as condescending. I did learn the term here though.