Why benches, bathrooms and trash cans are not needed

[okxt2jzdjsrz]

I don’t think so. If they added more worker types they would very likely bring with it at least a rebalance (and maybe even revamp) of “Scheduling”. You might be able to drive a cleaning crew cart around like you can with the Jeep, but the more they add the more likely they’ll deepen staff management.

But, that's what YOU may like. Others may get annoyed with just another ranger with a new name.

No, cosmetics (ie, optional instead of forced functional) is the only compromise.

And, I can't repeat this too many times:
Overhauling the game to the extent that people are "expecting" to happen is not going to happen. Not for free anyway (at best your saved games and progress will be scrapped).

This may not be the best thread to admit this, but I'm pretty much done as well. The game is good for about 20 hours, and maybe go back once a month (above an average game; and I've got LITERALLY thousands of games I can play on almost a dozen systems in my collection over the last 40 years). I doubt Frontier cares. This isn't a "game as a service" that far too many games are nowadays. Frontier/Universal/Microsoft got my money already, and if I never play again it's no skin off their teeth.

 

[BWFerg78]

I see people complaining about how these things aren't in the game. It's ridiculous cause they aren't needed. These parks are supposed to be high tech resorts and not your local theme park, carnival or county fair. In the game the system Frontier has is shops and restaurants go where there is demand. That means at the tourist attractions. Viewing galleries, hotels, gyrosphere stations and so on all have a food, drink,fun and shopping demand that needs to be met. Of course this is simulated guest demand. Cause this is a management simulator. So around each viewing gallery you would set down some of these shops to cover these demands. So your guests should never be that far from a restaurant where they can eat, drink, rest, or use the bathroom. So benches are not really needed, bathrooms are not needed and there is no need to put little food and drink stalls all over the paths.


The other thing that makes these not needed is the monorail system. The monorail system pretty much nullifies these things as well, especially benches. If set up correctly your guests should never be that far from a monorail station. They can simply get on the monorail train/shuttle and be whisked off to any part of the park they choose without having to walk. The monorail stations should be in the vicinity of hotels and the shops. Now I have an issue with the use of the monorail system and I don't think it's being used the way it should.


Having to place all these shops around every attraction, hotel and so on makes the park look like a mess. The way these things should be handled is that you should build a guest area with all the amenities in it. There should be a monorail station at this guest area and when the guests get tired, hungry/thirsty, bored of looking at Dinosaurs they can go to the monorail station and head back to this guest area. Once there they can do whatever they need and then get back on the monorail and head back out into the park, where they choose to go. In this case maybe some bathroom stalls would be a good idea on the paths so guests don't have to get back on a monorail just to use the bathroom. This is how the monorail should be used. Right now having to put down all these guest amenities at every attraction is a waste of space and makes for some terrible looking parks and making good looking parks is important. Just look at any real life parks. Aesthetics do matter. No one wants to visit a park that looks like a dump.

It's not assuming anything. If you have ever been in a restaurant or even a fast food place they have seats. You can sit down in McDonalds while you eat their terrible food. You can also use the bathroom. Matter of fact all the different guest buildings should have bathrooms. So there isn't much to assume. The parks already look cluttered with having to place all these amenities everywhere so is no need to place even more clutter in the parks to take up even more space which we don't have much of anyway.

Why would we need benches, trash cans and bathrooms? Did you not read what I posted above? I explained why they are not necessary. Guests can go into the restaurant or fast food shop and eat there, they can also sit down. I am sure the fast food place has trash cans guests can throw their garbage into and the restaurant probably cleans it up for you. Also there will be bathrooms in these places. Guests wont be walking around the park throwing garbage every where.

Personally, I think having vendors so close to enclosures is a bad idea. I wouldn't want to stand by a Raptor paddock eating a burger. I'd be afraid the Raptors would smell the food and try harder to get out, especially cause you know some idiot would try to feed them. What's the biggest no-no at zoos? Feeding the animals. Guests should be required to enter the park without food or trash. I think all the guest needs should be met at the park entrance. If they get hungry, hop on the monorail and go get something to eat. If the original movie is any indication, they didn't plan to put vendors out in the park, they intended for people to get what they needed at the visitors center. The only remote buildings were for employees. I don't see a need for benches either. The viewing galleries should have seating, so plop your butt down in the viewing area. I'd think, IF you're gonna have food available for guests outside of the main entrance, that viewing galleries would have vending machines. Maybe a small vendor, kinda like you'd find at a movie theater, could be located inside the viewing gallery. Again, guests should be required to leave all food and trash before leaving the viewing gallery. Trash cans outside of the main guest area would be a bad idea. Storms will blow them over, trash will blow all over the park, dinos will eat the trash and get sick or die.

 

[gilangkr]

Why would we need benches, trash cans and bathrooms? Did you not read what I posted above? I explained why they are not necessary. Guests can go into the restaurant or fast food shop and eat there, they can also sit down. I am sure the fast food place has trash cans guests can throw their garbage into and the restaurant probably cleans it up for you. Also there will be bathrooms in these places. Guests wont be walking around the park throwing garbage every where.

No wonder he thinks thats have to manage space and strategically place restroom/benches is not a necessity in a zoo/theme park, because that opinion came from a guy who said that have to manually refill the feeder is a managerial task.
He dont want to think strategically, he just want to follow instruction.

Disneyland, San Diego Zoo, Universal Studios, all of them have so many restaurants/food stalls, yet they still provides a lot of benches and trash bins.
This guy must never been in any theme park if he thinks "guests can just sit/pee in those restaurants".

PCMR4Life way of thinking:
Strategically place buildings and manage space to fulfill the needs of our guests: not necessary, nor its a managerial. All should be automated.
Manually refill dino feeder every single time with no scheduling or staff workflow: deep enough managerial things.

He loves to follow instruction:
"Refill the feeder".
"Reboot power station".
"Cure sick dino".
"Open shelter for storm".

Simple. No vision needed.

 

[JohnMiller1132]

One of the reasons I like PCMR4Life's idea of centralized guest area is it significantly frees up much needed space. Rather than getting repetitive shops (which, by the way, usually not fully utilized) spreading all over places, the space can be used for other cosmetics/ features means.

For instance, a JP safari ride will have its space available around the enclosure. So does other attractions such as boat ride station, gondola lift and others. The point is having spaces reserved near enclosures for future rides rather than repetitive guest shops.

Additionally for JP Safari ride, I think it can be used as a tram service to travel guests around from Monorail station to other attraction rides or simply as a high tech mean of moving around.

For cosmetics means, this one I go against the OP. I think immediate needs are still necessary - but should be done with much smaller units. At the same time, it boosts the much needed varieties as well. Alternatively, as said, an upgraded complex monorail station (coupled with benches, vending machines, toilets, kiosks, and possibly Safari stops) can also be considered.

Finally, for those who like to maintain having shops around their enclosures, I'm not going against them. They should be allowed to do so but the requirement should be stripped down. Instead of having huge size repetitive shops all over the park as a requirement, it is better to have more variety of buildings around (within the guest area) - theater, centralized park, decorations, security posts, first-aid stations, and any things people can think of to make the park more lifelike.

P/S - I haven't read most of the posts above. So, sorry if I get repetitive.

 

[Armholeeio]

I think benches would be a nice addition, your on the tropics, your old and knackered and you have taken your hyperactive grand children to the park as a treat with a bit of your pension pot, you were stood for a hour to get into the viewing gallery for the T-Rex you want a sit down for five minutes before your dragged off to some other things little Johnny wants to see. Just a bench for five minutes of rest but there is no benches so you want to strangle the genius who decided you don’t require a bench after you strange little Johnny who decided that P&Q’s are no longer needed and is demanding everything he bluddy sees but people keep saying it’s his adhd and not that he needs a quick clip round the ear.......

 

[cometcruiser]

Am I making it up or are bins provided every now and again on the wide fancy path?

Bathrooms are a no no. I see it that in each of many consumer buildings, viewing areas and rail stations there would be a W/C. I don't think we need to place them.

But other decoration would be nice.

Small gardens or flower beds that add decoration. Large dino skeletons as statues. The skull outside the restaurant is a good start. A nice row of straight palm trees. On that note is their a trick anyone has to get adding forest to just add palm trees?

 

[Crobek]

Every theme park / zoo / resort in the world has toilet blocks

 

[JohnMiller1132]

I think benches would be a nice addition, your on the tropics, your old and knackered and you have taken your hyperactive grand children to the park as a treat with a bit of your pension pot, you were stood for a hour to get into the viewing gallery for the T-Rex you want a sit down for five minutes before your dragged off to some other things little Johnny wants to see. Just a bench for five minutes of rest but there is no benches so you want to strangle the genius who decided you don’t require a bench after you strange little Johnny who decided that P&Q’s are no longer needed and is demanding everything he bluddy sees but people keep saying it’s his adhd and not that he needs a quick clip round the ear.......

Cute little Johnny!!!

Hope you’re not referring to me though coz I love my grandparents and P’s & Q’s. Just doesn’t see the needs when there is jeep service to take you to the nearby hub. Not against them though.

 

[Arry]

Nice to see; one voice, dictating the views of the many.

 

[MickyG1982]

Even Jurassic park had toilets...

That lawyer guy hid in one, went well for him...

 

[Docjas18]

Even Jurassic park had toilets...

That lawyer guy hid in one, went well for him...

And they were sitting in a cozy self guided vehicle. Still had bathrooms.

 

[PCMR4Life]

Am I making it up or are bins provided every now and again on the wide fancy path?

Bathrooms are a no no. I see it that in each of many consumer buildings, viewing areas and rail stations there would be a W/C. I don't think we need to place them.

But other decoration would be nice.

Small gardens or flower beds that add decoration. Large dino skeletons as statues. The skull outside the restaurant is a good start. A nice row of straight palm trees. On that note is their a trick anyone has to get adding forest to just add palm trees?

You go in and sit down in the places and eat in this game. There is no need for bins. This is a high dollar resort. Not some little back water amusement park.

 

[PCMR4Life]

And they were sitting in a cozy self guided vehicle. Still had bathrooms.

This game doesn't have that and you know it. You know how the game works. You put down an enclosure, put a viewing gallery in it and then you put guest amenities in the same areas as the viewing gallery. There is really no need for bathrooms, trash bins/cans or benches.

 

[PCMR4Life]

I think benches would be a nice addition, your on the tropics, your old and knackered and you have taken your hyperactive grand children to the park as a treat with a bit of your pension pot, you were stood for a hour to get into the viewing gallery for the T-Rex you want a sit down for five minutes before your dragged off to some other things little Johnny wants to see. Just a bench for five minutes of rest but there is no benches so you want to strangle the genius who decided you don’t require a bench after you strange little Johnny who decided that P&Q’s are no longer needed and is demanding everything he bluddy sees but people keep saying it’s his adhd and not that he needs a quick clip round the ear.......

In that case you have two choices. You stop into the restaurant or fast food place and take a break and maybe grab a drink. If you are into it you can go into the bar and do the same. Maybe even the bowling alley. Like I said in a previous post there is no need for benches, trash cans or bathrooms. The way this game plays guests should never be that far from one of those buildings.

 

[PCMR4Life]

No wonder he thinks thats have to manage space and strategically place restroom/benches is not a necessity in a zoo/theme park, because that opinion came from a guy who said that have to manually refill the feeder is a managerial task.
He dont want to think strategically, he just want to follow instruction.

Disneyland, San Diego Zoo, Universal Studios, all of them have so many restaurants/food stalls, yet they still provides a lot of benches and trash bins.
This guy must never been in any theme park if he thinks "guests can just sit/pee in those restaurants".

PCMR4Life way of thinking:
Strategically place buildings and manage space to fulfill the needs of our guests: not necessary, nor its a managerial. All should be automated.
Manually refill dino feeder every single time with no scheduling or staff workflow: deep enough managerial things.

He loves to follow instruction:
"Refill the feeder".
"Reboot power station".
"Cure sick dino".
"Open shelter for storm".

Simple. No vision needed.

They probably sell food items outside the restaurants and so on. This game doesn't have that. This is supposed to be a high class, expensive resort. More classy and expensive than Disneyland.

 

[Gdain]

They probably sell food items outside the restaurants and so on. This game doesn't have that. This is supposed to be a high class, expensive resort. More classy and expensive than Disneyland.

Disney Land is far from expensive and classy lol.

 

[Dinocanid]

Disney is very expensive actually, unless you happen to be rich, lol. ($174 per person not including hotel fees and travel is far from cheap, lol)

Anyway, back on topic, I'd personally not mind having benches and whatnot. I can see them most likely being decorations and not a need, so if you don't want benches then just don't put one down. You're not going to be near a restaurant all the time, sometimes you just wanna sit down without having to walk all the way back to the central hub. No matter how fancy it is, if you have long stretching paths around viewing areas and all that (which don't have chairs afaik. I haven't seen any in one.), it accommodates visitors properly to have benches to sit down. You're not always going to be next to a bowling alley or whatever, sometimes it's a long walk. Not having anywhere for guests to sit outside is bad business practice as far a accessibility guidelines and legalities go.

On the less realistic side though, they make good decorations so the park looks more "real". I can see where you're coming from though, in other park builders placing these things can be a nightmare since the guests are never satisfied with how many you put down. It doesn't benefit gameplay, but neither does any decoration ever if you really think about it. In that case, we don't need flowers, decorative trees, fountains, and anything else that spruces up the park. They would be completely optional though, so no need to put them down if you don't want them.

Also you seem to be a little uh...aggressive? If my comment is upsetting at all I'm not completely bashing your opinion.

 

[PCMR4Life]

Disney Land is far from expensive and classy lol.

That's kind of what I am getting at. Cause nothing says classy like eating your food out in the street right?

 

[Agron]

SO... I was at the San Diego zoo recently and they had restrooms, benches all over, and trash cans all over the place. Yes there are also bathrooms in the restaurants but seeing as there are both.... Oh, this is also the same for theme parks. So yeah, I guess in our JP the quote would be "We have all the problems of a major theme park and a major zoo and there arent even any bathrooms yet."

 

[Agron]

Putting them in the game just cause you want to see them serves no purpose. It doesn't benefit the gameplay. Guests don't need them. So they aren't needed. Try again.

The guests are digital constructs that really don't "need" anything. What IS needed is a good time for players and that includes immersion. Granted immersion is different for everyone and you are entitled to your opinion. I just wish you would stop acting as though your opinion is sacrosact and everybody elses feelings are invalid. A great number of people, myself included, enjoyed Jurassic Park Operation Genesis and other park building games more because they had things like trash cans, bathrooms, and benches. Just because YOU don't feel they are needed doesn't mean you can dictate said feelings upon everyone. If they add bathrooms, just dont build them if you don't want to. Just like I wont breed a bigger Spino, because I don't like them that way. I hate your negative attitude and acting like other peoples valid opinions are worthless when they differ from yours.