I think fault lies in both camps, Frontier are certainly to blame to some degree for not curbing certain behaviours, but personal responsibility was still a thing last I checked.
Why do Developers dont give a single notice or interaction on PvP Subforum?
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I think fault lies in both camps, Frontier are certainly to blame to some degree for not curbing certain behaviours, but personal responsibility was still a thing last I checked.
Very well then, so can we at least ask these people not to complain when they get ignored by the rest of the community due to their morally discutable behaviour ?
I am not part of any discords because reasons and the only thing thay I do in this gane is PVP, I dont even bother changing builds or ships or even farming mats for synths, just move from CG to CG to kill weaker ships and to fight the stronger ones.
My point is you dont need to be part of the pvp community to fight with them, because the game has no pvp content and the discord is mostly biowaste posts etc.
Get a good ship (fas/fdl) outfit and engineer it properly and jump in. Pull cmdrs out of SC and try to kill them, dont wasite time to message in comms, they already agreed to it when they clicked open, shoot everyone and have fun, when you git gud you can take footage and upload it to your awesome channel in YT and people can leave salty/positive/funny comments.
When you git really gud you can stream on twitch and hope for a stream snipe so you can embarrass them live.
Much fun, jump in.
If you would like people to show respect to other people that is very commendable.
If you can honestly live in 2017 and expect that to happen universally, I don't even know where to start. Does that stance really reflect your experience of life?
It is not a psychology, it is obvious to point when even PvP players themselves say it.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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One of the major problems I see with this stuff is.
There will be bad guys in the game. And its not toxic shooting at someone else. The reaction from the person blowing up maybe toxic though.
And yes people will farm salt because sometimes there it literally nothing else to do. And sometimes its done to prove a point. I think we all know what that point is. And it has nothing to do with someone being a jerk. Most of the guys have families, work every day and have lives. Just like everyone else here.
Open is a dynamic experience and people should'nt be surprised to run into a bad guy. Yes all 3 modes right now are equal in terms of game play. BUT! The difficulty of the game modes change due to player interaction. And thats something you guys need to prepare yourselves for.
And im sorry mods or anyone else, but in order to explain depth of whats going on here. The topic of open, private and solo will always rise to the top. Because the people complaining about it simply dont understand what they are getting into. And they get upset. Especially when its advertised to "HUNT OTHER COMMANDERS".
As for salt farming? The community needs to accept what going on there and dont offer it up. Ignore it. Its a two way street. The more you adapt and modify your ships for the dynamics. The less salt will be had in the long run. There will be times you die. I bet I have more rebuys than anyone here posting in this thread. But as long as you accept the facts. There is nothing to be salty about. Just learn from your experience to get better.
It is Elite DANGEROUS. (Blah blah rank) Whatever, people dont see or look up this stuff when they buy the game thats advertised. And I think its unfair to advertise "or hunt other commanders" and the whole community cries wolf when it happens. And then you get devs saying "were not looking for some Armageddon here" As they introduce player factions and powerplay. But it all ends up fizzling out, Well because, you guessed it.
There will be bad guys in the game. And its not toxic shooting at someone else. The reaction from the person blowing up maybe toxic though.
And yes people will farm salt because sometimes there it literally nothing else to do. And sometimes its done to prove a point. I think we all know what that point is. And it has nothing to do with someone being a jerk. Most of the guys have families, work every day and have lives. Just like everyone else here.
Open is a dynamic experience and people should'nt be surprised to run into a bad guy. Yes all 3 modes right now are equal in terms of game play. BUT! The difficulty of the game modes change due to player interaction. And thats something you guys need to prepare yourselves for.
And im sorry mods or anyone else, but in order to explain depth of whats going on here. The topic of open, private and solo will always rise to the top. Because the people complaining about it simply dont understand what they are getting into. And they get upset. Especially when its advertised to "HUNT OTHER COMMANDERS".
As for salt farming? The community needs to accept what going on there and dont offer it up. Ignore it. Its a two way street. The more you adapt and modify your ships for the dynamics. The less salt will be had in the long run. There will be times you die. I bet I have more rebuys than anyone here posting in this thread. But as long as you accept the facts. There is nothing to be salty about. Just learn from your experience to get better.
It is Elite DANGEROUS. (Blah blah rank) Whatever, people dont see or look up this stuff when they buy the game thats advertised. And I think its unfair to advertise "or hunt other commanders" and the whole community cries wolf when it happens. And then you get devs saying "were not looking for some Armageddon here" As they introduce player factions and powerplay. But it all ends up fizzling out, Well because, you guessed it.
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Kind of like Algomatic alluded to, neither salt nor discord is required for PvP. Discord is a good tool for player groups (because the ingame player group tools are......nonexistent), and salt is a player choice. Most PvPers I meet and talk with don't kill unarmed traders, but rather enjoy fights with other CMDRs as they happen (i.e. some corvette keeps stealing your kills in the RES. You bludgeon him. Good times.). Pick the underdog in a CZ and start hunting hollow triangles. Get rekt a few times and reflect on what that pilot did better than you (this works better if you don't die in 12 seconds).
Edit: Speaking of salt, wasn't there some patch where FD said that they harvested salt for future use? Just sayin FD, just sayin...........
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Not sure about the salt farmers/farming, that happens daily somewhere in our community.
A more refined reply: Yes, we read threads in nearly all of the Elite forums. No, we (the CM team) cannot reply to all of the threads that we read. Be it we have nothing to state on the matter, or it's content being worked on - which may change or never see the light of day. We don't want to state something, and that something may change over time to something that may not be what was stated originally. The other hand, if a thread is an organic discussion with good debate that ends up spinning off ideas and other tree'd-out scenarios - we tend to observe rather inject/reply.
So you guys are more interested in watching our interactions than replying... I see.
It's why we call him Brett Big Brother C.
I've been Elite in Exploration for the last 1.5 years with a successful round trip to Beagle Point and two round trips to Sag A. Is the fact that I'm not reading or contributing to the Exploration subforum because I'm not "particularly interested" or because it's a flaw in the design and implementation of the forum itself?
Being jerk does not disqualify you from being actual human being, with actual real life beyond game.
When I have nothing to do in game, I quit, play other game, or go do other hobbies or work in real life.
As for proving a point - it does not prove a point about anything really besides player choosing being a jerk.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Totally missed the point. But good try.
Even devs need a laugh every so often!
My Crystal Ball tells me you've changed your playing style lately and have had little incentive to go exploring or be interested in exploring.
I'm doing a lot of projection here.
You have "a" crystal ball? I have two of them!
It generally isn't like this, however, whatever salt you put into it will get returned a thousand times over.
If you aren't salty, most PVP'ers are not going to pile on. I've been baited a few times, but responding with "Good Fight, you guys wrecked me" or "Good Fight, you'll get me next time" disarms it pretty quick.
Where the salt really comes from is players who do not like PVP. You attack the wrong/right person at a CG and it is like a salt atomic bomb going off.
PVP is more like 20% grinding rebuy money/50% grinding engineering/30% combat.
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Can confirm this is intended. Not only do I have two, but I can assure the both of you I'm also projecting.
Not so much a fault as a deliberate design choice. after all, the whole point of ED is unstructured play. No matter what, if you turn a group of humans loose on a playing field some of them will find ways to be hurtful or toxic. If they are both toxic and good, they will be able to deal with whatever consequences are placed on the board as a deterrent. This is true of all game spaces, and frankly it's true IRL too. There's only so much a game dev can do about this in a multiplayer game unless they are actively cheating.]
While it is both trite and weak to say "if you don't like it don't play in Open," it's nonetheless the case. That's an option. It comes down to how serious the problem of player toxicity is for you. Personally I'm 100% private group because I just don't need the headache.
Does yours also show the future when you rub them?
Then your projections will be very clear.
As for PVP not getting love... I'll say again what's been said before -- combat of all stripes has gotten the most love out of every profession in this game. Exploration, trade and mining mechanics are almost exactly where they were 2 years ago when the SRV was still new. Passenger missions is the only real new thing under the sun I can think of at the moment, unless you count ice mining which is literally mining, only ice, so I kinda don't. The mechanics are not fundamentally exactly the same, only the scenery is slightly different.
In the same timeframe we've got several new PvP options, a couple new weapons classes, ship launched fighters, and a whole mode CQC for players who like to fight.
And we get... passenger missions. I mean it's not like that's not a good thing but at the same time compare that with the repeated love and tweaking that the combat system has gotten in the same timeframe... you guys don't know how lucky you are.
So if progress and new combat metas feel sluggish to you, think about economic players and tell me how the game has changed for them. Has it changed at all? Other than a gimmick or two, not appreciably. And that in a far larger time frame than the last major shift to combat metas. And this for a game where "space truckin'" is probably THE most popular game mode, and the one it's best known for.
Tell me again who's not getting the love? You guys hashing out PVE and PVP arguments are completely ignoring the people who don't want to do either one. It's finally gotten to the point that FD is finally getting around to throwing economic players a bone, and you guys are complaining because for the first time in 2 years you're NOT at the front of the chow line! Imagine how that feels for us?
In the same timeframe we've got several new PvP options, a couple new weapons classes, ship launched fighters, and a whole mode CQC for players who like to fight.
And we get... passenger missions. I mean it's not like that's not a good thing but at the same time compare that with the repeated love and tweaking that the combat system has gotten in the same timeframe... you guys don't know how lucky you are.
So if progress and new combat metas feel sluggish to you, think about economic players and tell me how the game has changed for them. Has it changed at all? Other than a gimmick or two, not appreciably. And that in a far larger time frame than the last major shift to combat metas. And this for a game where "space truckin'" is probably THE most popular game mode, and the one it's best known for.
Tell me again who's not getting the love? You guys hashing out PVE and PVP arguments are completely ignoring the people who don't want to do either one. It's finally gotten to the point that FD is finally getting around to throwing economic players a bone, and you guys are complaining because for the first time in 2 years you're NOT at the front of the chow line! Imagine how that feels for us?
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