Why do people like the Chieftan vs the Python for combat?

m0rl0ck

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In another thread people are discussing the chieftan vs the python for combat and some are saying the chieftan is the better combat ship.
I tried combat in a chieftain over the course of most of an evening and other that 2 canopy blowouts, nothing of note happened.
The loadout i usually use is gimballed or turreted pulse lasers with gimballed MC's on the larger hard points.
The chieftain didnt seem to pack any more punch than my python and seemed less durable as well. It was a little more maneuverable, but with FA off my python can keep up fine maneuvering against just about any NPC opponent.

So am i missing something here? Wrong loadout? Maybe not flying it to the best advantage?
 

cmdr kruzer70

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I suspect mainly because it is new. In the first few days the T-10 came out there was some euphoria as well. I remember one guy in my player group saying he didn't need his Conda anymore. I think he's back in the Conda now.
 

[VR] Enexemander

[VR] Enexemander
Yeah, it's the agility. I don't want to knock the Python. It's a fine ship, but it's not agile even with maxed dirties. It sounds like you play more of a tank role than a dogfighting one, if the canopy blow outs are a clue. The Python is a great tank. The Chieftain is meant to dance around and avoid fire. Even the NPC chieftains I've seen in combat zones are pretty adept at this, so I imagine they have a unique AI, or unique parameters on the existing.

If you're interested in learning to dogfight proper, I'd recommend running around in an Eagle MK2 for a while -Low rebuy, but very unforgiving of flight manuever mistakes. If you want to appreciate the Chiefain in all its glory, you'd be fighting more like an Eagle than a Python.

Does that make sense?
 

UmbraRex

UmbraRex
m0rl0ck said:
In another thread people are discussing the chieftan vs the python for combat and some are saying the chieftan is the better combat ship.
I tried combat in a chieftain over the course of most of an evening and other that 2 canopy blowouts, nothing of note happened.
The loadout i usually use is gimballed or turreted pulse lasers with gimballed MC's on the larger hard points.
The chieftain didnt seem to pack any more punch than my python and seemed less durable as well. It was a little more maneuverable, but with FA off my python can keep up fine maneuvering against just about any NPC opponent.

So am i missing something here? Wrong loadout? Maybe not flying it to the best advantage?
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For myself, and myself only...

The chieftain turns like a dream, accelerates like a cheetah, packs one heck of a punch and can (usually) hang in after shields drop long enough to get that last kill before hightailing it out.

The python turns, eventually, gets up to speed okay I guess, packs a pretty good punch, but if I don't boogie immediately after shields drop I'm probably gonna see the rebuy screen.

Now, part of that is outfitting. I haven't tweaked out my Python for combat like I have my Chieftain. But the Chieftain is a dedicated combat vessel with three restricted military slots. However the Python cannot match the maneuverability of the Chieftain no matter what outfitting you do.
 

Fyren

Fyren
m0rl0ck said:
I tried combat in a chieftain over the course of most of an evening and other that 2 canopy blowouts, nothing of note happened.
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Same here. Lost the Chieftain twice (both times following a broken canopy). Never lost the Python. Chief is collecting dust. 'Nuff said.
 

m0rl0ck

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Enexemander said:
If you're interested in learning to dogfight proper, I'd recommend running around in an Eagle MK2 for a while -Low rebuy, but very unforgiving of flight manuever mistakes. If you want to appreciate the Chiefain in all its glory, you'd be fighting more like an Eagle than a Python.

Does that make sense?
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I mainly use my FDL for dogfighting type combat, but even in a python lateral thrust and a simulteanous roll will keep most fixed weapon NPC's from landing more than a glancing shot, even head on.
 

verminstar

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verminstar
At this minute in time, Im just getting back from a tour of all the engineers Ive unlocked in the chief....Ive gone as far as I can get until I unlock more engineers basically. Its fast becoming one of me favourite ships in the game, especially fer combat...hits like a medium ship can, flies like a small ship and pretty quick into the bargain. Class 6 sheild size, good weapon placement fer rails, and a sub 3m rebuy...whats not to like?

Ok so its not the most versatile ship, but then again, its not supposed to be...it is designed primarily as a combat ship, whereas the python does fulfil the multi role function...in spades a fine ship in its own right of that I have little doubt. Buts its significantly more expensive and a chief will out turn and outrun a python all night long and can easily go toe to toe in tanking ability with a python...makes up fer a little less in firepower because...ye know what? Buy a chief and use it fer a bit...ye will understand the reasons soon enough ^
 

Hooplah

Hooplah
It is all about speed, maneuvering and engineering less the big three. That is a different game. The Python is an introduction to the skills needed to fly the big three. Master a Python and you are going to love an Anaconda as many have done before you. Many used the Python to pay for the Anaconda as well as the Corvette and Cutter.

For this thread max out the thrusters in a Python and it does well. But a Chieftain with engineering, great weapons and pilot skills will get behind a Python and take it out. Here's my initial Chieftain build for Hi CZs. Some players more combat dedicated will have better builds than me. You do the math and adjust accordingly per your play style.
 
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Captain Thea Kreutzer

Captain Thea Kreutzer
m0rl0ck said:
In another thread people are discussing the chieftan vs the python for combat and some are saying the chieftan is the better combat ship.
I tried combat in a chieftain over the course of most of an evening and other that 2 canopy blowouts, nothing of note happened.
The loadout i usually use is gimballed or turreted pulse lasers with gimballed MC's on the larger hard points.
The chieftain didnt seem to pack any more punch than my python and seemed less durable as well. It was a little more maneuverable, but with FA off my python can keep up fine maneuvering against just about any NPC opponent.

So am i missing something here? Wrong loadout? Maybe not flying it to the best advantage?
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I dont understand why people compare the 2 the price range is way off to be able to compare them
 

Captain Jack Sparrow

Captain Jack Sparrow
I don't understand why anyone would use a python for combat. It's not good in combat and purchase price + A rating it is 200 million. For 200 million you could build a beast of a combat ship and have enough left over to buy a T7 for Cargo and a DBX for exploration.
 

Mangal Oemie

Mangal Oemie
Why do people like the Chieftain vs the Python for combat?

Because I fly rings around Pythons in my Chieftain if I want to. They make one pass, and I am on their thrusters.

Python is an excellent mission ship (especially deliveries). I wouldn't take it into combat.
 

m0rl0ck

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anubis_IV said:
I don't understand why anyone would use a python for combat. It's not good in combat and purchase price + A rating it is 200 million. For 200 million you could build a beast of a combat ship and have enough left over to buy a T7 for Cargo and a DBX for exploration.
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I have taken down deadly npc fed corvettes in a python with comparatively light engineering. Since i only do PVE it works for just about every possible scrap i could get into running missions. I dont take it into haz res or czs though, its too big a target :).
 
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Hooplah

Hooplah
Mangal Oemie said:
Why do people like the Chieftain vs the Python for combat?

Because I fly rings around Pythons in my Chieftain if I want to. They make one pass, and I am on their thrusters.

Python is an excellent mission ship (especially deliveries). I wouldn't take it into combat.
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I agree. The Python combined with a Cutter can make more credits faster in the game to pay for all other activities. My Python paid for the Cutter. Both together paid for everything else. Then it is nice to have the credits to outfit any ship in the game.
 

m0rl0ck

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Well maybe i will give the chief another try when i have the engineering materials to spare one of these days. I hope they fix the canopy before then, thats got to be a bug.
 

verminstar

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verminstar
m0rl0ck said:
I have taken down deadly npc fed corvettes in a python with comparatively light engineering. Since i only do PVE it works for just about every possible scrap i could get into running missions. I dont take it into haz res or czs though, its too big a target :)
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Thing is though, Im taking the same thing down, plus their two escorts in the chief...and I can and do take it into haz rez and czs. And thats also with light engineering cos I still havent unlocked 4 of them yet, so theres still room fer improvement.

Its a no brainer before ye take into consideration that an A rated chief only cost about 75m...how far will that go if yer A rating a python?

Also, the canopy issue was sorted in the last patch by decreasing the hitpoint area...or so I semi remember reading ^
 
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yolomcbobbinz

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Mostly because the chieftain is a combat ship and the python isnt.

If i had a choice between risking an 80million credit ship vs a 200 mil, id take the cheap one. Also chieftain has way more hull strength and is infinitly more maneuverable.
 
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