Why do people wait until a community goal, to be oles?

Screemonster

Screemonster
gtodd876 said:
"I like to paraphrase people but change the words and meaning and put it in quotes to make myself feel like I cut them down...makes me feel great... just like when I spend my free time ganking people."
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Yes, that is what paraphrasing is. And what are you here for if not to sneer and make assumptions?
 

sandkid

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Full disclosure: I support the act of ganking in games that allow it. If the developer didn't intend it, it wouldn't be possible or easy. The game is multiple years old and never yet balanced for PvP. Ergo: FDev also supports ganking as a gameplay mechanic.

THAT SAID... (if you made it this far)...

As an EVE Online Bittervet and a Carebear Extraordinaire, I do not understand why people whine about Open Play in this game. If you want to have a non-PvP environment and convince FDev that is best (because why whine otherwise)...

Play in Solo or PG.
Build the market there.

Developers watch their games and they do listen - if only passively - and the game will never see PvP balance or proper Crime & Punishment if the numbers don't reflect a need for it. Play in Solo. Always. If you don't like how Open Play is...don't use it.

Not because you want to be snarky. Not because you want to make a 'statement to the community' or some such. Because you actually believe Open Play is worthless.
So don't play it. I don't. I'm probably in the minority and that's ok. Some day I might not be, but until then...if I want multiplayer in Elite without griefing, I play in PG. Otherwise, I enjoy the game just fine in solo. I still support ganking and the right to grief in games that allow it. Heck, I do it in EVE and other titles. I just don't much enjoy it in Elite because engineering as a feature sucks and there just isn't the same rush (for me).

Don't play Open Play. Just don't. Enjoy the game, heck, you paid for it.
Let Open be Open...it'll either always be there, or some day it'll be balanced differently.
All you can do - all you should do - is vote with your play time.

It sounds stupid and simple because it is.
Play what you like, where you like, how you like.
 

gtodd876

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sandkid said:
Full disclosure: I support the act of ganking in games that allow it. If the developer didn't intend it, it wouldn't be possible or easy. The game is multiple years old and never yet balanced for PvP. Ergo: FDev also supports ganking as a gameplay mechanic.

THAT SAID... (if you made it this far)...

As an EVE Online Bittervet and a Carebear Extraordinaire, I do not understand why people whine about Open Play in this game. If you want to have a non-PvP environment and convince FDev that is best (because why whine otherwise)...

Play in Solo or PG.
Build the market there.

Developers watch their games and they do listen - if only passively - and the game will never see PvP balance or proper Crime & Punishment if the numbers don't reflect a need for it. Play in Solo. Always. If you don't like how Open Play is...don't use it.

Not because you want to be snarky. Not because you want to make a 'statement to the community' or some such. Because you actually believe Open Play is worthless.
So don't play it. I don't. I'm probably in the minority and that's ok. Some day I might not be, but until then...if I want multiplayer in Elite without griefing, I play in PG. Otherwise, I enjoy the game just fine in solo. I still support ganking and the right to grief in games that allow it. Heck, I do it in EVE and other titles. I just don't much enjoy it in Elite because engineering as a feature sucks and there just isn't the same rush (for me).

Don't play Open Play. Just don't. Enjoy the game, heck, you paid for it.
Let Open be Open...it'll either always be there, or some day it'll be balanced differently.
All you can do - all you should do - is vote with your play time.

It sounds stupid and simple because it is.
Play what you like, where you like, how you like.
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply and I agree with those thoughts 100%. I newer to Elite, around 6 months, so I'm learning that's just the way it is.
 

Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
gtodd876 said:
OP: Right there with you and experienced the same thing. Hearing about the community goal made me want to work together with decent human beings to work towards a common goal together. Tried out open for about 5 mins before I was ganked by somebody who had no benefit to gain from killing me (no cargo) and it not like there was any skill or challenge involved since I just sat there with no intention of fighting.
I'll never understand how somebody gets satisfaction from something that takes zero effort/skill/investment of time but hey if that's what makes the happy so be it. Glad I could help one for the evening. nbd. Learned my lesson and went back to solo and have stayed in solo. I guess there also Mobius for people like us but also a bummer there aren't more serious consequences for those that execute acts of senseless violence just like in the real world. Fine be a criminal but if you get caught ... Also now that I think about it I wonder why the gankers just don't play CQC all day?
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gtodd876 said:
I would but I've got too many things I'd like to accomplish in Elite that actually take some skill than research the mind of gankers that choose to spend the time of their day ruining other people's days. I'll just assumed they got pooped on a lot throughout life and call it a day.
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gtodd876 said:
I was here to express my empathy for the OP and that's why I took the time to comment. I have no idea why you keep replying with snark.
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Looks like all you do is make assumptions without anything to really back it up.
Well if you ever change your mind about playing in open, I'd be happy to teach you how to survive a gank instead of just sitting there and letting them kill you.

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Susanna

Susanna
Jukelo said:
My opinion would be Susanna's if I had bought the game expecting a friendly, coop-only environment. That's more what I expect when joining a private Minecraft server (but of course checking the rules first would be a good idea), but I don't think Frontier has ever advertised the game like this. And yet because Frontier realize different folks will be looking for different things in the game, they have at the very least offered three options to tailor your multiplayer experience according to your tastes. Anybody can create a testosterone-free private group if they're not interested in competition, and they will have absolute authority over who they play with. And they ahve also provided an anything-goes environment for those interested in that. I agree with you that some aspects of the game suffer from a lack of direction or a misguided attempt to satisfy too many at once, but this isn't it.

Susanna has no business judging other players' actions in Open as wrong, and even less judging these players' RL moral compass, unless these actions break the rules we all agree to by playing the game. And even if a player's action in the game trully reflect a hidden aspect of their personality: so what, what is it to the rest of us? It doesn't impact us negatively, not in a way that, if we didn't outright consent to, we weren't at least expected to prepare ourselves for. Join a sex dungeon and people will probably expect that you want sex dungeony things done to your cargo scoop. Nobody could reasonably blame those who then give you what you signaled, by joining, that you wanted.
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By that argument, every player of ED consents to asymmetric PvP, including seal clubbing. I'm not sure that is everyone's definition of Open.
 

Susanna

Susanna
Sir Ganksalot said:
Ah, this make complete sense now. You're just another one of those hateful people that want to watch the world burn and call it justice. Nevermind then, good luck with life. I wish you the best.
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That is the complete opposite of my position! Sheesh! You really do **** me off.
 

gtodd876

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Sir Ganksalot said:
Looks like all you do is make assumptions without anything to really back it up.
Well if you ever change your mind about playing in open, I'd be happy to teach you how to survive a gank instead of just sitting there and letting them kill you.

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I apologize to the gankers out there I upset with my assumptions. I don't get it but to each their own. It is my assumption that everybody out there is playing Elite as a fun distraction from the pooptastic year that is 2020 and to me if you get randomly ganked with no purpose ... just adds to the pervasive sense of hopelessness. I'll be taking sandkids advice and voting with my playtime where I enjoy playing.

I appreciate the offer for help Sir Ganksalot! If I ever decide to come back to open and want to focus on combat I'll reach out and see if the offer is still on the table.
 

Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
gtodd876 said:
I apologize to the gankers out there I upset with my assumptions. I don't get it but to each their own. It is my assumption that everybody out there is playing Elite as a fun distraction from the pooptastic year that is 2020 and to me if you get randomly ganked with no purpose ... just adds to the pervasive sense of hopelessness. I'll be taking sandkids advice and voting withy my playtime where I enjoy playing.

I appreciate the offer for help Sir Ganksalot! If I ever decide to come back to open and want to focus on combat I'll reach out and see if the offer is still on the table.
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For me, it's just playing as a bad guy, or galactic villain.
And the more I've thought about it lately, the more I think the reason is because this game caters to gankers more than lawfuls.
If this game had a legit player bounty system, I would probably play as a bounty hunter. Or if there was a way for players to transfer credits, I would be a mercenary, but as it is, the only fun way to play is as a bad guy.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Susanna said:
That is the complete opposite of my position! Sheesh! You really do **** me off.
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And this is the whole problem with having any expectations of other players beyond what's set out in terms and conditions. Who knows what you or anyone else thinks "the rules" should be.

That's why terms and conditions exist, so that people can't just run around and claim any arbitrary rules they like. If i tried to appease everyone who's ever got their nose out of joint about something I'd done in the game, i literally wouldn't be able to do anything. That list includes:
  • UA bombing Jacques
  • UA bombing any station
  • carrying thargoid materials to Colonia
  • causing / contributing to the cause of any BGS state.
  • playing in solo
  • trading (nothing specific, just trading)
  • destroying NPCs of any flavour
  • supporting OPFOR in CGs such as NI, LOR or SOP; and
  • attacking other players

That's ridiculous to consider i need to not undertake any of those activities because someone might think it unfair, bullying or whatever. The only authority here is the conditions i signed up to when joining the game.

Bullying is bad, and doesn't belong in the game, but simple, rule- abiding gameplay is not, and to try to say it is dilutes the meaning of the word and leads people suffering genuine bullying to not be taken seriously.
 
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Just Paul

Just Paul
Frillop Freyraum said:
You seem to confuse what FDev allows and what they encourage. A good indicator for what they encourage is their ARX system. I wonder how much ARX you gain for blowing up a commander's ship? Should ring a bell to you or two... Exploring and credit earning seems to be the 2 big things they encourage. PvP? Not at all. Only for the game magazines at best. But when we talk about what they allow or don't punish at least, let's start with combat logging. How's that?
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5 if you blow somebody up if I recall right, you also get 10 for getting blown up. FDev seems to encourage to blow up ships and get blown up. FDev seem to take CL serious. We saw a change in behavior of people who were reported.
 

Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
Jmanis said:
And this is the whole problem with having any expectations of other players beyond what's set out in terms and conditions. Who knows what you or anyone else thinks "the rules" should be.

That's why terms and conditions exist, so that people can't just run around and claim any arbitrary rules they like. If i tried to appease everyone who's ever got their nose out of joint about something I'd done in the game, i literally wouldn't be able to do anything. That list includes:
  • UA bombing Jacques
  • UA bombing any station
  • carrying thargoid materials to Colonia
  • causing / contributing to the cause of any BGS state.
  • playing in solo
  • trading (nothing specific, just trading)
  • destroying NPCs of any flavour
  • supporting OPFOR in CGs such as NI, LOR or SOP; and
  • attacking other players

That's ridiculous to consider i need to not undertake any of those activities because someone might think it unfair, bullying or whatever. The only authority here is the conditions i signed up to when joining the game.

Bullying is bad, and doesn't belong in the game, but bullying, but simple, rule- abiding gameplay is not, and to try to say it is dilutes the meaning of the word and leads people suffering genuine bullying to not be taken seriously.
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I'm gonna sound like a complete noob and let my inner boomer show for one second. What is UA bombing?
 
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