What exactly did you do for those 5000 hours? I have 2500 hours into the game so far and 90% of it was a mindless, repetitive grind. Fortunately I run everything on my computer in windowed mode so I can alt-tab and actually do something else for some of that grind, but it's still a grind and has almost no meaningful gameplay content attached to it.
Why does it take so long to fix game issues?
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What exactly did you do for those 5000 hours? I have 2500 hours into the game so far and 90% of it was a mindless, repetitive grind. Fortunately I run everything on my computer in windowed mode so I can alt-tab and actually do something else for some of that grind, but it's still a grind and has almost no meaningful gameplay content attached to it.
You don't like ED. You, however, are not welcome to trash me or other people who enjoy ED. Call it whatever you want, or try to find associations to deride me or others, but that's really pointless. In the end you don't like ED, and you are here, and we do.
This is assuming what you consider as grind it what everyone else thinks of grind. For example, some players love mining, I couldn't think of anything worse to do in the game it would bore me to tears - so I don't do it. Some players think it is great gameplay to fly around starter systems and CG, attacking the weak and defenceless, I don't. Some people thrive on Engineering, they might not like it, but dammit, no one is going to have a ship with better numbers than them, so they put up with the grind to achieve their goal (and yes, whine about it straight afterwards on here, but that's beside the point).
Just because you think aspects of the game are an unplayable grind, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else holds that same opinion. And before you jump down my throat, yes there is grind in the game, but I try not to let it effect me as I don't do those tasks that are in my opinion, a grindfest.
Well I suppose different players want different things out of their free time, and sometimes (quite often) what I want is a bit of peace & quiet with a big target to achieve. Last week I drove across Belgium on the E40 for hour after hour, in an old sportscar with no cruise control, uncomfortable bucket seats and for a significant portion of the trip, the roof down. I could have gone in my SUV & it would have been easy & very, very dull. But because I could (I went alone) I took the sportscar.
The E40 is a dull, straight road, but it was still a memorable event because of the method I chose to tackle it. I appreciate most would have taken the SUV
If anyone's interested it's a 2003 1.8 MX-5, my other choice would have been a BMW X-5. Both do similar mpg.
How exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that I "don't like ED" after playing over 2500 hours? I obviously enjoyed the core gameplay when it launched, that does not mean that I am happy with what Elite has become after over 3.5 years of neglected "development" and the numerous terrible game design decisions that have been made since then.
How exactly was I "trashing" anyone? Why would you try to insist on viewing any criticism of the game as if it were directed at you personally in some way? That's an utterly nonsensical claim to make.
I'm not "deriding" anyone. You are not the game, you have no reason to be "offended" because simply because someone criticizes Elite.
How exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that I "don't like ED" again?
You are here, demonstrating why I have to add users to my ignore list.
The issue here is that there are many activities required for game progression which have no gameplay value after the first few hours. There is no challenge or interest involved beyond that point, you are simply doing the same activity over and over for some sort of progression that is time-gated to require dozens or even hundreds of hours.
Carrying data between stations over and over again just to grind your Naval rank or local rep is mindless and has no gameplay value. You aren't even minimally engaged in the process like you are with trading where you follow buy/sell prices, cargo capacity and jump ranges and are trying to optimize your route. Doing those courier data missions over and over again has no actual gameplay value and is simply designed to grind activities over and over for rank/rep progression.
Driving the SRV on planets looking for very rare mats has no actual gameplay value after the first few hours, especially given that the wave scanner isn't particularly reliable (due to various bugs) and the SRV's engine sound drowns out the wave scanner which is an absurd situation since the vehicle uses an electric engine on an airless planet. Spending an hour driving on a planet to find maybe one or two metallic meteorites isn't gameplay content and simply involves driving around long enough to trigger the RNG spawns.
Even the recent Guardian ruin sites are still based on boring grindy gameplay. They have maybe 2 hours of actual gameplay content but require 12 hours to unlock all of the Guardian weapons and modules. There is nothing "enjoyable" about killing hundreds of Sentinels for mats or scanning hundreds of obelisks to get Epison data that has maybe 1 in 100 drop rate. It is just grind.
If you don't do those activities you are not getting any of the rank-locked ships, Engineering mats or Guardian mats that you need to obtain those items. You quite simply can't progress in the game in those areas without doing the various grinds. If you want to make any meaningful progress in the game you don't have any other option because the game is literally designed around grind.
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Well I have three monitors & will regularly check this forum or watch youtube when travelling, yes. But I don't see this as much different from listening to the radio on a motorway.
My first year was spent working to get triple elite. This was hard work, took me out of my comfort zone & provided motivation to keep going where without the goal I might have given up. This is like running a marathon, where the technical description is dull (one foot in front of the other for 26 miles) but the motivation is key.
After that I was a little burned out & took a break for a couple of months, then returned & bummed about in an unarmed Cobra taking silly risks, trolling PvPers & generally enjoying the fruits of my labour (all the money I earned & ships I unlocked).
When 2.1 arrived I was frustrated by the new AI (in particular the endless stream of Elite Anacondas sent after me) & rather than stop playing went on a grand tour of the galaxy. One particularly memorable challenge (that you may consider a chore) was spending 3 months travelling the last 2,000ly to Beagle Point in my 19ly fully equipped Corvette, knowing only that it was theoretically possible but not the path to do it (it took me less than a day to retrace my steps back out again). It is arguably among the most heavily armed & armoured ships ever to visit BP, I am therefore possibly the most paranoid player in the community
I did it in Open of course.Maybe it's not what you do but what motivates you that's the difference? I like this game, I only wish there was more of it.
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I can understand what you are saying, but I tend to mitigate this by trying to never do a single activity for longer than a hour at the most. Sure there are times when that isn't possible, like yesterday when I decided to take my new Krait for a spin of about 300lys to unlock a specific Engineer. I knew it was going to be boring, kind of self inflicted because I like doing a full DSS scan on any systems I encounter that are marked as Unknown to me. I broke that up into short 30 minute jaunts and had a break in between each run. Took me longer than some, but I ended up with a healthy payment from the Cartography department, a boost to my overall Explorer status and a new found respect for those that like heading out to the black.
I only did this once, took my Courier which I enjoy flying, stacked the missions as one does, and had some fun doing it. Got to the required rank, then did some more because I was actually enjoying getting interdicted by larger ships in my little speedster. Had this wonderful little image of an irate NPC Anaconda pilot shaking his fist at me every time I beat his interdiction
The rest of the time, I have not worried about rank, it just comes naturally as I do missions and the like. This could be because I am not focused on getting some uber ship to show my manhood err skill. Yep I will never own one of the big four Now this one I do disagree with. For starters you must be landing in the wrong areas or not looking at the specs of the planet first. I find I am locating rocks to shoot about every five to ten minutes max, normally quicker than that. As for the wave scanner, now that I understand it, never had a problem with it, it guides me to where I need to go just about every time. I actually admit I enjoy hooning around the surface in my little moon buggy, I find it very relaxing. But as I said before, I set myself limits as well. For this type of activity, it is when one of the three self imposed criteria are met: 1 hour, I max out in at least 3 grade one mats or find a set quantity of the mat I am after. There is a fourth, but that again is a personal thing - if I find enough containers to fill my ship I leave when it is full, simple as that.
I will have to submit to you on this one, once I read about what is required, I decided I didn't need to do it. But now I am thinking it might be nice to have that Guardian FSD booster so I will attempt it, but just the once to get that, I have no interest in anything else.
That is assuming you have to have the rank locked ships, that module Engineers to the max, or those special weapons or modules. You can progress the game without them, no where is it specified you have to have them, there is no penalty if you don't have them - except if you PvP and that is solely a personal choice isn't it.
Remember I am not saying there isn't grind, it is how you address the grind that is the issue. For some it grates on them, like running a rasp over there neither regions. For others, it is something to think about and come up with ways to make it less grindy or even enjoyable.
He actually loves ED, otherwise he wouldn't have put 2500 hours into it. He is just not very good at saying it.
I mean, why do that to yourself? Surely after those 250 hours of 'fun' you'd realise fairly soon after that you found it boring? Think of the fun stuff you could have done in those 3 months of grind. I've had periods of boredom with Elite and I just don't play it.
Edit: for maths.
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Complains about slow bug fixes existed way before the console releases.
Quick patches aren't always best idea anyway. Biggest issue about FD not fixing things is they do not do cherry pick back ports. After several point releses they just move on to new branch. Which makes sense all things considered. But it is annoying because some issues will have to wait till next major release.
Beyond is doing new plan with doing four releases a year. Let's hope it sticks.
Which is why normal companies that don't consist of mostly incompetent pencil movers usually patch the PC version, then wait some time to fix all reported issues in it and only AFTER said reported issues have been fixed deploy the now fixed patch version to consoles. Which allows for lightning fast patching and fixing of even trivial bugs such as typos immediately after a bigger content patch. That is - instead of going to the no-QA-dumbo approach of releasing a barely tested patch, then doing a few knee-jerk patches on all platforms and leaving the rest of the bugs, however aggravating or even game-breaking, to fester until the next big release, even if it is six or more months down the line.
True. Why anyone would play something they don't enjoy past 20 hours is beyond me though, let alone 10hr per day for 50 days. I clearly don't understand insanity development.
Agreed.
What would then be completely insane is to repeatedly watch that boring movie over and over and over for 500 hours, then make complaining about the bad film part of your daily life for years.
A sane person says "it was bad" and moves on, perhaps says "if X was changed to Y it might have been better".
verminstar
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The bug I gave an example of is, as far as Im aware, a console specific bug and doesnt appear to affect pc players. What happens is the that when landing on a planet, the camera view in the HUD changes to a distorted point of view that makes deploying the SRV nigh on impossible without logging outta the game entirely and doing a full restart of the console and empty the cache.
In my opinion, any bug that forces one to take such drastic actions to rectify, is the definition of game breaking. Which contradicts yer claim they fix game breaking bugs as first priority...ah so that must be why this bug has persisted fer well over a year now.
Maybe its because its a console bug and doesnt have the same urgency it might have had if it affected everyone...sorta makes ye feel like a second class player doesnt it?
When I say Im waiting fer bugs to be fixed, what I really meant was that Im waiting until that extends to all platforms as it currently doesnt appear to apply. Perhaps it does and Im being overly salty about it...but if so then explain why a gamebreaking bug has persisted fer over a year...and then make the claim they fix all gamebreaking bugs as a priority.
Thats the problem with facts...sometimes they can be damned inconvenient to yer argument no?
Regarding the described bug - I've had this happen to me on PC as well - so, there.
verminstar
Banned
On this we agree...shame however that its been a sticking point that players have been agreeing with fer years...cos communication has been utter tripe fer years. Twice Ive heard them claim they are aware of it and are working to rectify it...nowadays I just resign meself to the fact that they dont care enough to make the effort...
Which in turn means I dont make any effort to be nice to them and judge them on actual results instead. Since last October, their delivery has been somewhat underwhelming in the bug fixing department which means all hopes and dreams have since all but evaporated.
Fear not the wave of salt from me if Q4 doesnt live upto expectations...cos I quite literally wont be here at all, and Im not the sorta person who makes idle threats cos that aint a threat...its a statement of fact cos I know fer a fact I wont care enough to argue after that, whereas I do now...just ^