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Why Elite will always be better than Star Citizen: Gravity - or the lack there of.
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You are aware the skilled SRV flyvers, when using drive assist off, have gotten SRVs to orbit low gravity planets, right?
I have been tempted to try SC, but when I think about the bindings....I turn around. Lol.
I leaned towards Elite because I legitimately trusted David Braben more with my money. He is a legit nerd who has loved this genre from Elite's inception. That being said, while I am a patient man and understand that development takes time, I have not seen much of the original premise accomplished in a cohesive, worthwhile way. I still only want some of the ships from SC and some of the "scale" of those ships. Less cartoon.
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To be fair to physics, it doesn't matter where you are standing/sitting/whatever, gravity is a field, you are in it regardless with everything else around you. You might have the mightiest anti-g suit ever to keep your blood from stagnating in your feet plants, but your bones will still be 9 times heavier, as well as your brain, your heart, lungs, liver, skin, etc....fine for a few seconds/minutes of exposition, not for going mission hunting on foot.
Yes gravity can be a very ugly can of worms for gameplay, honestly I'd be just fine with them handwaving it as with much of the stuff we do in the game already. The secret is in the word "game".
P.S: a human body cannot sustain prolonged exposition to g's higher than 3-5 as mentioned, can tolerate up to 9-10 g's for brief moments (depending on training and body strength), but can indeed survive instantaneous accelerations of several dozens g's. The US military officer that did researches on seatbelts and ejection seats exposed himself to more than 40 g of deceleration on rocket sleds. The F1 car of Romain Grosjean registered a deceleration of 53 g from the orrific crash he jumped away from last Sunday. We just can't weight 4 tons for more than a split second, or our back might have something to say on the matter.
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To be fair to physics, it doesn't matter where you are standing/sitting/whatever, gravity is a field, you are in it regardless with everything else around you. You might have the mightiest anti-g suit ever to keep your blood from stagnating in your feet plants, but your bones will still be 9 times heavier, as well as your brain, your heart, lungs, liver, skin, etc....fine for a few seconds/minutes of exposition, not for going mission hunting on foot.
Yes gravity can be a very ugly can of worms for gameplay, honestly I'd be just fine with them handwaving it as with much of the stuff we do in the game already. The secret is in the word "game".
P.S: a human body cannot sustain prolonged exposition to g's higher than 3-5 as mentioned, can tolerate up to 9-10 g's for brief moments (depending on training and body strength), but can indeed survive instantaneous accelerations of several dozens g's. The US military officer that did researches on seatbelts and ejection seats exposed himself to more than 40 g of deceleration on rocket sleds. The F1 car of Romain Grosjean registered a deceleration of 53 g from the orrific crash he jumped away from last Sunday. We just can't weight 4 tons for more than a split second, or our back might have something to say on the matter.
IIRC according to lore our CMDRs are physically a cut above the humans from the 21st century. They survive higher G-forces (that's why we only blackout when experiencing in excess of 28G, redout at 25G), by genetical engineering and drugs like performance enhancers.
I'd be actually fine with some planets having a gravity that you could not survive - but if you take the 28G blackout levels above that would probably be around 9G anyhow.
I do hope that we will have different effects from gravity apart from how high we can jump. Try aiming a huge railgun at 3G - maybe switch to lighter weapons there. Better make sure you are braced for the kickback of your weapon on low G planets, and don't aim down from a slope.
I couldn't honestly recommend anyone buy into SC unless they're desperately curious, borderline insane and then only at the lowest possible level. I've backed it since 2015, around the same time as I started Elite. It's development is glacial and tortuous, Ci¬G is ridden with gross incompetence at a managerial level, the marketing is both predatory and little more than a borderline fraudulent ponzi scheme...apart from all that, it has it's moments
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Yes.
I'm big on verisimilitude (not precisely the same as realism) and internal consistency. I also like moderately detailed explanations that don't have many holes in them, even if I carefully ponder them for a while. I have no problem with unrealistic mechanisms, just implausible ones.
Our CMDRs are clearly not normal humans and there are several contextually plausible ways they could have been bestowed with their overtly superhuman attributes.
So, I will not find it immersion defying if my CMDR can stand up and walk, with some difficulty, on a 9g planet. However, I will find it very immersion defying if something like anti-gravity fields are introduced to explain this.
Our CMDRs are clearly not normal humans and there are several contextually plausible ways they could have been bestowed with their overtly superhuman attributes.
So, I will not find it immersion defying if my CMDR can stand up and walk, with some difficulty, on a 9g planet. However, I will find it very immersion defying if something like anti-gravity fields are introduced to explain this.
Something suit related I am sure. Made of unobtainium alloys and the like.
Though it would be fun if your suit gets damaged enough that it can't protect you and you implode... But it would have to be well done.
Does that make me psychotic? Has 2020 finally pushed me too far?
As far as we are concerned, the suits of 3300 might as well include a thin layer of synthetic muscle fibers decuplicating the strength of the wearer, while superior genetical modifications make sure that internal tissues can keep bowels from settling around the ankles. After all, a 10 kg Manticore portable autocannon won't holster on itself under a 10 g sky.
People mention these but the only instance i've seen magnetic boots correctly represented was in The Expanse. In Star Citizen the backers claim we have mag boots in ships and non-rotating outposts, but player characters run and jump, and actually move like the Doom Guy... Sorry, but no. Moving with mag boots is a slow and ponderous affair, and one definitely cannot jump with these on (unless they turn both off at the same time in which case they float away).
ED has rotating stations so this problem is avoided there. Low G planets should definitely be a floaty affair, and high G one should probably be no-go zones on foot.
Duclipica...wat? I thing I'll just suspend my disbelief with ignorance. Now about that autocannon...As far as we are concerned, the suits of 3300 might as well include a thin layer of synthetic muscle fibers decuplicating the strength of the wearer, while superior genetical modifications make sure that internal tissues can keep bowels from settling around the ankles. After all, a 10 kg Manticore portable autocannon won't holster on itself under a 10 g sky.
I just mis-read the thread title as "Why Elite will always be better than Star Citizen: Gravy - or the lack there of.". Mmmmm, gravy 
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One of the best discussions in the Expanse... LMAO
Unless FD adds some EVA gameplay outside of your ship or station there is nothing a lack of gravity would provide to enhance gameplay. If your response is "realism" or "muh immersion!" may I remind you of "tele-presence" anf the god like power to project your mind accross the galaxy. FD's opportunity to develop a game with realism in mind sailed some time ago.
Given FD's staggering lack of "new" content (not content added to existing features) over 8 years of development. Perhaps they should stick to the "KISS" principle rather than program enviroments under multiple different states of gravity.
Given FD's staggering lack of "new" content (not content added to existing features) over 8 years of development. Perhaps they should stick to the "KISS" principle rather than program enviroments under multiple different states of gravity.
I was tempted to jump in on the gravity discussion but I fear the un-conditioned people "outside" the SC threadnaut are not used to the scope of my posts plus there have been some excellent insights on the topic right here. Enjoyed reading this very much, thanks to the people who showed an interest in this ^^
As long as it's fun and not too ridiculous I suspend my belief quite generously. I don't usually question stuff in games very much. You need to toss me a reaper humen metal skeleton made from organic goo that somehow conserves the essence of humanity in a robot to make me say "Nollocks" and then I can still say it was a decent game.
ED is believable in how it presents gravity. I can feel it and work with it. I can understand it and know there are limits. That is pretty sufficient, even if it's not realistic.