Maybe we have all been fooled and this game is actually a secret training program for MI6 and CIA agents. 
Why Elite's riddles and story do not work for me
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Thanks a lot man
Just a clarification though please: I know you only mean good but, from this sentence one might think that canonns are some elitist people who think they are better than the others and stuff. And I just want to make clear that they are all a bunch of great guys, eager for exploration and science, and who always respect the basic pillar of Canonn which is to never keep scientific finds for oneself, but instead share them with everyone. Thanks again for your kind words
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Thanks a lot man
Indeed : I was talking about some of the guys who posted in this very thread. I know for a fact the CANONN guys are awesome : I'm part of the group (pretty much inactive though)
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My story: This is my Universe and I'll do what I like when I like and how I like. It is my Universe. Go and find your own. Na Na Nana Na
More is always better, but at the same time don't overlook that there is already constantly more stuff to find with in-game tools, perhaps more than you're aware. I suspect that communicating/finding the kind of challenges you want amidst all the other content/story/noise is part of the problem - it has always been a weakness of Elite. It's better now than it was, but still. There is unfortunately also of course a big limit on how much new/live content FDev can generate for us per week/month/year, and that limited amount gets further divided up across a lot of different player's different interests, so if there are aspects of the game you're less interested in, then there can be dry periods while other players get some attention.
What xdeath got when he found the city was the same thing you get for discovery in the real world - the amazement and shock of the moment, seeing the excitement it generates in others, to have played a part in moving the state of knowledge forward, to have your name immortal in a corner of the history books and among fellow enthusiasts, the respect and recognition of your peers, etc.
You've probably never met that pilot (xdeath), but you know of him (her?) by name and you know what he did and you just causually mentioned their callsign in conversation. To me that's cool!
Do discoveries really feel worthless for you if they don't have a big paycheck or some other instant big payoff attached? There are so many ways to make money in the game.
I guess there's no harm in it - eg maybe a galactic organisation setting up a scholarship that gives a payout each week to pilots who do something particularly noteworthy - but at the same time... if discovery (and puzzle-solving) is not inherently satisfying for it's own sake and for the reasons above, I guess I don't understand why you want to do it so much. I suspect that a monetary payoff wouldn't actually add quite as much satisfaction as it sounds, though it could add some. I doubt people are opposed to big payoffs, but people are rightly wary of munchkinism reward-inflation which can be the result of more need for more payoffs, so leaving discovery to those who seek it for its own sake (and for the glory!) seems fair enough to me. But if enough players participating in activities want money for discovery, I think it'll probably eventually happen.
I have no idea who he is. Every morning I read the last few pages of the Canonn thread to see if there's anything new discovered.
I used the credit reward for finding something new because that is the only reward Elite can give you at this point, other than cargo. But it makes sense that the governments of the galaxy would pay to know the details of this kind of discovery. So there should have been something from the scan.
Yes, there is the awe and wonder of being the first to find something, but it does ring a little hollow to have it not amount to anything. If a real life archaeologist found an ancient city never discovered before there would be all sorts of accolades from every corner of the globe. But xdeath gets his name mentioned in a forum thread, OUTSIDE of the game. If FD insists on these elements being few and far between, discovered by only the most dedicated 0.1% of the community, the least they could do would be to make it fantastic. He should have a base named after him. And a permanent discount at the base. He should have NPC's with "treasure maps" asking for his help with chequebooks in hand.
It should build to something.
I want the game to be more emergent. More interesting. But a lot of people feel that it's fine the way it is. That 50 guys with the time and means should get to find all the new stuff. The rest of get to haul poop. And the crazy part is they're going to barely cover their rent by finding these completely unique discoveries.. I'll be a billionaire.
Most similar thing to this that I found were those messages with some coordinates that lead to some shipwreck. I had fun working the coordinates.
About the big stuff, i've always felt that it's addressed to the "big bang theory" guys among us.
Take that fellow who was able to locate the ruins by triangulating the stars in a still from the guardians trailer. He probably even knew the coordinates on the planet. I mean, come on.
I was genuinely astonished by the show of ingenuity and knowledge though. Makes me wonder how is it possible that our world is so messed up if there are these bright minds around. I guess they are never into politics...
I think too many people here are trying to re-invent the wheel. There is nothing wrong with easter eggs being difficult and requiring specific knowledge and expertise. By all means, hide codes in random noises or whatever. Im not going to solve these as i am as dense as a black hole, but i would love for their easter eggs to get the hell away from my story and event progression. Again, no problem with current mysteries and how they are solved, the problem arises when FDev hitches their entire story arc on a bloody nonogram, spectral audio imaging and cryptography.
Imagine if you would have to do the same thing for a Mass Effect game, to further the story. Dont have advanced AI programming skills? Oh, too bad, guess Quarians will get wiped by Geth. Whats that? You dont have bio-engineering background? Cant finish this Salarian quest line and all Krogans are doomed to die out.
EDIT: Apparently consciously choosing non-offensive swear words constitutes as "purposeful evasion of the swear filter". I should be getting some rep for that, not a damn warning from the bored admins. Seriously, what has this world come to.
Imagine if you would have to do the same thing for a Mass Effect game, to further the story. Dont have advanced AI programming skills? Oh, too bad, guess Quarians will get wiped by Geth. Whats that? You dont have bio-engineering background? Cant finish this Salarian quest line and all Krogans are doomed to die out.
EDIT: Apparently consciously choosing non-offensive swear words constitutes as "purposeful evasion of the swear filter". I should be getting some rep for that, not a damn warning from the bored admins. Seriously, what has this world come to.
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90% of all fish are caught by 10% of all the fishermen!
Yes, but not on the land far away from the sea that everyone else "fishes" in
To be fair there seems to be a bit of a run on "discovering things" by a few more commanders; so if anyone does want to get involved IN GAME
"For those looking to hunt these beacons: I have no easy answers. From the above data, we can conclude that presence of a Herald: article at stations in a system is not a guarantee that there is a numbers beacon in the system, and neither is the opposite true. So here is my general advice to all Canonn members, and this is intended to be passed-on to explorers and player groups of all stripes:
1) Keep your "Points of Interest" filter on in your navigation computer, and keep an eye out for any more "Unregistered Comms Beacon" PoIs. If you find one, report it to Canonn, and if you have the time and are willing to wait, sit at the beacon and wait for a transmission. Be sure to have some way of transcribing the message, or be recording audio. Preferably both. (Video is useful as a "just in case" but given the very long listening times, audio is more practical.) Please check the Trello board's Numbers Beacons list to see examples of what data is being collected.
2) Unregistered Comms Beacons will only be visible on your nav computer within 1,000Ls of your current position. So far, all of them have been found orbiting planets and moons.
While at stations, check news articles for an article with a title in the format of "The <system name> Herald:". This will likely contain ciphertext in NATO phonetic code. Record this and report it to Canonn for verification and key cipher testing. Same advice about checking the board to see what data is being collected applies.
3) Data is being actively collected, verified, collated, and passed through hamster-wheel-computers on the #chat_science channel of Canonn's Discord server. Please drop us a line there, as well as here in the threadnaught, should you find anything more of value.
That's why I love video games : the devs can print as many fishes as they wish.
If they want to.
Yes, but not on the land far away from the sea that everyone else "fishes" in
To be fair there seems to be a bit of a run on "discovering things" by a few more commanders; so if anyone does want to get involved IN GAME
"For those looking to hunt these beacons: I have no easy answers. From the above data, we can conclude that presence of a Herald: article at stations in a system is not a guarantee that there is a numbers beacon in the system, and neither is the opposite true. So here is my general advice to all Canonn members, and this is intended to be passed-on to explorers and player groups of all stripes:
1) Keep your "Points of Interest" filter on in your navigation computer, and keep an eye out for any more "Unregistered Comms Beacon" PoIs. If you find one, report it to Canonn, and if you have the time and are willing to wait, sit at the beacon and wait for a transmission. Be sure to have some way of transcribing the message, or be recording audio. Preferably both. (Video is useful as a "just in case" but given the very long listening times, audio is more practical.) Please check the Trello board's Numbers Beacons list to see examples of what data is being collected.
2) Unregistered Comms Beacons will only be visible on your nav computer within 1,000Ls of your current position. So far, all of them have been found orbiting planets and moons.
While at stations, check news articles for an article with a title in the format of "The <system name> Herald:". This will likely contain ciphertext in NATO phonetic code. Record this and report it to Canonn for verification and key cipher testing. Same advice about checking the board to see what data is being collected applies.
3) Data is being actively collected, verified, collated, and passed through hamster-wheel-computers on the #chat_science channel of Canonn's Discord server. Please drop us a line there, as well as here in the threadnaught, should you find anything more of value.
Thanks for the info Ben I know you are posting it with the best of intentions however, can you or another member of Cannon explain to me why I should have to notify Cannon of the discovery as opposed to making a thread in the forums to discuss the finding which everyone will be able to see and take part in as opposed to it becoming just another post in the threadnaught?
As said by my self and others, the threadnaught is in no way new player friendly and is in itself a barrier to getting involved. It also just does not work for some of us trying to get into the mysteries hence the above question. I don't want to take away from the work already done by players in the threadnaught but rather make it easier for others to get involved and yes I know all the info can be found on the front page in an upside down manner which is fine for those who are up to date but to be honest for me it's like reading the last page of a book before the first.
EDIT: Which brings us to where we are in this thread trying to discuss how to make the mysteries more inclusive and stop so much third party software having to be used so players who bought the game to play it can, without having to alt-tab and use google more then the game. This is also to help the Xboxers get more involved and not be shoved to one side through lack of available tools.
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As a side note, I hear that FD could give a subforum of its own to the mega thread & other mysteries related thread. If this is true, I think it is a good thing, even if the problem at hand in this thread is much larger in scope than just BB Forums organisation.
Oh no !, I'm being called a member of Canonn - there's no hope for me. Now, anyone know where can I get a good deal on aluminium headwear?
Seriously though, it was a rushed cut and paste from the mysteries thread before I had to head off to a meeting - but was trying to make the point there is in game stuff for in game people to find, now, today. Which is kinda what I've been complaining about so thought I'd better put my money where my mouth is.
'course you don't need to report it anywhere if you don't want to.
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I understand that. Predicting how people will react to obvious situations is not fortune telling. Come up with some good examples of the kind of interactive game-play you want, in a realistic manner and how they would be implemented.
Bear in mind with suggestions that this is ED and there is never going to be a full 'single player story' in the manner of a game which takes <100 hours to complete. As a CMDR in ED you are never going to feel that the universe revolves around you, or that you are more important than other commanders.
It seems that a lot of players do want some kind of mini-game extra mechancis extra scanny thing, though. That's the overwhelming feeling I get from this thread (along side that apparently every puzzle ever comes down to cryptography... /rolleyes ). I think the modest proposals viable, but I suspect that based on the contents of the thread, it would be met with the feeling that such a solution would meet with choruses of dissatisfaction. It's a solution for perhaps the 10%, but not the 99%.
I feel that it would be stepping into the realm of making this thread useful and interesting. Some actual solid ideas. Because complaint without solution is pointless.
No, but you have bothered to put some thought in and offered a solution.
I was actually aiming at everyone. I'm kind of tired of hearing "People like you... nerdy FD favourites (notice me sempai!)... too hard ... want interaction want story FD suck moan moan cryptography I've done zip all but I feel excluded" because it's just not constructive. People are happy to complain about the status quo, without offering much of a way of a resolution.
Let's hear people's solid ideas. Beginning. Middle. End. Implementation.
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What's the point? You're intractably desiring something this game will never offer and vocally complaining about it. Not good for karma, man. Wouldn't it be better to instead of saying "Stuff the Solo players; I don't care: I would do it the way I want and stuff the rest", to actually come up with some solutions that are more inclusive and might be implemented?
Counter: Mass Effect is a single player story-focused game. ED will not falter in its storyline if one player lacks a capability in the same manner of a single player mode. The player's capabilities are not a potential weak link which could stop the story progressing. FD relies on crowdsourcing a community.
Oh don't worry, Elite's done a great job making us feel like the bus driver. We know.
Well, yes. The 'alien' stuff is blatently going to form part of a major point release (2.4 maybe). It isn't ready yet in full, and there won't be alien battles until that release. In the meantime we have the prequel to war/peaceful encounters. I'm not sure why we would expect FD to roll out a potential full-scale invasion as something 'free' and between releases.
Mostly wishful thinking, probably.