Why is player system chat visible in solo?

Hi there,

System-wide chat has only ever existed as mode-agnostic and was added in Beyond - Chapter 4 at the end of 2018; alongside the other non-direct chat modes which extended outside of your current instance (e.g. squadron chat) and the ability to split chat types into tabs.

Previously you had local chat with players in your instance (e.g. that you could see around the starport that you were visiting), wing chat and private messages; which were all displayed in a single panel.

Thanks,
Dom

Thank you to Dom for posting
 
c) I can live just fine with current status quo, but would also prefer a filter allowing chat from modes we don’t want instead of the non-ideal tabbed or hide workaround. This would hurt nobody except those that feel somehow less for having their mode chat suppressed in players games who specifically choose to not play in their mode.
This is what should solve your issue.
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This is what should solve your issue.
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read my original and follow up relies more closely - I already stated both tabbed and hidden solve the core issue, but each has a minor downside to it as well. keyword minor, but also keyword exists.

tabbed works, but doesn't prevent a different kind of spam popping up in UI while - the "X new messages" popup. In low activity systems, it is less minor, in high activity systems, it is basically constant popup. So tabbed removes player chat spam, problem solved yes, but minor side effect - additional kind of popup spam.

hidden works, but also has minor side effect of hiding the non-player chat, system channel messages like - entering XXXX system chat. I noted it as minor because I can see system name in other UI locations, but in non high spam chat locations, I like seeing it here at eye level without taking eyes off flight path. Did I say it was a big loss, nope. Did I say it was a minor side effect, yep.

hence the solution I asked for - an additional simple filter allowing us to choose whether any non-direct, general player chat is received at all. This hurts you how? Oh right, forgot - there are always some players who feel somehow less when other players choose to not engage with them. PVP, their profanity laced chat spams, etc.

Have you seen some of the racist, most vile messages players are just spewing into general system chat? I was going to let this go, but given the replies here where some seem so righteously outraged that someone would merely ask for an additional filter, I'll go ahead and file it as a bug request, quoting the dev that replied, that this current chat system leads to a Fdev sanction, FD approved hostile environment that promotes and condones hostility, racism, and whatever other garbage players want to force those who want to keep system chat enabled in SOLO and chooses to play in SOLO away from that hostility.

I own shares of FDEV stock, not a lot, but all you need is (1) share to attend a shareholder meeting, presumably remote now that covid exists, but they can't outright cancel some form of annual meeting. Want to see how fast and how far FDEV's ~1850 stock price falls when a shareholder raises to the press the white privilege condoned, hostile environment and racism of oppressing a gamer minority? Just remember it's the tone and attitude of this thread that pushed me here, not my 1st choice.
 
Have you seen some of the racist, most vile messages players are just spewing into general system chat? I was going to let this go, but given the replies here where some seem so righteously outraged that someone would merely ask for an additional filter, I'll go ahead and file it as a bug request, quoting the dev that replied, that this current chat system leads to a Fdev sanction, FD approved hostile environment that promotes and condones hostility, racism, and whatever other garbage players want to force those who want to keep system chat enabled in SOLO and chooses to play in SOLO away from that hostility.

I own shares of FDEV stock, not a lot, but all you need is (1) share to attend a shareholder meeting, presumably remote now that covid exists, but they can't outright cancel some form of annual meeting. Want to see how fast and how far FDEV's ~1850 stock price falls when a shareholder raises to the press the white privilege condoned, hostile environment and racism of oppressing a gamer minority? Just remember it's the tone and attitude of this thread that pushed me here, not my 1st choice.
Just report it in game, mute system and move on. No need to get salty about it here. FDev do take action
 
I'm way out in the black still so can't really test this, but dose turning off the system chat also turn off the NPC system chatter, or is there any and they actually talk on a different channel?

Thanks.
 
A private group with only you in it is the same thing.

Like I said no need for solo. It's still connected to the online server, just like a private group of your own with just you in it.

Solo mode does not have the same associations that group mode has. The networking code for instance is not there. Which results in lower latency interactions especially in higher traffic circumstances. There are other factors as well. Just because you are not aware of the reasons, does not mean there is an absence of reason to have it in the game.

Solo, is simply Solo. It isn't the same as private group. It also alleviates confusion for new players. Someone wanting to just play by themselves would not look for "private group" as a new player.

Personally, I see zero reason for open play. But I don't try to force my opinions of that onto other players. Everyone is welcome to play in open play if they want to. But I won't. I spend most of my time in solo. I occasionally play in group mode. I have seen plenty of bugs in group mode. A lot less in solo.
 
I'm way out in the black still so can't really test this, but dose turning off the system chat also turn off the NPC system chatter, or is there any and they actually talk on a different channel?

Thanks.
No it does not turn off the system chatter. I have the system chat hidden. Still get the rest.
 
by this logic, wouldn‘t Open then just be a Private Group with all players in it?

get rid of Open and have everyone who wants multiplayer join the MP PG.

This isn’t btw my cup of tea but since you’re calling for abolish solo and make former 1-click go login solo players have to setup and multi click PG login, your same logic that open is just a big PG would be ok for abolishing Open.

Being an anti-open player myself. I understand this idea. But the real problem here is that Private Groups cap out at 20k membership. There are a lot more than 20k out there and Open allows for random pooling of anyone in open at a given time in a system. No requirement to join a group or find an active pool. Just press open play and go. Just like the rest of us who prefer the simple nature of solo and go.
 
Being an anti-open player myself. I understand this idea. But the real problem here is that Private Groups cap out at 20k membership. There are a lot more than 20k out there and Open allows for random pooling of anyone in open at a given time in a system. No requirement to join a group or find an active pool. Just press open play and go. Just like the rest of us who prefer the simple nature of solo and go.
The real problem is new players have no idea about groups or PvP or PvE (mostly) and wouldn't know where to go to find other ships.

Solo exists (for me) so that my friends don't see "in private group" while they weren't invited to play. I have a private group as do many here, but having Solo is just a quick entry to the game without needing to set up a group at all. It doesn't affect anyone not using it (BGS and carriers now not withstanding)
 
The real problem is new players have no idea about groups or PvP or PvE (mostly) and wouldn't know where to go to find other ships.

Solo exists (for me) so that my friends don't see "in private group" while they weren't invited to play. I have a private group as do many here, but having Solo is just a quick entry to the game without needing to set up a group at all. It doesn't affect anyone not using it (BGS and carriers now not withstanding)
I mostly agree. Although I have gotten to see a lot of new players come into the game because of Twitch lately too. There are some really fun streamers making content. At least the people I have seen, have asked questions before buying. They also asked for information before hand in Twitch. So they have had opportunity to learn. Youtube is another great source. An educated buyer is more likely to be happy with what they got.
 
I have mixed feelings about system chat. Sometimes I really like it, but ultimately it breaks my immersion if I'm trying to take the game seriously, as it's basically an FLT & Multiverse Communicator. The good news is you can hide it. The bad news is that even hidden your journal file can fill up with an insane amount of sometimes terrible system chat depending on where you are.


Your mod is the ultimate immersion fixer for me when I'm in a busy carrier systems. HUD is immediately turned off, no more silly carrier names everywhere, then carrier names turned off in the nav panel, system chat is always off. Orrery map ON so I can at least navigate around the systems without looking at a complete mess.

Still got that donation for you btw
 
Hi there,

System-wide chat has only ever existed as mode-agnostic and was added in Beyond - Chapter 4 at the end of 2018; alongside the other non-direct chat modes which extended outside of your current instance (e.g. squadron chat) and the ability to split chat types into tabs.

Previously you had local chat with players in your instance (e.g. that you could see around the starport that you were visiting), wing chat and private messages; which were all displayed in a single panel.

Thanks,
Dom

This is utter pseudo-drivel. You are simply stating a fact, not WHY you have implemented the system, which is what OP was asking. Is this really too hard?
 

Dominic Corner

Mostly Harmless Programmer
Frontier
This is utter pseudo-drivel. You are simply stating a fact, not WHY you have implemented the system, which is what OP was asking. Is this really too hard?
Hi there,

I was not replying to the original post, I was correcting an incorrect assertion vis-a-vis System chat having previously been in the main tab. It was not. It never existed in any form other than as it is now.

As to why it is cross-mode? Because that is how it was designed... System chat is a chat channel that operates across all modes for all players within that system (separated by platform).

Thanks,
Dom
 
Not here to argue any point one way or the other, just to say how good it is to see a Dev dropping in (twice!), to contribute with concise information.

Glad to see you here Dominic :)

edit - tiny brain, can't multi-task (Dominic, not dan :/ )
 
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Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
that this current chat system leads to a Fdev sanction, FD approved hostile environment ...
Just remember it's the tone and attitude of this thread that pushed me here, not my 1st choice.
Now I think that you want to be very careful about the words that you are using here. Sure system chat can be annoying, and I wasn't a fan when it was added, but your reply to Dom with your a, b and c points is incorrect. Before System Chat was added there was no way of communicating with people in the same mode in the same system, unless they were in your instance. If what you wanted in the first place was a filter, then create a suggestion for it, but don't change tack halfway through and then try to throw it back at those answering your original point.

Then you have suddenly flown right off the handle and are somehow blaming this thread for that? The last two paragraphs are, in my opinion, completely uncalled for! Are you seriously suggesting that because of something that someone writes into a chat in an online game that the company who makes that game are sanctioning and advocating it?
Have you ever played any other MMOs? Are you saying that when someone kicks off in world chat that somehow Bethesda, Blizzard, SSG or whoever are complicit in it? And worse than that, that they actually condone it?

I think you need to think about what you've written and then decide whether you should delete it, or if you are actually going to somehow try and defend those comments, which I think are disgraceful! There is a report feature in game. Use it!
 
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