Yeah the server stability is kinda pathetic, its been getting "slightly" better with every patch but they need to really focus on the problems with connectivity and swat them.
Why mutlicrew should not give two extra pips.
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Yeah the server stability is kinda pathetic, its been getting "slightly" better with every patch but they need to really focus on the problems with connectivity and swat them.
So when folks simply log in with their second account/CMDR to do nothing more than put a quite literally idle bum on a seat just to get free pips and CRs, that good mechanics how?
We know it's an abstraction, but IMO it's an unnecessary one, at least for players.
no, its not a representation of what the crew members do. its a clear 16.5% power distribution buff per seat. the human body simply does not just make the ship produce 3MJ/s of extra power by sitting in a seat or by fiddling with controls. either the ship has the hardware or it doesnt. wether or not a crew member is warming a seat should not magically affect the average power output.
True, but they don't have the same everything. One of them has additional crew members.
Sure they do. Pit a rally car with just a driver in it against a rally car with a driver and a co-driver in it and see who comes out on top.
What workload? There isn't any workload to be shared, hence the extra pips. What other possible benefit could additional crew provide that doesn't boil down to a straight up buff?
Could be pitched as a balance issue. More likely FD know their netcode and infrastructure couldn't provide a reliable enough experience for 4x4 players in a single instance.
I used to fly as my own "fleet" in Eve online with multiple accounts. You pay your money and make your choice. Pay to win? Possibly, but then non horizons players are already on the pointy end of that particularly well engineered stick anyway.
What should it do then?
Creating a gravitational field strong enough to compress space time directly in front of your ship would compress your ship too. Should we immediately destruct when we engage the frameshift drive or should we just let that fly because it's a video game?
The mechanics of the game aren't complex enough to warrant more than one human in any ship at any time, unless you just want 3 turret gunners. I can't really see what else they could have done with it tbh.
first, a rally car with a co-driver has no advantage as having a backseat driver does nothing but distract an actual driver. So it would actually be a detriment, not a benefit.
- Next, it's very easy to think of benefits that aren't straight up buffs. The gunner for instance has the ability to prioritize targets and actually hit them; hitting being something vanilla game turrets are not capable of.
-I agree, it could very well be that they know their coding isn't good enough. I mean they have monumental issues with just 2 people instancing properly as it is.
-paying for another account just for those 2 pips would be exactly pay to win, and in my own opinion bloody and a waste of money.
-What is should do would be individualistic but for me you have shield,weapon, thruster, and power management that should be shared between the players. Example: someone on systems would controle how the sys energy is used, either to make the shield tougher or recharge it faster or maybe give it a specific resistance. That alone would be infinitely better than the lazy cop-out they're proposing.
-as for you last point, see my previous. Fact is that just administering additional magical power out of nowhere is the bare minimum of effort here. There are many ways it can be improved, one of which I stated above. What we have here required no thought beyond "we should put in multicrew" and it shows.
- Next, it's very easy to think of benefits that aren't straight up buffs. The gunner for instance has the ability to prioritize targets and actually hit them; hitting being something vanilla game turrets are not capable of.
-I agree, it could very well be that they know their coding isn't good enough. I mean they have monumental issues with just 2 people instancing properly as it is.
-paying for another account just for those 2 pips would be exactly pay to win, and in my own opinion bloody and a waste of money.
-What is should do would be individualistic but for me you have shield,weapon, thruster, and power management that should be shared between the players. Example: someone on systems would controle how the sys energy is used, either to make the shield tougher or recharge it faster or maybe give it a specific resistance. That alone would be infinitely better than the lazy cop-out they're proposing.
-as for you last point, see my previous. Fact is that just administering additional magical power out of nowhere is the bare minimum of effort here. There are many ways it can be improved, one of which I stated above. What we have here required no thought beyond "we should put in multicrew" and it shows.
It really is a shame. For as much as I about it myself I really would like to see the game improve and become good; But for whatever the reasons are....
it's not QQ if its obviously game breaking.
It has to be apparent that it not 'obviously game breaking'. Some opinion, even before testing it, does not equate to any thing obvious. As to game breaking, that too hes yet to be seen. You are just telling us all that the sky is falling, I hope you remember how that turned out.
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Generally agree; it's a daft idea.
FD missed a trick here. Not that this is news to anyone outside of FD. Any ship benefit incurred through mulitcrew should have to be earned through in-game activities, i.e., skill, rather than bestowed by mere (tele)presence.
Let's be honest, the FD game designers have a pretty high frequency rate of daft ideas so I'm not at all surprised multicrew is turning out to be another fumble around the edges of what might have been.
The only upside to take away from this is that it's only 'a start'. Mined ewe, I look at RNGineers, the abortive PP, and the nigh on all consuming obsession with pew-pew and I have to say that my expectations for multicrew aren't high anymore.
FD missed a trick here. Not that this is news to anyone outside of FD. Any ship benefit incurred through mulitcrew should have to be earned through in-game activities, i.e., skill, rather than bestowed by mere (tele)presence.
Let's be honest, the FD game designers have a pretty high frequency rate of daft ideas so I'm not at all surprised multicrew is turning out to be another fumble around the edges of what might have been.
The only upside to take away from this is that it's only 'a start'. Mined ewe, I look at RNGineers, the abortive PP, and the nigh on all consuming obsession with pew-pew and I have to say that my expectations for multicrew aren't high anymore.
Having 2 extra pilots in there own ships has got to be better than having 2 extra pips? Mabe there are extra controls in the ship that the helm doesnt have access to that alow you to optimise power buy re routing auxiliary power. As long as it tells you that its a crewed ship and you cant have crew spawn in during a fight i dont see it as a problem. Its just a nother flavor of wings no?
Frontier obviously changed their policy... Solo player should not play in onpen any more... If you want to play solo go to the solo mode and stay away of open until you have at last two friends with you... btw you got a pip per friend so if you are in two seater you got only one extra...
This. Your friend benefits from extra pips and you benefit from extra credits. There is no downside to going AFK in the current multicrew scenario. I suspect a lot of pilots will see AFK player crew members.
+1
Multicrew should require active participation to "squeeze" every bit of potential out of a ship. Extra power for hosting an AFK crew is just dumb.
You have to be kidding, more heat issues??
Yes! Every multicrew role should come with its own minigame that can benefit or hinder the whole.
