But I don't want to know it and I'm not convince it's "reason".
Why no 3rd person?
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But I don't want to know it and I'm not convince it's "reason".
I just hate it when people are saying 3rd person view doesn't belong in Elite Dangerous, like that's a valid argument.
If it gives an advantage or not is a valid argument but also the *only* argument. And given how little impact a 3rd person view would have on the actual gameplay, other than giving the player the realisation that "this is the ship I fly", I just can't understand the reasons why not having it.
And what the heck... Flyby cam is OK?? Like some sort of replay camera?? Give me a break... Pls.
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The debug camera exists today. Does that gives people advantages? Does it ruin the immersion? Does it even bothers you? Who knows, you might've used it even. And who knows, being able to steer while in debug cam mode would even be cool!
But please, don't make comparisons to other games, especially not games that are not even close to Elite Dangerous like hardcore flight sims or war sims.
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I'm pretty much done here.
All I want is to be able to see my ship from behind or whatever, while steering the damned thing, and I would be very happy if we wouldn't be able to use any functions (like weapons) other than basic controls.
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Fly safe commanders! o7
I agree, it has nothing to do with "not belonging in elite" It has everything to do with PvP combat. As I said many times, they could make it a full 3rd person in SOLO but NOT in OPEN. So I really don't see the issue here. Disable it in OPEN and make it possible in SOLO.
Its a win win situation.
"I desire it, therefore it should be included" is a valid argument and I understand the desire.
Age and bit of wisdom has taught me that adding 3rd person to a 1st person design changes everything about a game. Yes, even a flight simulator. It may garner more revenues, but at the cost of game play.
Everyone is free to disregard that wisdom. In fact, I expect it.
Wisdom rarely triumphs over "I want it. I want it now. Why can't I have it? Give me what I want."
Wisdom just can't cut through that kind of self gratification.
Age and bit of wisdom has taught me that adding 3rd person to a 1st person design changes everything about a game. Yes, even a flight simulator. It may garner more revenues, but at the cost of game play.
Everyone is free to disregard that wisdom. In fact, I expect it.
Wisdom rarely triumphs over "I want it. I want it now. Why can't I have it? Give me what I want."
Wisdom just can't cut through that kind of self gratification.
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there's nothng realistic about this game, it's all fantasy.
You really didn't think this one through, did you? Here, let me help you out with this image and see if you can work it out
https://thecakeisaliegaming.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenshot_0039.jpg
I can't, please tell me.
Or did you miss "everyone" ?
I'm not a fan of 3rd person view in ED either. But, I have been asking for many many moons, for a rear facing camera (like what we have in Earth vehicles) and a downward facing camera to see below the ship (for landing and scanning planet surfaces). The idea would be to have a window pop up somewhere along the edge of the screen when activated.
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The current external camera droid (or whatever you call it) works for my purposes of shooting screenies of my ships and the stations and planets I'm flying around. I don't mind there being a 3rd person view for others but I would rather have the camera views (more RL imho).
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The current external camera droid (or whatever you call it) works for my purposes of shooting screenies of my ships and the stations and planets I'm flying around. I don't mind there being a 3rd person view for others but I would rather have the camera views (more RL imho).
Could you clarify to the entire player base what qualifies you to speak for everyone here?
You do have a compelling argument though so guys??? GUYS!!!!!???????????? it's over, he's won! He used the "Because I said so" argument but added in "real life pilots he knows" so we can all go home now!!!
Guys...??
I don't believe for a second he knows any RL pilots
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Oh look another one. Care to explain how your opinion means anything?
Well that's your problem. You don't even know my position but you are sure that you disagree with it. Interestingly this could mean that you are disagreeing with yourself. Your first comment was that you are not going to read the posts in this thread, then you continued that every argument in this thread is useless because "it already got destroyed by people with a better understanding of things". Do you really think your arrogance deserves anything more than a one liner?
Many games have tried this split, and it does not work. Everything invariably devolves into 3rd person OR everyone is angry that they have to give up their beloved 3rd person to play PvP.
We are talking about 16 years off gaming history that shows this, more history than that if you include early PC flight games like Tie Fighter.
No, if it gives an advantage in PvP then you can also kill NPC faster and with this proposal solo would give an advantage to players wanting to influence the BGS.
Well you didn't even read it (according to yourself...).
What a cop out and you're not getting away that easily. You come into a thread, start making bad arguments for keeping things from the majority of the player base that wants it and then say, "It's only the internetz"
Oh, so you weren't trying to ruin the fun of thousands of other people then and don't have an argument to make? You just thought you'd like to ruin things for other people?
Wow, that's nice of you and I'll add you to my ignore list since you can't even respond with a robust argument.
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ok.
For one thing, there's no third person view in the world that's going to show every gun pointing at you so from the start, you made a strawman,
Second, look in the bottom left of the cockpit - it shows the targeted ship and how it's facing.
Third, look in the main pic, the ship is tiny. Do you know how I worked out which way it was facing because it was too small to see? See 2 above - this means in a 3rd person view, is every ship going to be perfectly visible and large enough to see where they're pointing.
Fourthly, whilst you're gathering all this intel, you'll be dead before you can use it as other better pilots use the ships systems to pinpoint you and blow you into tiny pieces.
oh and fifthly, why are u interested in knowing where every gun is pointed? What bonus is that going to give you considering your in empty space?
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This (admittedly very old poll) doesn't look like the majority of players want 3rd person combat:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/12464-External-View-A-definitive-discussion
PS yes, I know polls are useless, but so are "the majority of players want that" arguments...
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1/ wrong, there is, just use a track-IR and a triple screen and you'll understand
2/ I don't care about this ship, it's in front of me, not that far away, I know where it's facing, it's the one behind that's important.
3/ nop, see above but it's easier live than on a picture as you have the previous movement to help you.
4/ again, try a track-IR.
I just hate it when people are saying 3rd person view doesn't belong in Elite Dangerous, like that's a valid argument.
If it gives an advantage or not is a valid argument but also the *only* argument. And given how little impact a 3rd person view would have on the actual gameplay, other than giving the player the realisation that "this is the ship I fly", I just can't understand the reasons why not having it.
And what the heck... Flyby cam is OK?? Like some sort of replay camera?? Give me a break... Pls.
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The debug camera exists today. Does that gives people advantages? Does it ruin the immersion? Does it even bothers you? Who knows, you might've used it even. And who knows, being able to steer while in debug cam mode would even be cool!
But please, don't make comparisons to other games, especially not games that are not even close to Elite Dangerous like hardcore flight sims or war sims.
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I'm pretty much done here.
All I want is to be able to see my ship from behind or whatever, while steering the damned thing, and I would be very happy if we wouldn't be able to use any functions (like weapons) other than basic controls.
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Fly safe commanders! o7
So, what we're really talking about here is an improved De-bug Camera. I don;t see an issue with offering a way to create images and videos more easily, and more engaging.
I do, however, see room for the "it doesn't belong in Elite" argument. There are a number of common, and oft' requested changes to Elites game play model I feel would just cheapen and destroy what I see as the Elite experience. Opinion, I know, but all of this is.
I hate the argument 'if you don;t like it, go play another game'. It is absolutist, and dismissive. Rather, I'd like to suggest that E|D doesn't need to offer every feature you can find in almost every other game. I have an ongoing concern in STO. I like STO for what it is, and I am very happy that E|D is nothing like STO. If it were, why would I play one, over the other at any given moment? E|D offers it's own brand of gaming, and we should embrace that rather than call for homogenization.
Omitted features/abilities are just as telling as those that are included in a game. The character, pace, and atmosphere of a game are just as, and maybe more, important as it's feature set. Sometimes those limitations are part of the very challenge of the game. That's what I think the 1st person perspective is to E|D. Using the 1stP perspective creates much of the challenge involved with mundane flight, not to mention combat. I argue that being able to switch to 3rdP would cheapen and homogenize the entire E|D experience.
I am all for an improved De-Bug Camera. Up to and including having flight controls while in that mode, but it should have serious restriction on when and how it can be used. It should be excluded for landing, entering/exiting stations, using the in-ship info panels, and combat. Let there be a way to make intricate video scenes, but general game play should remain in the 1stP to maintain the character of E|D game play.
I went back.
Your first post is nonsense, 95% of all games are made from a fixed POV? Really? Does Candy Crush need a first person view?
You then shout how it's never going to happen as the devs said so and then you quote the devs saying they might put it in. I'm not going to continue.
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So now you're misrepresenting the argument are you?
Who's talking about combat here?
Name me one game that has more than one camera view and I name you ten that don't.
You didn't understand my point. What I tried to say is that arguments about sim, advantages and realism are pretty useless because they are not the reason FDEV didn't include 3rd person combat. What I did though was suggesting to improve the 3rd person camera.
PS I also tried to say that this issue should be relevant to both sides of the argument.
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