Why Not Play Another Game?

[Stigbob]

Sorry about that i stand corrected then. It was the only thing i could think of after reading this:

I personally don't think its healthy at all to expect a company to satisfy addictive personalities. Game companies making addictive mechanics are nearly always for nefarious purposes, it left the art of game making a long time ago.

I don't want to leave you without a suggestion, so put it this way, elite can be neverending, but you need to have the intention of making it up as you go along, your own self. Just stop wishing content that is not in the game is in the game (until it actually is, who knows what those secret 2 content items this year will bring). Or is possible to not be frustrated and actually have a really good time if you just change what you do. We cant make elite as players, so thats it really.

Yep, play the game as is. Start playing the "potential" and you'll be disappointed.

 

[Witcher 7]

I don't base game purchases on "visions". I base them on what the game actually is at the time I buy it.

Ditto, except this game was funded by Kickstarters before they had anything to see, try or even read game reviews. They funded the game based on FDev's promises of what it will be like - not dissimilar to investors investing in IPOs.

Also, ED is a sandbox game hence players who bought the game before Horizons season pass was released paid Horizons expecting it to release "real" expansions like other game expansions - i.e., more content and new features, etc. Welp, they got a unique Cobra IV, Black Friday and maybe a gold paint for all ships that newer players cannot buy but hey I haven't seen any CMDRs fly a Cobra IV

 

[Quantis Trap]

Yeah, they spend all that whoppin' 1.5 million quid on other stuff. Sometimes its like people such as blackcompany believe the KS brought them a gazillion dollars...

I agree with this. I've spent more money than most on this game (1 lifetime, 4 horizons, 1 base + extras), but don't feel I've had any money stolen from me. It's not like I bought one expensive ship in a game which started at the same time, but is still in alpha.

No Man's Sky post the 1.38 update/DLC is pretty fun now. I've put over 1000 hours into it myself.

Unlike ED, it has a lot of the game mechanics missing from ED, including base building, atmospheric planets, flora and fauna and some other stuff worth pursuing.

When the Atlas Rises update came out I literally spent 3 months away from ED playing NMS instead. Definitely worth giving a second chance, and there was recently announced the biggest update in the game's history on the way this summer. (NMS Next)

Subnautica is another fun game. Not space based, but similar underwater exploration focused gameplay.

I have both of those and they are both very good in their own ways. If people think ED is grindy they should try NMS. Only played a few hours Subnautica, so I can't give a good opinion yet.

I've started playing EVE again and am enjoying it effective and sane CnP system and all, and as a bonus PLEX is only 3 million isk these days or 5 bucks per.

Can't get into the subscription games.

Just to complete your list, OP:



- Evochron Legacy, first person, VR-ready, Elite-ish project with an actual space flight model, planetary landings, station builder, online, etc. Maintained by a very ambitious guy who dues this since ages (it's love, not a job). Also has its flaws, gfx is not that jaw dropping of course. Still worth a try.

- Hellion. Still very buggy, but so cool in many aspects. Very different from Elite, but already has space legs, station construction (with manual docking of parts, very cool), but also some 1st person pew pew.

I believe Evochron Legacy, though not an exact match by any means, would be closest competition to Elite Dangerous for my time. If there was one game I like the guys at Frontier to study, it would be this game. The graphics on this game are largely not as good, but then again, the ship explosions are awesome.

I haven't play Hellion yet, but I've been watching it closely.

 

[Stigbob]

Ditto, except this game was funded by Kickstarters before they had anything to see, try or even read game reviews. They funded the game based on FDev's promises of what it will be like - not dissimilar to investors investing in IPOs.

All kickstarters are a gamble, you have to base your expectations on that for them. I waited for ED to have a playable demo before trying it liking it and backing at gamma.

Also, ED is a sandbox game hence players who bought the game before Horizons season pass was released paid Horizons expecting it to release "real" expansions like other game expansions - i.e., more content and new features, etc. Welp, they got a unique Cobra IV, Black Friday and maybe a gold paint for all ships that newer players cannot buy but hey I haven't seen any CMDRs fly a Cobra IV

I liked horizons, loads of new stuff and my black ships are supercool. The cobra IV really should be released to everyone, it's not exactly a gamechanger and it messes with the ship collectors.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Welp, they got a unique Cobra IV, Black Friday and maybe a gold paint for all ships that newer players cannot buy but hey I haven't seen any CMDRs fly a Cobra IV

One of my accounts was from the kickstarter, these benefits are actually quite satisfying... the black paint jobs and the gold asp skin is very cool to have, especially compared to an account that doesn't. You wouldn't give it back put it that way.

Also the cobra mk4 adds a new gameplay scenario that simply isn't possible without it. You can actually outfit yourself as you would in an endgame ship but still be in a small personal craft. Its one of the best ships in the game once you've been though it all.

Yeah the lifetime expansions part is still interesting. In my armchair, the only thing that could explain why beyond wasn't paid is they're making so much money out of the cosmetics store that losing the microtransactions from the people who drop off would be greater than the money they make from new dlc sales from everyone. Given that, it also makes you wonder what the paid updates (free to lifetime) will be this year if they still dont want to lock people out... Pretty excited to find out actually because it needs to be better than the patches to earn a dedicated fee but is also separate from the underlying (?).

 

[Pyrotiger]

TL;DR - There are no other modern space games when it comes to wanting something like Elite: Dangerous, which means Elite has to be the torchbearer when it comes to this type of space sim.

No, no it doesn't 'have' to be anything. Your post is littered with 'has to be done' etc - markers of your opinion.

Some acceptance might be useful. Space sims are not at the point of satisfying your current needs. It's still a niche market.

Find another game or find another hobby, and check back in five years. It's really that simple. Elite doesn't have an obligation to satisfy your shifting needs. Chances are, it'll always be a good but not great game. Accept it.

 

[crushdepth]

Accept it.

No.

 

[conceit]

All kickstarters are a gamble, you have to base your expectations on that for them.

This discussion (not you) went from "don't argue, you don't understand the greater vision. cling to the vision" to "what did you care for visions. kickstarter is gamble. cling to reality." with lightspeed.

It twists and turns to the rhythm of the fanboys.

 

[Pyrotiger]

No.

Why not? It is what it is. Man-babies crying about it on a forum won't change that.

I think there's far more important things in life worthy of this amount of emotional outrage.

It's a good but not great game, it always has been that and now, years after release, the chances are it'll continue on in that vein.

 

[conceit]

Why not? It is what it is. Man-babies crying about it on a forum won't change that.

Why not. It already did several times. But it shows your mindset and respect towards the people you discuss with. Calling people who discuss about a game in a discussion forum about games names for... discussing about games... well.. you know what that lets you look like.

 

[Pyrotiger]

Why not. It already did several times. But it shows your mindset and respect towards the people you discuss with. Calling people who discuss about a game in a discussion forum about games names for... discussing about games... well.. you know what that lets you look like.

Er, you're the one that used the term 'fanboy', you know what that lets you look like, and it shows your mindset and respect towards the people you discuss with. Hypocrite? Looks like it. Thanks for the laugh though.

As I said, it is what it is. Accept it, cry about it, or calmly suggest changes. Discussing is fine. But all this gnashing of teeth over a sodding game that everyone has already played x hours on and more than got their entertainment on...it's a bit wearisome. There are real problems in the world. ED is not one of them.

 

[Stigbob]

This discussion (not you) went from "don't argue, you don't understand the greater vision. cling to the vision" to "what did you care for visions. kickstarter is gamble. cling to reality." with lightspeed.

The same old four year old discussions will often jump straight to the logical conclusion from all the previous times it was recycled.

It twists and turns to the rhythm of the fanboys.

Calling people names only serves to get your opinions written off, it isn't an effective argument or way of way of getting your opinion across.

If you don't like the game stop playing it, if you don't like fanboys leave the forum. That's an example of jumping straight to the logical conclusion without all the messing about.

 

[conceit]

Er, you're the one that used the term 'fanboy', you know what that lets you look like, and it shows your mindset and respect towards the people you discuss with. Hypocrite? Looks like it. Thanks for the laugh though.

As I said, it is what it is. Accept it, cry about it, or calmly suggest changes. Discussing is fine. But all this gnashing of teeth over a sodding game that everyone has already played x hours on and more than got their entertainment on...it's a bit wearisome.

No. Not hypocrite. It quite well expresses my mindset and respect for fanboys - which are by far not all the people I discuss with. But many. But at least, apart from calling people names, I didn't run out of arguments and told everyone the discussion that I'm so eagerly involved in, suddenly is duddits.

 

[Pyrotiger]

No. Not hipocrite. It quite well expresses my mindset and respect for fanboys - which are by far not all the people I discuss with. But many. But at least, apart from calling people names, I didn't run out of arguments and told everyone the discussion that I'm so eagerly involved in, suddenly is duddits.

Anyone who doesn't have your opinion=fanboy? Yep, looks hypocritical to me.

Somebody please translate the rest of this for me. I honestly don't understand this language.

 

[conceit]

Somebody please translate for me. I honestly don't understand this.

Sorry for not being a native English speaker. That - all over sudden - this becomes an issue for you when you are running out of arguments underlines well what I mean.

 

[crushdepth]

The same old four year old discussions will often jump straight to the logical conclusion from all the previous times it was recycled.



Calling people names only serves to get your opinions written off, it isn't an effective argument or way of way of getting your opinion across.

If you don't like the game stop playing it, if you don't like fanboys leave the forum. That's an example of jumping straight to the logical conclusion without all the messing about.

Who are you to tell people what to do? But that's the standard fanboi script isn't it, if you criticise my precious you should leave.

Some people want to see this game improve, you don't have to like it. And you are plenty contemptuous other's opinions, I hardly think you are in a position to lecture people about effective arguments.

 

[Pyrotiger]

Sorry for not being a native English speaker. That - all over sudden - this becomes an issue for you when you are running out of arguments underlines well what I mean.

How can you underline what has no meaning through your lack of comprehension? It's an issue when you clearly can't express yourself, or clearly you just can't understand all the posts you are reading, yes.

I haven't run out of arguments. The fact that you don't understand them doesn't mean I've run out. Just reread them until they sink in. No need to apologise, just gitgud.

 

[HBK]

Can't really agree with OP. Yes there are no pure Elite clones, but that's the case with many games actually. They all have their specificity.

Other space games exist which may appeal to different players. So yeah if ya want "ED, but better", then yes it doesn't exist. But if ya want more space management you have other games such as the X series from Egosoft, if ya want more pewpew there are alternatives such as Everspace, if ya want more MMO style stuff I believe Eve is still out there, etc.

That being said "go play another game" is as lame as an answer can get, on that we can agree.

 

[Pyrotiger]

Who are you to tell people what to do? But that's the standard fanboi script isn't it, if you criticise my precious you should leave.

Some people want to see this game improve, you don't have to like it. And you are plenty contemptuous other's opinions, I hardly think you are in a position to lecture people about effective arguments.

It's still just a game though, isn't it? And it'll always be a game.

Games were invented to pass time. On this score, ED is a roaring success!

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

I agree with OP, this game has a lot of potential.
Now it's out and available development has slowed down, but what's there is great.

I invested in ED because it was the latest version of Elite, earlier versions had shown so much potential, but ED made it look like your imagination said it should.

The online multi-person gameplay is new, but if it's not for you, you can just avoid it.

People have complained it's online, even solo mode, but companies are trying to beat pirates in the real world also.

I'd obviously like to see the wish list of feature RIGHT NOW , but if you have even an inkling of how much work is involved in what's there already, you'll realise its not a simple task.

I do think the priorities should be better mission mechanics, although a certain amount has been done there.

I'd also like to see slightly harder npc, but no sooner do I say that someone else will say 'make npc easier'. Frontier, can't please everyone.

I'd like to see a ship cockpit mechanics streamlined as I feel they are somewhat haphazard.

But I'm still playing ED, still buying a few paint jobs etc.

I can play for 10 mins or 10 hours depending on best for for my time

Suits me fine. See you in the black. Which is were I'll be for the next couple of weeks, while I truck back from the galaxy centre.

PS try it in VR

Gen