Yeah, in particular I was talking about the underlying hostility towards Solo players in these posts:
Why play online?
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Yeah, in particular I was talking about the underlying hostility towards Solo players in these posts:
You don't need a reason. If you want to play online do, if not don't. There's no harm in doing either. The game design is about player choice in this respect. If you want to build up an decent ship in solo then move to multiplayer, then do it! It's your choice. If that's what you wish to do then there is no good reason to go online for you that I can give.
And cobblers to what anyone else thinks of your decision.
I don't think there's hostility to solo players. Much more often I have witnessed hostility to pvp or those in favour of it.
The second quote you gave shows no semblance of being anti-solo player and I'm not sure why you used it. The quote objects to people being against pvp and points out that people are often rude to those that enjoy pvp, that doesn't mean the person that made it is against solo mode or solo players - it's not even mentioned.
The first quote doesn't object to solo mode players either, nor solo mode itself. It looks to me that the person thinks it's silly that a game advertised as a multiplayer game has an online mode that makes it impossible to encounter other people.
The post is a bit ruder than most, but the points are still valid. I think the main point of his post was that you should expect other people to kill you when you go into an online game and getting upset about players killing you is a bit silly. The comparison with the forums looks to highlight that if a player goes into solo mode because they cannot cope with being killed by a player then that is an overreaction and if such a trivial thing causes such distress then they might need a separate forum to keep them safe from reading something that causes them a similar overreaction and subsequent distress.
Can't agree with you; its your competitive PvP thing going on. (Not attacking personally), but your fear is other PvP players using solo-online to 'best' you in some manner...
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FUN!! surely that is the only reason for playing any game? (unless you believe there will be a play for cash pro-scene which I highly doubt).
If you enjoy multiplayer with random people play all online
if you enjoy multiplayer with friends, and can take or leave real people play All online
if you enjoy multiplayer with friends, and have zero interest with randoms play private online
if you want to go it alone play solo online.
and as your mood changes you can switch at will.
only play offline if this is all you ever want to play as you are locked into that.
I suppose you are right. Perhaps I misread some of that stuff. If so, I apologize.
In the end it doesn't matter, though. Elite: Dangerous will cater to all player types, and as long as everyone can play the game the way the like to everything is fine.
I suppose you are right. Perhaps I misread some of that stuff. If so, I apologize.
In the end it doesn't matter, though. Elite: Dangerous will cater to all player types, and as long as everyone can play the game the way the like to everything is fine.
There are a lot of questions on this forum or about this game that just seems to prompt arguments. Why even bother asking for reasons, just do what the hell you want is exactly the point and the "whatever the hell you want" option has already been provided.
That's not really how things have turned out for many MMOs before.
The all group will become a "PvP paradise" if people flee it; essentially, everyone's worst fear becomes real if they try to avoid it, and that's something pretty much no one wants, so it's a long way from a paradise. If they stick around and tackle the problem, it'll become an enjoyable place for everyone.
It's not like you can either do PvE or PvP anyway. Most people lie in between the two, and making the all group a vast PvP battlefield will drive them all away, because that's not what they want. It'd be seriously sad if it becomes a cut-throat just become some people took what is a beta test far too seriously.
I don't plan on doing PvP much myself, but I won't be avoiding players either. And as I said just above, most people are in for both, not just PvP. And just like people who wish to avoid PvP because they think it's unfair, people who do PvP don't want it to be completely unfair either.
Let's not have double standards here, and complain about PvP because you don't feel like competing and testing your skills against others, but suddenly think it's fun as soon as there's a bias to your advantage and you're the one in a position of power. Either way, it's not okay.
PvP itself has to be fair in some ways, and exploiting the solo mode to get a great ship and only join the "all" group for PvP does nothing good, and leads to nothing anyone wants.
I'm just playing solo and scenarios to get used to the controller, the markets and combat at the moment. But it isn't the same as a Galaxy with real people in it. Most will be peaceful folks, and there's the danger.
One of the things I loved about EVE was the New Eden community, good or bad.
As long as you keep your wits about you, it's pretty safe in E, no gate camping (no gates yay) or bubbles, or 100 v 1 gankfests.
Most of the kills in EVE are not real kills, they're ganks which are worthless. Of course there's some talented pilots who deserve their mails, but most are just a clump of chumps.
E by the look of it, will be real pvp. Looking forward to it.
EDIT: Oh...and no subs
One of the things I loved about EVE was the New Eden community, good or bad.
As long as you keep your wits about you, it's pretty safe in E
, no gate camping (no gates yay) or bubbles, or 100 v 1 gankfests.Most of the kills in EVE are not real kills, they're ganks which are worthless. Of course there's some talented pilots who deserve their mails, but most are just a clump of chumps.
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by the look of it, will be real pvp. Looking forward to it.EDIT: Oh...and no subs
But some feel entitled to pew pew you because they are better at pew pewing than you could ever possibly be, and want to show that off to the universe
The fact that you might not let them pew pew you is an overpowered game-breaking exploit and needs nerfed!
For some, the fact that you merely exist is justification for pew-pewing - and if they cannot get to you, well, that is simply unfair!
I'm not terribly interested in playing online with strangers either in a PVP setting. I know the devs will do their best, but there will be an immense amount of ganking going on after the game is released, mostly by us Beta players who already know how to play and play well. When you play safe for hours and hours to buy your first new ship and then some veteran in a Type 9 blows you up (or rams you into a station) just for the fun of it, you're probably not going to be eager to come back anytime soon.
Plus no matter how hard the devs try, there will be some sort of hack or exploit or something that SOMEONE will discover, and they'll be using their newbie Sidewinder to destroy fleets of powerful ships. I hate, really hate to think about that, but people have alot of time on their hands and they'll try their best to exploit the game.
None of that is good for the game. Realistic and brutal, sure. Fun for newbies? No. I for one would love to see and play on specifically designated non-PVP islands simply to avoid the gankers, alliances of gankers, and the exploiters. That way I can enjoy the economy fluctuations, co-op against NPCs or join together for big trade runs, things like that.
Plus no matter how hard the devs try, there will be some sort of hack or exploit or something that SOMEONE will discover, and they'll be using their newbie Sidewinder to destroy fleets of powerful ships. I hate, really hate to think about that, but people have alot of time on their hands and they'll try their best to exploit the game.
None of that is good for the game. Realistic and brutal, sure. Fun for newbies? No. I for one would love to see and play on specifically designated non-PVP islands simply to avoid the gankers, alliances of gankers, and the exploiters. That way I can enjoy the economy fluctuations, co-op against NPCs or join together for big trade runs, things like that.
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You play online for the sense of danger and player interaction. That is exciting.
You play online for the learning experience of player interaction.
People are under the misconception that offline will be easier. It is right now but after the difficulty is increased you will find that it is just as dangerous offline as it is online.
Th galaxy is so big that the majority of threats will be from NPC's as that is the games primary focus.
You play online for the learning experience of player interaction.
People are under the misconception that offline will be easier. It is right now but after the difficulty is increased you will find that it is just as dangerous offline as it is online.
Th galaxy is so big that the majority of threats will be from NPC's as that is the games primary focus.
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The All Group is the "PvP Paradise" by default.
All that will happen if non-PvPers stick around is that the PvPers will have more player targets and the non-PvPers will either have to change their play-style to take on the PvPers (which is exactly what the PvPers would want and why should the non-PvPers change their play-style?) or stop playing if they don't enjoy it.
Why should non-PvPers stick around to encourage the PvPers when there are better play options open to them?
The talk of community is only appealing if the community is one that all of the players in it want to participate in. If there ends up being no sizeable community in the All Group because all of the less combative players choose to play elsewhere, whose fault will that be?