PvP Why PvP is broke and how to fix it

[Guest 161958]

I agree 100%.

I agree too. Meanwhile we have what we have and the bgs is the only attachment I find to sparkle pvp, not immaginary unconvincing rp excuses and shortcuts.

 

[Guest 161958]

You really just don't get it...

yeah I don`t why do you insist on playing the game on the forum instead of ingame?

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

How do you deal with crappy internet connection? I mean I hate clogging, but even my connection sometimes craps out. I paid money for the game. I'm not ok with getting banned for that.

There will always be DC's, can't do owt about that, but ideally there should be systems in place that monitor your traffic to the server. IE: First one is counted as a Dc, if you are "disconnected" within a set timeframe after that, you get flagged. If it happens aain, you get banned.

If not that, then I vote they do a VO. When you log out, or Dc. Your ship retains it's presence in the instance for upto 5 minutes. If it was a Dc, you'll be back in 99% of the time instantly and therefore it should'nt cause too much upset, whereas if it was a log? Well. Kiss goodbye to your vessel there chum.

I'd also like to see a heavy cash penalty applied to anyne found cheating the system, for instance under the abocve, if someone were to log, then thier ship is destroyed as a result of it still being retained in server that cmdr pays x4 rebuy costs.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

yeah I don`t why do you insist on playing the game on the forum instead of ingame?

No. You don't get it.

It's a community thing. Those folks wanted to RP the bad guys and thats what they do.

Pushing thier agenda on the forums is literally no different than in game. It's the same community and the same subject.


Just let people be themselves and do what they enjoy instead of attempting to look down your nose at them. The only person that makes look like a fool is yourself bud.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

How would you know how social gankers are? Have you been in any ganking squadrons? Because from what I've seen, the PvP community, including gankers, are the most social and organized groups of people in Elite.
We're not getting defensive because we enjoy the game as it is. You're the ones that keep making stupid posts, begging the devs to change the game into a hand holding simulator. We quite enjoy it the way it is.

Quick, you better throw around more terms like anti-social and sociopaths to get your point across that this game isn't catering to your hand holding play style and that it's the gankers fault that you're not having any fun.

Well put.

 

[Guest 161958]

No. You don't get it.

It's a community thing. Those folks wanted to RP the bad guys and thats what they do.

Pushing thier agenda on the forums is literally no different than in game. It's the same community and the same subject.


Just let people be themselves and do what they enjoy instead of attempting to look down your nose at them. The only person that makes look like a fool is yourself bud.

I get it more than you I think. RP on the forum is an excuse to avoid a mechanic they do not like to initiate pvp. They are not participating in the community at all, otherwise they would have a faction and would be fighting for territory, not going on a killing spree of easy targets to dry up open damaging noble pvpers too.

This thread demonstrates how they advocate playing by the rules while looking for a shortcut to not play by the rules. The mechanics to control a system are through bgs, not through killing everyone in a system to simply make them go to pg or force them to block the ganker. (GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OF THESE NULLS I REPORTED BECAUSE THEY WERE SPAMMING AUDIOCALLS AT ME ALL THE TIME).

There is nothing wrong in rping bad guys on the forum, but they need to have a foundation in the bgs otherwise I will always look down on them as common gankers. Nothing personal.

 

[CMDR M. Lehman]

I get it more than you I think. RP on the forum is an excuse to avoid a mechanic they do not like to initiate pvp. They are not participating in the community at all, otherwise they would have a faction and would be fighting for territory, not going on a killing spree of easy targets to dry up open damaging noble pvpers too.

This thread demonstrates how they advocate playing by the rules while looking for a shortcut to not play by the rules. The mechanics to control a system are through bgs, not through killing everyone in a system to simply make them go to pg or force them to block the ganker. (GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OF THESE NULLS I REPORTED BECAUSE THEY WERE SPAMMING AUDIOCALLS AT ME ALL THE TIME).

There is nothing wrong in rping bad guys on the forum, but they need to have a foundation in the bgs otherwise I will always look down on them as common gankers. Nothing personal.

A "common ganker" literally determined the course of an Elite novel because of PvP, all without the use of the BGS. You might want to rethink your position.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

I get it more than you I think. RP on the forum is an excuse to avoid a mechanic they do not like to initiate pvp. They are not participating in the community at all, otherwise they would have a faction and would be fighting for territory, not going on a killing spree of easy targets to dry up open damaging noble pvpers too.

This thread demonstrates how they advocate playing by the rules while looking for a shortcut to not play by the rules. The mechanics to control a system are through bgs, not through killing everyone in a system to simply make them go to pg or force them to block the ganker. (GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OF THESE NULLS I REPORTED BECAUSE THEY WERE SPAMMING AUDIOCALLS AT ME ALL THE TIME).

There is nothing wrong in rping bad guys on the forum, but they need to have a foundation in the bgs otherwise I will always look down on them as common gankers. Nothing personal.

Erm what?

Just because someone does'nt find the BGS as entertaining as others do does'nt mean thier motivation for being part of a group for RP is any less worthy a cause.

You say nothing personal, but you just gave up the get with that and exposed your vendetta. Think before you type. If you don't like someone just be civil, don't go out of your way to try to degrade them or make yourself seem so high and mighty.

I'll kill you just for being in the instance with me so count yourself lucky that these guys at least made an effort to communicate with you.

 

[Roybe]

A "common ganker" literally determined the course of an Elite novel because of PvP, all without the use of the BGS. You might want to rethink your position.

Fair point. Now let's see them influence the game on Saturday this week.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

A "common ganker" literally determined the course of an Elite novel because of PvP, all without the use of the BGS. You might want to rethink your position.

I seem to recall another group of ‘common gankers’ being quite inspired by that whole affair and successfully fighting against a much larger group to win control of their home system primarily through PvP.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Just because someone does'nt find the BGS as entertaining as others do does'nt mean thier motivation for being part of a group for RP is any less worthy a cause.

No, no. I've been wrong this whole time.

Because I don't enjoy delivering 3294879234 tons of biowaste for Happy Independents of gamma- 1287334, I'm actually not even playing the game.

I understand now and will immediately begin accepting all those very meaningful, not-at-all-random-tripe follow-up mission messages that appear in my inbox.

Then I will have achieved max roleplay and can find Raxxla.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

Too much Fallout76.

Hard pass.

Anyone, any reason, any time. If people don't want to fight the game offers them every opportunity to escape provided they have payed attention during thier playtime and it's often easier to escape than it is to get a kill. Even non engineered you can get away from a fully fitted gank wing within 20seconds. See Rinzler's "Git Gud Guide to Trading".

 

[Zarek Null]

My method of conquest is known as ungoverned warlordism. In ungoverned warlordism, a warlord independently rules a territory through the use of overwhelming force. Often, neither the pre-existing government nor governments in other places will officially acknowledge the warlord's authority to rule and these governments will continue to act as if they were still in charge. Nonetheless, for the lives of the people living in the warlord-ruled region, the official government "on-paper" is irrelevant, because in the end, might makes right. The empty territorial claims of bureaucrats mean nothing. The day that system security forces become powerful enough to thwart my military -- only then will existing "governments" have any real political relevance.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

My method of conquest is known as ungoverned warlordism. In ungoverned warlordism, a warlord independently rules a territory through the use of overwhelming force. Often, neither the pre-existing government nor governments in other places will officially acknowledge the warlord's authority to rule and these governments will continue to act as if they were still in charge. Nonetheless, for the lives of the people living in the warlord-ruled region, the official government is "on-paper" is irrelevant, because in the end, might makes right. The empty territorial claims of bureaucrats mean nothing. The day that system security forces become powerful enough to thwart my military -- only then will existing "governments" have any real politic relevance.

Wait is'nt that a shadow government... *Eyes narrow in suspicion*

 

[Oopsie Daisy]

Hairball hacker- if all players were like you (and gave in game reasons for player killing) I would not feel the need to change much and would not have posted this thread

Sadly I think drastic measures are required to save PvP from less noble players.

Nothing noble about it. I just want to be able to diffuse some of the "cry cry gweefer" accusations.

 

[Guest 161958]

A "common ganker" literally determined the course of an Elite novel because of PvP, all without the use of the BGS. You might want to rethink your position.

I do not care, it is not the elite I am playing. I want to see entities controlling bases not dreams.

 

[Guest 161958]

Erm what?

Just because someone does'nt find the BGS as entertaining as others do does'nt mean thier motivation for being part of a group for RP is any less worthy a cause.

You say nothing personal, but you just gave up the get with that and exposed your vendetta. Think before you type. If you don't like someone just be civil, don't go out of your way to try to degrade them or make yourself seem so high and mighty.

I'll kill you just for being in the instance with me so count yourself lucky that these guys at least made an effort to communicate with you.

Very well, then I will keep looking down on this someone's antisocial behaviour and hope he will find a game that pleases him instead of trying to change it as he pleases.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I do not care, it is not the elite I am playing. I want to see entities controlling bases not dreams.

You can't kill an idea.

 

[Guest 161958]

No, no. I've been wrong this whole time.

Because I don't enjoy delivering 3294879234 tons of biowaste for Happy Independents of gamma- 1287334, I'm actually not even playing the game.

I understand now and will immediately begin accepting all those very meaningful, not-at-all-random-tripe follow-up mission messages that appear in my inbox.

Then I will have achieved max roleplay and can find Raxxla.

Then I suggest you find a game you enjoy more than ED.

 

[Guest 161958]

My method of conquest is known as ungoverned warlordism. In ungoverned warlordism, a warlord independently rules a territory through the use of overwhelming force. Often, neither the pre-existing government nor governments in other places will officially acknowledge the warlord's authority to rule and these governments will continue to act as if they were still in charge. Nonetheless, for the lives of the people living in the warlord-ruled region, the official government is "on-paper" is irrelevant, because in the end, might makes right. The empty territorial claims of bureaucrats mean nothing. The day that system security forces become powerful enough to thwart my military -- only then will existing "governments" have any real politic relevance.

In other words, you find an excuse to play another game you decide and do not care about other players.

It's like playing poker and deciding that any card you have will make you win.

For this rare occasion let me link my open letter to you so you can have fun with us too after following my advice

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/475312-Open-letter-to-null-by-name-and-nature-an-advice