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Is this meant to make a coherent point that can be replied to? It doesn't.
Nice deflection. Call me old school, but while I recognize that anybody can run their mouths, I only take seriously the words of those who know something about the topic under discussion.
Don't mind me, though. Please carry on
I think you would make a stronger point if I were to give advice on tactics or loadout, I don't get involved in those conversations (from a PvP perspective), both because I'm not an expert and because I just don't min/max the game that much. I know what has worked for me, I'm not an original source for what's 'best'.
But I am a player who has PvP'd, freeform and semi-organised, and is prepared to again under the right circumstances. So I think my opinion is worth adding because I'm a floating voter, similarly to how you once were. Although clearly not so much otherwise I would have done more than I have, I went travelling instead.
In a similar vein I lightly berated you a while back because I give more weight to the opinions of people who continue to play. You might still make a good point, and if I think you do I'd either say so or give the post rep, just as with any other post. I give out rep pretty freely to a well structured argument (or a pretty pic etc). Whether you (or any other reader) thinks my opinion is worthless isn't going to stop me writing it if I think it's worthwhile
I take exception to that! There was nothing passive about that at all.
I wonder how many people currently dominating this thread actually engage actively in PvP. Or fly in Open on even a semi regular basis for that matter. I mean, I'm always commenting on Modes of Elite, but that's only because I actually engage in using various modes and the various activities under discussion.
Just noting some irony; don't mind me
The topic is; why is/isn't it popular. So those who don't actively engage have relevant info on why they don't. Plus it doesn't have to be active. In Open PvP engages me.
Oh snap!
I got the power
Amerikanskaja firma Tranceptor Technology pristupila k proizvodstvu computrov 'Personalny Sputnik'.
But PvP is popular, loads of games are built purely around it and are very successful. If anything at all we are talking about why PvP in Elite isn't as popular as it could be, and if you wanted to know why a certain bike wasn't popular you would ask people who ride, not people who have no idea what riding actually involves or what to look for in analysing the bike.
I wonder how many people currently dominating this thread actually engage actively in PvP. Or fly in Open on even a semi regular basis for that matter. I mean, I'm always commenting on Modes of Elite, but that's only because I actually engage in using various modes and the various activities under discussion.
Just noting some irony; don't mind me
duh, the vast majority of them.
Although the OP of this thread, I can see people who dont pvp responding to this one.
Would be cool if the forum had an indication of game time spent in different modes so forumites would know if opinions are based on actual experience.
Did you actually read the OP?
Many since have said they like PvP in other games, but not here and discussed why.
I know PvP is popular in gaming. Except for ED, I haven’t played anything but PvP games for the last 15 years.
In ED I never really do it, unless you count running away as PvP.
PvP in ED is not good enough to bother with. Lots of effort for slow fights in otherwise useless ships, topped of with an unatractive ‘rock, scissor, paper’ system.
I rater CQC, If I need some space ship PvP.
The thread was/is named "Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous". Not "...in open". Not ... "among PvPers". But, in "Elite Dangerous". That necessarily includes all of us who play Elite Dangerous. It's just another control ploy, trying to minimize or exclude, players who aren't PvP fans from the conversation.
It makes no sense to only ask players that like PvP in Elite, why it isn't popular. What insight would be gained, except for some kumbaya moments of confirmation bias. Open forums allow for all points of view, an attempt to censor or qualify an opinion, only indicates a weakness to the opposition.
It makes no sense to only ask players that like PvP in Elite, why it isn't popular. What insight would be gained, except for some kumbaya moments of confirmation bias. Open forums allow for all points of view, an attempt to censor or qualify an opinion, only indicates a weakness to the opposition.
As if that's what this thread has been about for days now.
Seal clubbing and ganking are largely the same thing - you can not seal club without engaging in ganking class behaviours which essentially means you were wrong in saying what I originally posted was false.
While the rebuy penalty does mainly affect true seal clubbers, it also affects anyone that attacks weaker and cheaper ships too.
Besides which that was not actually the primary change I was referring to but rather the collective effect of the other consequences there are for gaining bounties in general.
As for Ganking being a valid PvP activity, it may be not explicitly prohibited but it is an activity that many consider toxic to PvP in general.
When you consider the apparent attitudes of those trying to defend griefing and/or ganking in this thread, I think they have actually just reinforced the general conclusions of myself and others:-
- ED is not specifically designed for PvP, PvP is just an enabler for other activities - primarily Piracy and Bounty Hunting
- The general collective attitudes and behaviours of at least some PvPers are probably what put at least some people off exposing themselves to PvP opportunities
- If you are engaging in ED main environment specifically for PvP opportunities then you will most likely find it wanting - CQC on the other hand is specifically aimed at the PvP focused crowd.
- PvP in ED is not intended to be without restrictions or consequences, those looking for such gameplay from either side of that road (restriction or consequence free) will most likely find ED wanting
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But you can gank without engaging in seal clubbing :
[video=youtube;7yhdhVvmt2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yhdhVvmt2s[/video]
And if you actually read what I said, ganking in general is addressed at least in part by the general consequences - not one specific change that may be "specifically" addressing a subset of the gankers.
There is no getting around the point that ganking is not actually in the spirit of intended ED gameplay. The general mentality of habitual gankers seems to fall into the same category as those DB-OBE singled out as not wanting to deal with when he described his vision for PvP in ED.
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