Modes Why trade in open ?

[Goose4291]

No advantage. Some people simply consider it fun to encounter an (extremely rare) player pirate, and are willing to put up with the annoying ganks to do so. If it's not your cup of tea, simply trade in a mode that suits your preferences. That is, after all, why we have different modes.

The whole "being attacked in Open and then complaining about it" thing is because:

• Frontier made Open the default mode choice
• Frontier doesn't warn people that Open includes PvP
• Frontier generates missions based on server the server you logged into, as opposed to having them persist with your character, so mode switching is a thing. After board flipping a few dozen times, some people forget what mode they're in, until they suddenly see an open rectangle.

When you add in the fact that some players:

• Want people to prove them content, but are unwilling to return the favor
• Are unwilling to attack players who enjoy direct PvP and are equipped for it, because they'll get slaughtered
• Are unable to kill players who enjoy being opposed, and are equipped to survive an attack

As a still going open trader of sorts you missed a few:

A refusal by the 'victim' to accept their death in part might be their fault.
A desire to maximise the precious cr/hr
Not wanting to lose and choosing the path of least resistance
A refusal to adapt to the situation.

Regards,

CMDR Goose4291 of the MV Earnest, small trader, non mission stacker and small ship lover

 

[Maka Gucci]

And heck some people get the urge to do all three modes (you can call me Sybil if you must but that personality may be gone fishing) at different times based on how they feel. The modes make that possible (they are Awesome)

As someone who plays all 3 depending on how I feel/attention I can devote at the time, and someone who enjoys PP so while I like defending against PvPers can still fully appreciate the work dedicated BGS groups do, it's great that we have the option to switch and I thought that was how most people played.

I can understand how Open would be a more varied experience if everyone was in it, but we know FDev have no intention of doing that.

The only mode I would argue should perhaps be Open exclusive, would be the undermining mechanic. That way we could actually stop each other from Undermining, and it wouldn't effect people who aren't interested in PP but would encourage/facilitate PvP amongst the players who desire it.

 

[Phosphora]

As a still going open trader of sorts you missed a few:

A refusal by the 'victim' to accept their death in part might be their fault.
A desire to maximise the precious cr/hr
Not wanting to lose and choosing the path of least resistance
A refusal to adapt to the situation.

Or having a personality that's not the same as yours.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Goose4291]

Or having a personality that's not the same as yours.

Cheers, Phos.

I think that was suitably covered by Darkfyres post which I was responding to.

 

[Phosphora]

I think that was suitably covered by Darkfyres post which I was responding to.

People will play this game for differing reasons and expect different things from the game. The modes acknowledge this and allow Frontier to sell more copies.

Different to you does not necessarily mean inferior to you.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Jockey79]

The modes acknowledge this and allow Frontier to sell more copies.

This right here is the main point for Frontier isn't it.
Locking/ limiting any content to give players a sense of pride and accomplishment is a bad business move, as EA found out recently.

 

[Tiwaz]

Ultima Online Pkers forcing the creation of non-open "shard" and screaming about the sudden lack of targets? I remember that though I can't remember the shard names.


Edit: It won't let me rep you again yet so +1000 lbs of Cubeo Bacon ^,^

It was not shard, but rather almost all shards had their surface area doubled with introduction of Trammel where PvP was disabled. Some shards were made with original ruleset, Siege Perilous and something like that, but they were few compared to Trammelized shards. Because there just was no money in catering to PvP crowd like there was in catering to PvE crowd.

 

[Goose4291]

People will play this game for differing reasons and expect different things from the game. The modes acknowledge this and allow Frontier to sell more copies.

Different to you does not necessarily mean inferior to you.

Cheers, Phos.

Indeed. But the post in question was about WHY the open trader has slowly died, rather than WHY people dont choose to play in open from the get-go

 

[Phosphora]

Indeed. But the post in question was about WHY the open trader has slowly died, rather than WHY people dont choose to play in open from the get-go

Trading in open may have declined because some people have found solo suits their personality more than open. People may experiment with the modes, and diversity may mean more end up in solo.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Goose4291]

Trading in open may have declined because some people have found solo suits their personality more than open. People may experiment with the modes, and diversity may mean more end up in solo.

Cheers, Phos.

All of which can be related to my original post, its just I mentioned specific examples rather than vague 'personality' reasons.

 

[Phosphora]

All of which can be related to my original post, its just I mentioned specific examples rather than vague 'personality' reasons.

And there are specific examples of why people may legitimately play in solo.

Finding PvP boring.
Enjoying uninterrupted trading/mining/exploring.
Technical issues affecting performance in open.
Wanting control over their game time.
Wanting control over who they meet.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I read so many people complain about getting attacked , so why trade in open ? Is there an advantage I do not see ?

First off, the term "trade in open" is pretty generic. Many, if not most days, I log into open and will see nobody during my play sessions. There are other days where I intentionally go find the crowds.

Unless you are at a CG or some other hotspot, you are likely to run into many people out there. For the few who you do run into you are even less likely to get pulled by or even contacted by them.

So what makes it fun?

The risk. The risk of known that that next system over could have another guy in it, and he could just be out for a fun day of killin'. Or the risk that he might be a pirate, and you're in for some good interaction.

When you're in private mode, and you're cruising through space, everything is just meh. It's autopilot. It's in Open, when you see that hollow square that you wake up and are like "Oh, snap!", and suddenly your boring little A-B trip becomes just a tad more interesting for a moment while the two of you react to the new unknown factor in your lives. And 99% of the time that factor turns out to be just some dude, going on his way.

I strongly encourage you to play in Open. Like I said, you won't always see people, but when you do it's a good time.

Now, why don't more people trade in Open? let me tell you... for many people it's stubbornness and greed. The greed that drives them to fly poorly equipped ships so that they can pack every last nook and cranny with space junk, and the stubbornness to change their ways once they get caught in a shieldless freighter made of tin foil.

Then they do things like fly these vulnerable monstrosities to community events, and do things like line them up in a straight line to wait for docking, so that they look like this...

Spoiler

And then some guy in a Zero comes along and strafes the whole damn airfield, and then his victims whine and moan about how broken the game is because Crime & Punshiment.

In the end, guys like me will come along to tell them about the one thing could have saved them (hint, people have been using it to not die for thousands and thousands of years)

Spoiler

But tomorrow, there will be a new community event, a new hotspot, and a new group (filled with many of the same old) traders who stubbornly refuse to do anything but get their trade ships blowed up.

The end.

 

[Strangepork]

I read so many people complain about getting attacked , so why trade in open ? Is there an advantage I do not see ?

...for kicks and to feel connected.

 

[Goose4291]

Now, why don't more people trade in Open? let me tell you... for many people it's stubbornness and greed. The greed that drives them to fly poorly equipped ships so that they can pack every last nook and cranny with space junk, and the stubbornness to change their ways once they get caught in a shieldless freighter made of tin foil.

Then they do things like fly these vulnerable monstrosities to community events, and do things like line them up in a straight line to wait for docking, so that they look like this...

Spoiler

http://www.navy.gov.au/sites/default/files/816-5a.jpg

And then some guy in a Zero comes along and strafes the whole damn airfield, and then his victims whine and moan about how broken the game is because Crime & Punshiment.

In the end, guys like me will come along to tell them about the one thing could have saved them (hint, people have been using it to not die for thousands and thousands of years)

Spoiler

http://www.preferredarms.com/images/weapons/large/shields/1-Large-Round-Steel-Shield.jpg

But tomorrow, there will be a new community event, a new hotspot, and a new group (filled with many of the same old) traders who stubbornly refuse to do anything but get their trade ships blowed up.

The end.

You missed the part where we get called griefer schills/SDC wannabees/git guders/false flags luring prey into open for pointing out the patently obvious.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Here's the thing though.

This is your reaction when the CMDRs who are less than proficient in dealing with PvP form a polite line for a docking station: Ahhhahahahahaha look at those noobs sitting like ducks, it's their own fault they get blown up! Now lets hear them whine on the forums.
And when these CMDRs decide, you know what, I would rather be in a Private Group where I can be as daft as a sitting duck with regard to PvP, they're greedy, stubborn cowards and cheating.

So the only way these CMDRs would be playing the game right, is when they go to Open, git gud and take part in PvP. Anything else is just wrong.

 

[wrmiller]

Here's the thing though.

This is your reaction when the CMDRs who are less than proficient in dealing with PvP form a polite line for a docking station: Ahhhahahahahaha look at those noobs sitting like ducks, it's their own fault they get blown up! Now lets hear them whine on the forums.
And when these CMDRs decide, you know what, I would rather be in a Private Group where I can be as daft as a sitting duck with regard to PvP, they're greedy, stubborn cowards and cheating.

So the only way these CMDRs would be playing the game right, is when they go to Open, git gud and take part in PvP. Anything else is just wrong.

I do so enjoy being wrong in this particular case.

And the more threads I read in this sub forum, the less I care one way or another.

 

[Goose4291]

Here's the thing though.

This is your reaction when the CMDRs who are less than proficient in dealing with PvP form a polite line for a docking station: Ahhhahahahahaha look at those noobs sitting like ducks, it's their own fault they get blown up! Now lets hear them whine on the forums.
And when these CMDRs decide, you know what, I would rather be in a Private Group where I can be as daft as a sitting duck with regard to PvP, they're greedy, stubborn cowards and cheating.

So the only way these CMDRs would be playing the game right, is when they go to Open, git gud and take part in PvP. Anything else is just wrong.

Except that's not how it goes.

If the threads core concept is 'I got killed in open, why?' I generally try to offer advice and suggestions like 'fly with a decent build', 'dont fly without rebuy', 'mitigate risk' or 'just give them some bloody cargo, like they asked!'

If however the threads core concept is that someone exploding your e-pixels is serious business worthy of psychobabble and real life hate, then I find the whole thing tragically hilarious.

Sadly the second thread type is more popular.

 

[kilon]

Except that's not how it goes.

If the threads core concept is 'I got killed in open, why?' I generally try to offer advice and suggestions like 'fly with a decent build', 'dont fly without rebuy', 'mitigate risk' or 'just give them some bloody cargo, like they asked!'

If however the threads core concept is that someone exploding your e-pixels is serious business worthy of psychobabble and real life hate, then I find the whole thing tragically hilarious.

Sadly the second thread type is more popular.

Threads core concept is why people trade in open and complain about it when they can go to private and solo easily with no effect to their trading. Anything else is out off topic. But I am not a strict guy, keep the answers coming

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Except that's not how it goes.

Well ...

threads core concept is 'I got killed in open, why?' I generally try to offer advice and suggestions like 'fly with a decent build', 'dont fly without rebuy', 'mitigate risk' or 'just give them some bloody cargo, like they asked!'

If however the threads core concept is that someone exploding your e-pixels is serious business worthy of psychobabble and real life hate, then I find the whole thing tragically hilarious.

Sadly the second thread type is more popular.

These happen as well. I am not claiming what I described is the only way arguments pan out.

But you do not recognize the argument I described in these forums? You don't see CMDRs berating those who fly in Open because of the decisions they make like lining up in an orderly line because they feel it's the right thing to do? And you don't see CMDRs who decide to go into a private group because that suits them being accused of being greedy, stubborn, cowards and/or cheating?

Are you confident that's not how it goes?

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

I trade in open because it adds a little more risk.

NPCs can't kill my trade ships, and players can't really seem to either, but it's fun to let them try.

If you've never been mugged by PVP pirates, you've never truly experienced the best part of elite. They add a whole different aspect to the game that you just can't get from crappy NPCs.