Modes Why trade in open ?

[Ziggy Stardust]

You like talking about yourself don't you?

I'll show you a proper strawman.

Whatever you say man. You guys can argue it all you want. Please by all means. Go for it.

Video evidence backs up everything I have said.

But nothing you guys have said will discredit me, nor Sandros points.

The modes has caused Griefing. Because you either have good guys, or bad guys. There is no healthy PVP in this game. The outlets for Healthy PVP has been removed by the modes.

When people ask who are the bad guys in this game? It sure as hell aint the Thargoids is it? No, Its SDC. Them no good griefers? Right?

Powerplay has failed because it was a game design to give an outlet for Direct PVP. But instead the modes killed that outlet.

So instead the bad guys are called griefers, the community cant tell who SDC is and who isn't. I cant tell you how many times Ive been fighting a SDC member LIVE on stream. And someone 2 hours later has said I was SDC, just because I am a PVPer.

I play the Good guy in Elite Dangerous, Ive hunted Zarek Null, Even Algomatic in Eravate. Ask him he will tell you.

But no, because I pvp in general I am a griefer.

Heres something else that will blow your mind. My first Subscriber and follower in Elite Dangerous when I started streaming it. Was this guy. He was with me for about 6 months.

I joined up with GCI, where that group of people Teach the game and is based of Consensual PVP. They had their own set of rules, like no premium, Dont come back to a fight after you die in a wing fight and so on.

All consensual. Both good guys and Bad guys together. This place was just made for PVP, with no objectives. (Yes I know the place can get toxic, but no more than it is here in the modes of elite with the snarky comments.)

Anyways, when I got into PVP, CONSENSUAL PVP. The guy left, and left this note when he Unsubbed, https://imgur.com/HBQlrzh

All because I was looking for HEALTHY PVP. Not Griefing. Because if you stop someone in this game over an objective People call it griefing.

Now take you and your 0 experience, saying im dodging questions. And go somewhere else. Because I've proven you wrong YET AGAIN.

So your argument is: Here's my life's story, I am right.

Ironclad dear 90s. Iron. Clad.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You like talking about yourself don't you?

I'll show you a proper strawman.


So your argument is: Here's my life's story, I am right.

Ironclad dear 90s. Iron. Clad.

Just showing experience. Vs your 0 experience. Really simple.

Ive shown and proven everything.

Like I said, go be a bad guy, or oppose a CG playing either side IN OPEN. Then come back and talk to me. And tell me how many times the community calls you a griefer. Just for simply playing the game. They Way Fdev intended.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

lol.

He agreed with my strawman. My work here is complete

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

lol.

He agreed with my strawman. My work here is complete

Whatever you say my dude.

you're making snide remarks, while I am giving proof. If you had the proof on your end. You wouldnt be making those snide remarks. Just saying.

 

[Jockey79]

Video evidence backs up everything I have said.

Fan made videos are not "proof" - official videos are.
I can make a fan video saying PvP is gonig to be removed, by your premise, that would be factual

/facepalm

But nothing you guys have said will discredit me, nor Sandros points.

No, Sandro saying that incentives were a bad move discredit you and void his post you cling to

The modes has caused Griefing.

No, players cause griefing. Not the modes.

There is no healthy PVP in this game. The outlets for Healthy PVP has been removed by the modes.

Yes there is, the PvP Hub and people on Facebook doing PvP in Power Play are evidence of this.

Powerplay has failed because it was a game design to give an outlet for Direct PVP.

Yes, PvP outlet... in a PvE game. By a mechanic designed to work in Solo

Riiight oh, if you say so.

But instead the modes killed that outlet.

Made it optional, like the rest of the games content.

I play the Good guy in Elite Dangerous, Ive hunted Zarek Null, Even Algomatic in Eravate. Ask him he will tell you.

And I've spent time with Douglas Adams writing the next Hitchhikers Guide Story, right after I was done with writing a new song with Bob Marley and a new poem with Poe.

But no, because I pvp in general I am a griefer.

No, throwing insults and trying to force an optional part of the game on others makes you one.

Now take you and your 0 experience, saying im dodging questions. And go somewhere else. Because I've proven you wrong YET AGAIN.

Hey look, there is that insult again, with more crowing.
Dude, really come on. It's getting old.

If you really want us to believe you're not just another sore loser ganker come here to moan, quit with the insults/ bravdo and talk with people ( opposed to talking at them with your normal nonsense)

Then come back and talk to me.

We've tried for 6 months

 

[Ethaidan]

lol.

He agreed with my strawman. My work here is complete

Yes, so please, for the love of logical fallacies please stop! Think of the non sequiturs! ...this thread now feels like watching you and jockey kick a puppy.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yes, so please, for the love of logical fallacies please stop! Think of the non sequiturs! ...this thread now feels like watching you and jockey kick a puppy.

I apologize for kicking a puppy [sad]

(I hope this doesn't get used against me out of context [where is it])

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Fan made videos are not "proof" - official videos are.
I can make a fan video saying PvP is gonig to be removed, by your premise, that would be factual

/facepalm



No, Sandro saying that incentives were a bad move discredit you and void his post you cling to



No, players cause griefing. Not the modes.



Yes there is, the PvP Hub and people on Facebook doing PvP in Power Play are evidence of this.



Yes, PvP outlet... in a PvE game. By a mechanic designed to work in Solo

Riiight oh, if you say so.



Made it optional, like the rest of the games content.



And I've spent time with Douglas Adams writing the next Hitchhikers Guide Story, right after I was done with writing a new song with Bob Marley and a new poem with Poe.



No, throwing insults and trying to force an optional part of the game on others makes you one.



Hey look, there is that insult again, with more crowing.
Dude, really come on. It's getting old.

If you really want us to believe you're not just another sore loser ganker come here to moan, quit with the insults/ bravdo and talk with people ( opposed to talking at them with your normal nonsense)



We've tried for 6 months

LOL. Okay dude. Remember, I backed all my claims. And its not you I have to prove them to. Makes for great discussion. But I have shown lots of proof. And have more on the way.

Have you ever done a science experiment? Where you have a hypothesis, and you have to prove that hypothesis? Thats what I am doing here.

If the same evidence I have shown so far, was linked to a murder case. The guy would get the death penalty. But here in Elite Dangerous when it comes to modes, its discredited cause some dude on the forums said so.

Thats not how this works. I dont have to prove it to you. You can argue it all youd like. Doesnt mean Jack. However Video evidence shows the experience, especially when I have done it live with Fdev hangin in my stream and watching it for around a year from the beginning to see how far I have come and what activities I have taken part in.

All you got is biased one sided posts. That proves nothing.

And now youre trying to discredit Sandro about how open is a lot more risker because you've ran arguments. So you attack me directly instead of the points and proof I bring up.

You arent helping your case at all. All you do is blow smoke, or Gaslight, "Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief."

If you open your wall of information, your bible if you will, its starts off Biased,

"Before we get in to Frontier promoting and defending the mode system and mode switching for Elite: Dangerous (plus other related information), a quick look at the history of; and tech used to bring you this game (explains why some things are not possible)."

And then, we have Sandros Post, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532

If it wasn't possible they wouldnt have even entertained the Idea. And within that post, you can see you were against it. And even tried to argue it against Sandro.

So yeah, You fight it, youre biased. Been doing it since 2014.

And all I am doing is showing where the Sandro was right when it comes to Risk vs Reward against other players.

IT IS POSSIBLE. YOU!, Just dont want it to be.

 

[Jockey79]

Yes, so please, for the love of logical fallacies please stop! Think of the non sequiturs! ...this thread now feels like watching you and jockey kick a puppy.

I cannot breathe

OMG.

LMAO.

Nope, I'm done - need a break. Planet Coaster time to calm down.
Too funny.

 

[Jockey79]

LOL. Okay dude. Remember, I backed all my claims.

With lies and fan videos. So you have nothing.

And its not you I have to prove them to.

But it's me you're making claims at.
So you kinda do.

If the same evidence I have shown so far, was linked to a murder case.

It would be thrown out of court - and you just used that wording with a retired Constable!!
You actually tried to pass of home made posts as "evidence" that's court worthy with an actual policeman!!

LMAO - and you were told that twice.

This whole thread is getting sent to my old unit - they'll love it.

And then, we have Sandros Post, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532

And we have his follow up to that

[video=youtube;uetVzNINdKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uetVzNINdKU;t=26m40s[/video]

The first one's from Robert Maynard and he's saying "Has the pin been pulled on the hand grenade I posted in a Collusion Piracy thread?". Just for context this was, I was musing out loud about potentially Open Play Powerplay having some benefit to success over and above Private Groups and Solo - I just want to reiterate that was just me musing, we're not going to do that at the moment, there are no plans to do it, but it is still an interesting thought, nothing's ever completely off the table but nothing to announce at the moment.

Edit;

And now I'm gone - before my beer gets warm.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

With lies and fan videos. So you have nothing.



But it's me you're making claims at.
So you kinda do.



It would be thrown out of court - and you just used that wording with a retired Constable!!
You actually tried to pass of home made posts as "evidence" that's court worthy with an actual policeman!!

LMAO - and you were told that twice.

This whole thread is getting sent to my old unit - they'll love it.



And we have his follow up to that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uetVzNINdKU;t=26m40s



Edit;

And now I'm gone - before my beer gets warm.

Good do it. Make sure you show them the videos I have provided. Or are you going to show them just one side. With my "Baseless claims"?

" The question is often answered by the people that know PVP better than we do "

LMAO way to shoot yourself in the foot. HOLY SMOKES. Thanks for linking that video again. Made my day.

Amazing.

 

[Mouse]

Because people by their own self admittance dont take part in any of this stuff. But they fight against it. And its the same people everytime. Its a joke of an argument they bring to the table.

Yet people keep telling you they HAVE taken part in the stuff and you STILL say they have 0 experience... Heck you claim Jockey has 0 experience... how bogus of a comment can you make????


I'm sorry but your answer looks AGAIN like you are making crap up and ignoring FACTS just so you can keep ahold of the idea YOU feel is correct.... no matter what actual evidence there is.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yet people keep telling you they HAVE taken part in the stuff and you STILL say they have 0 experience... Heck you claim Jockey has 0 experience... how bogus of a comment can you make????


I'm sorry but your answer looks AGAIN like you are making crap up and ignoring FACTS just so you can keep ahold of the idea YOU feel is correct.... no matter what actual evidence there is.

Uhhh because thats what they have said.

Ziggy wouldnt be caught dead in a players guild. And Jockey doesnt pvp at all.

Hello?

 

[Jockey79]

My spidey sense told me someone was telling lies online, so thought I'd quit gaming and drop back here.

Oh look, found it.

And Jockey doesnt pvp at all.

I believe videos on Ozrams YT prove that wrong.
As well as all the PvP games I play.

I mean really, do you even do social media?

 

[Darkfyre99]

Mind you I'm still trying to figure out how Frontier had the Gaul to slap "MMO" on their website as well - so I guess there is some things that will always remain a mystery to me.

That's because the player base convinced them that it is an MMO, just a rather unusual one. For the longest time, David Braben and the senior Devs didn't want to call it that.

 

[Jockey79]

That's because the player base convinced them that it is an MMO, just a rather unusual one. For the longest time, David Braben and the senior Devs didn't want to call it that.

Don't even start me on the MMO rubbish.
This isn't an MMO.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Don't even start me on the MMO rubbish.

OK, I won't.

This isn't an MMO.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, since this game checks all three boxes in that abbreviation.

 

[Sylveria]

I'd have to agree that this game isn't really MMO in the traditional sense, but it's definitely a hybrid in makeup. It's unique in the mode system, which groups the entirety of a player base but then divides it down into categories.

It's...
Massive (huge system, lots of room in game and also for player expansion)
Multiplayer (options available, including Private Groups as well as Solo)
Online (duh... can't play it without an internet connection)

The point of contention always seems to be the available option for those who wish to participate in Solo- and in fact, they're correct, too.

You can in fact, play the content in game without encountering another player, ever.

So it's both and MMO and an (online) Single Player Game.

 

[Jockey79]

I'd have to agree that this game isn't really MMO in the traditional sense, but it's definitely a hybrid in makeup. It's unique in the mode system, which groups the entirety of a player base but then divides it down into categories.

It's...
Massive (huge system, lots of room in game and also for player expansion)
Multiplayer (options available, including Private Groups as well as Solo)
Online (duh... can't play it without an internet connection)

The point of contention always seems to be the available option for those who wish to participate in Solo- and in fact, they're correct, too.

You can in fact, play the content in game without encountering another player, ever.

So it's both and MMO and an (online) Single Player Game.

I thought it was unique at first, but turns out it's not.
Warframe, Shroud of the Avatar, Star Trek Online (for mission areas), Champions Online (for mission areas), Guild Wars 2 (for mission areas and some dungeons) all have selective multiplayer modes.
They are all also games with lots of instancing.

So it turns out, selective mode systems are being used more and more.
Even Star Citizen is going to be instanced, with a slider to increase / decrease how many people you see (as well as having private servers away from the main game).

The power is being transferred to the gamers, for them to decide who to play with. What a great time to be a gamer

 

[Dietger]

Hi That90skid, your [up]REP option is missing. You're the bad guy here, dude? Done something evil? And your p.message folder is full. So here goes: REP to you for(trying) to argue here, That90skid.

As to: Why(ever) trade in Open? Well, you don't have to, right? Switch modes, as you see fit, game the game, win. Go back to the "ALL GROUP" once your set and accomplished. No risk, high reward.

Logic implies, Frontier managed to cheat their own creation, linking Private groups and Open play the "ALL group". Avoidance behaviour. Open PVE (mode) as suggested by some, linked into the same Universe is an even better option,
to hurt Open. No, private groups are fine. Nothing bad about it. Even Open PVE would be OK, really not my cup of coffee, but if you must....Frontier should cut the cheaters out of the equation.

Make no mistake, cutting the community into ever smaller pieces, will lastly ruin Elite.
I advise Frontier to strengthen Open.
Keep your "privates" to yourself, don't mess with Open.