Yes. It'll be a new version, called Elite: More Bugs.
Will the 2020 ED build move away from peer to peer?
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Oh I'm sure you're on top of it, I just have followed Znort on a number of techy threads. My apologies. I appreciate you calling out Planetside as an example. I hope we get to see some central server dimension to Elite, even in a limited hybrid format.
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Not split/separated, but split/reparted. Amazon servers is pretty much your standard multiplayer 4ish FPS regions. They have no farms in oceans or the center of the earth. Not yet.
Doesn't look like standard 4ish FPS regions to me. A great spread around the major gamer-population centres. This information is easily accessible on Amazon's website.
Any networking between players, be it P2P, Client-Server, or hybrid between them, is limited by traveling using existing fibre connections at light-speed (at best). Using the global internet infrastructure to its fullest is the best way for games to ensure they meet the requirements off the vast majority of players. Hybrid is the best of all options.
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I'm not so sure. Think of how many stations there are in ED, vs. how many players. Even if EVERY player were online at once and in a station, there won't be that many players in YOUR station, probably only a few or less.
the playerbase is already split in regions, it's just 'transparent', matchmaking creates new regions on the fly by selecting connections.
with a server/node shared approach you can leave that decision to the player, which is good imo. these topographic constraints will be there for a while and there seems not much way around it for now, be it server side or p2p. yes there are networks optimized for this which can be used. yes they would scale easier than p2p. but most of all they would (could) radically alter the virtual world of elite by providing a consistent, controlled environment. but ...
this. this is a first level requirement, and i'm pretty much afraid it's a done deal.
Very much agreed.
This is completely valid. I believe a good compromise would be to limit central servers to popular locations (Sol, Shin, Engineers, etc.) and CGs. P2P is probably adequate for the rest of space.
Yeah, agreed, I suspect there will be hot spots/hubs like there are for systems already, Shinrarta, Eravate, etc.
P2P has its problems, but I think it's actually a good way of implementing a game like this.
It is my unrealistic hope that they toss the current implementation and start from scratch. Of course, they can reuse assets and code where valid, but it is my unobtainable wish that they restart with proper design, change management, and efficient development.
This will never happen, unfortunately. It would not be time nor cost effective.
This will never happen, unfortunately. It would not be time nor cost effective.
Wow! I don't know what it is you're smokin' but I want some of it. The pink sky, blue bunny world you're livin' in must be one happy, happy place!
Smoking and drinking some more and I see this:
After this long nobody wants to start paying money for central servers
Peer to peer nets can set the instance creation requirements higher to eliminate those with potatoes and bizarro net connections from creating rubber band lagfests.
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If they were any smart, they'd have long moved from a pure (unreliable) P2P Instancing with only rudimentary Server Support to a Scenario-based Client/Server-based Instancing augmented by P2P.
Meaning :
- classic low random Traffic (the bulk of all Instancing) remains at it is : P2P
BUT
Outcome of Quality : Very High
All of a sudden MultiCrew, Wings and Events/Hotspots become reliable - all while coming at a severely minimized price tag. Minimum effort, Maximum outcome.
Meaning :
- classic low random Traffic (the bulk of all Instancing) remains at it is : P2P
BUT
- any Storyline-related or FDev-supported activities run with Server support, drastically increasing Instance size and reliability
- Wings and MultiCrew all gain Server support if the P2P QOS Telemetry indicates sub-par Instancing or requires a fallback
- any location with a high amount of Player presence gains temporary Server Support
- the isolated traffic or typical 2 or 3 strangers meeting in random places maintain the original P2P, drastically minimizing the need for Server capacity
- any temporary Instancing Hotspot, however, can attain the reliability and quality of a Client/Server architecture
- any FDev event or FDev-supported event will attain the reliability and quality of a Client/Server architecture
Outcome of Quality : Very High
All of a sudden MultiCrew, Wings and Events/Hotspots become reliable - all while coming at a severely minimized price tag. Minimum effort, Maximum outcome.
Cheap fiber-to-the-home for all!
that'll solve our problems.
that'll solve our problems.
Elite: Spriggins in SpaceNew Era will be an offline, story-based, single player game that maintains a 'blaze your own trail' open world.
With the greatest of respect, nobody in the industry gives the slightest of craps about Star Citizen, other than as a source for running jokes around the water cooler. Besides, according to CIG's own roadmap they are hoping for Sq42 end of 2020, after which they'll refocus on SC in 2021. There is a no release date, but some are hopeful it might go in beta in 2022, and be launched in 2023. It seems unlikely though, and if anything a 2024-2025 window seems the best you can hope for.
The idea that FD, or any company, is going to sit on commercially viable content, and let it just grow old and outdated in their basement, just on the off-chance that one day/decade Star Citizen might actually be released is bizarre. Absolutely bizarre.
Totally agreed, so, as FDev realized this, maybe 1 or 2 years ago, they changed their strategy and released Beyond as a foundation and announced 2020 awesomeness. And in this view of things all low communications in the past makes sense and becomes understandable.
