Will we ever see base building in Elite?
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You are correct. I put forward the theory that no-one knows the internet very well, if at all.You don't know the Internet very well
There was a time on this forum when people would discuss if Frontier should remake FFE or devote their time solely to makng Elite IV. And the crux of that debate was whether or not re-making FFE would take development time away from Elite IV.
So here we are today, discussing a feature Frontier know the community to some extent would like to have in Elite Dangerous, and yet we are still wasting time and pixels trying to convince either you or me or Frontier to make it happen.
So why is discussing it a problem? I can give you two reasons without even thinking about it, first Frontier have stated it is not on the roadmap. As I said, this means two things, they know about the suggestion and they are not pursuing it at this time. And secondly, do you want Frontier to a) Make the features they are making as good as possible, b) fix bugs that they should have fixed already or c) devote dev time to a feature they have already decided not to pursue at this time. Because you can't have all three of those options.
NO IT'S A FORUM WHERE PEOPLE DISCUSS THINGS.
ps - better change your avatar, since "making Elite what it isn't" is taboo.
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I still don't understand where the harm in talking about this stuff is
so we should not discuss this at all?
out of your second point of what do people want frontier to do, I'd imagine there's a mix of wanting any one of those and not all wanting 1 thing
so what if its not on the road map? maybe it's something that can be bumped up with enough "suggestions" cos that's all these threads are, not a demand, not an order to prioritise above another
maybe we should all try not shatting on every suggestion even if it is a repeated one, I'm sure the moderators will lock and point to the relevant thread if its needed
so we should not discuss this at all?
out of your second point of what do people want frontier to do, I'd imagine there's a mix of wanting any one of those and not all wanting 1 thing
so what if its not on the road map? maybe it's something that can be bumped up with enough "suggestions" cos that's all these threads are, not a demand, not an order to prioritise above another
maybe we should all try not shatting on every suggestion even if it is a repeated one, I'm sure the moderators will lock and point to the relevant thread if its needed
Yeh, didn't spot that...
A touch hypocritical... This is comparable to discussions about interiors (which, for Alien's benefit, I'm all for too... Despite there being no set plans for it)
The irony is the ship interior theory crafting discussions get exactly the same negative reactions for the same reasons.
I'll never understand it.
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Not hypocritical at all.
Sigh ... ok, I'll humour you and justify it, but I know you're going to attack me over it, but here goes ...
We already have ship interiors, the cockpit. What we lack is the ability to move around those interiors. Frontier are putting in station interiors, my avatar (which I didn't create) is asking that Frontier don't have a fade to black and appear outside as the only option, because it's stupid.
As you point out, with regards to ship interiors Frontier have said it's not going to happen right now (I am not sure their exact wording without looking it up, so am hesitant to say "not on the roadmap"). The difference though is base building is not the same as ship interiors, asking for base building is like asking Frontier to put Planet Coaster game mechanics into Elite, whereas asking Frontier for ship interiors we can move around in is like asking for station interiors on ships.
So, no ... not hypocritical at all.
Back to discussing base building (ship interiors is a different thread).
Something stuck on a planet somewhere I could see being as cheap as a Cutter if small and useless enough, anything in orbit especially if big enough to be useful is more likely to be a couple of billion.
I personally don’t see the attraction of owning a base that most of the time I am playing the game is going to be nowhere near what I am currently doing or am interested in.
I also dislike the idea because it will encourage people to think they are individually significant in the events of the galaxy.
We already have asset ownership too.
You're just trying to justify yourself now, it's getting a bit obvious.
Especially when I say "I'll justify it for you"
Not trying to at all, I have ... in fact ... done so. So ner
I will, however, change my avatar back to what it was.
Why would you do that?
I just don't get your motivation whatsoever. It's like a bunch of mates chatting in a pub and some others join in. If they join in and add to the discussion, disagreement or agreement, it's possible they'd be able to have a discussion like adults. Much more likely if they actually talk about the topic, not just why the topic is pointless or "I don't want it so no..."
But if they just wade over and shout (you used caps) "WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT?"
Just... Why? Who actually thinks it's sensible to do that?
Are you trolling?
Seriously ... what's the problem now?
We (generalisation) were discussing base building, I (in caps) comment "STOP DISCUSSING IT" (or words to that effect), you comment "Why not? You hypocrite", I explain why I think I'm not a hypocrite and that should be the end of it ... but you're still complaining.
Stop trolling, and return to discussing base building .... how many times have you seen a moderator state "Stop with the personal attacks and discuss the thread topic"?
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I'd argue that he's been trolled (by you), and would be better off just adding you to his ignore list so that he can focus on the topic at hand. Speaking of...
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I think it's normal for someone not to be interested and that's fair enough. I'm not interested in cataloguing plants either. I know some might be. So good for them and bring it on.
Just don't get this last thing at all... We already have permanent owned assets that are basically the same thing. Essentially, player owned stations.
Why would their location make this any worse for you? If you're honest, really honest, are you sure it's not just because you aren't interested and actually just prefer it if fdev don't do stuff you're not interested in?
I guess you don't own a carrier? I'm thankful fdev didn't agree with you on your last point. They're so fun to use in my experience. Not for everyone but...
Is that enough reason not to add something? It's not for everyone?
When did I attack you personally? I'm sorry if you feel it's personal but it's not intended that way. I can only respond to you though, you're the one asking why we talk about it
If you think it's OK to question the very reason someone discusses something, expect that to be challenged right back.
Respectfully, you don't hold the position to tell anyone what they shouldn't talk about. You can try to but I'm not sure why you'd expect a positive response.
Pointing out the irony of your question for its obvious hypocritical nature isn't a personal attack. Saying your comments are hypocritical isn't personal. Being just a bit miffed because you think it's acceptable to passive aggressively tell us to stop talking about something is pretty natural. I'd challenge it no matter who it was, it's not personal.
I'll admit it's massively off topic though. And agree that your criticism of the topic and our discussing it has had the obvious result of derailing it. It's not for me to say what you can or can't say but I'd be surprised if a non moderator questioning the validity of a topic is ever going to result in useful discussion. Somewhat irritatingly, it appears that specific behaviour is tolerated here.
If you disagree, that's your right. Best thing I can do is forget about it and stop replying. I'd just suggest you think about how you'd feel if someone told you to stop taking about ship interiors or told you to delete your avatar.
No matter the justification, who does it help?
Edit: I forgot to mention, calling someone a troll is an attack. Feels pretty personal, too.
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I can see no need, personally, for building a base somewhere (I do have a FC, so my 'base' is wherever my CMDR is) in ED - I do have NMS and heaps of bases there becaue of telportation and several galaxies - but can see that others feel the need...
We have been told, by the Devs, that base-building isn't on the roadmap - but that doesn't exclude talking about them
We have been told, by the Devs, that base-building isn't on the roadmap - but that doesn't exclude talking about them
Every time people shoot down ideas based on "I don't like [insert optional gameplay], therefore nobody should have it" arguments, I'm reminded of one of my early suggestions to this forum, a supercruise autopilot:
FDev, I want Autopilot
I've posted this to so many threads that I think it deserves its own. Dear FDev, please consider giving us an autopilot for supercruise. Please, please, please, please. Here's how it should work: I arrive into a system, and I have to select my target station and point at it like always. I then...
Notice all the similar arguments against this idea, made mostly by people who are now long gone, and more importantly, notice the "Supercruise Assist Module" in Outfitting the next time you play Elite - proof that just because naysayers say nay, this doesn't mean good ideas won't eventually make it into the game. Every good idea ever imagined has met resistance from those who lack vision.
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And of course Legs in Open / Solo / PG and ... ummm (legs ganking... possibly Spanking?)
Expect the usual drinking games when Legsploration is debated...