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This thread has convinced me to go back to Mobius. :/
With the implementation o NEW Karma e C&P - Will the Log timer go up? 15 secs is to low!
- Thread starter CMDR GTR2014
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When I log into open I'm not consenting to anything, I'm simply selecting a game mode that involves other players I'll decide how I react to them and they have no input in that. If I meet known cheats I'm leaving by high-wake or menu, cheats have no place in my game. If I meet gankers I'll take them on or evade depends on their competance, numbers and how I feel at the time. If I meet noobs I'll offer to wing up and give them a headstart in the game. Usually I'll just exchange an 07 and be on my way.
The only thing I'm consenting to is judging each individual by their actions, and making my choice as to playing a game with them.
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Play fair, and accept the consequences for your choices. FD gives us perfect ways to avoid unwanted PvP. We should use them.
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Diagnosing cheats is hard ingame but easy on the forum/reddit especially the complainy ones. I don't have a KOS but I do have known cheater list.
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I'm afraid that we as individual customers simply don't have the level of power you describe.
Whether we are willing to acknowledge it, or not, every time we launch Frontier's game we do give Frontier a series of consents, which include:
- Not to hack
- Not to combat log
- Not to be abusive
- Not to harass
If we then spot a Cmdr that we consider doesn't pass our personal test of moral worth, and we therefore (for some reason) followed them around hurling racist abuse at them, we will very soon find our accounts have been banned.
Similarly if we kept activating a shield hack when we encountered somebody we didn't like, we'd very soon be banned.
The only reason some users feel able to say on this forum that they have/will combat log is because they don't believe that Frontier polices that aspect of the rules of the game with the same vigour Frontier doubtless applies to racist abuse or hacking.
Try saying on this forum (example not directed at you personally) that you regularly use racist abuse and shield hacks in game (with linked video) and see what happens to your game account the next day.
We don't have any power here. Frontier could shadow ban any one of us for combat logging tomorrow (if guilty) and there's literally nothing we could do about it.
In the circumstances, saying that we will take our own decisions as we please is patently false illusory self-empowerment. We're only taking the decisions the Developers permit us to take.
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That makes sense and I've never clogged before and would never consider it against a non-cheat, I run no-armour builds (I like speed) on everything so I'm an expert at performing the Sir Robin manouvre.
But I like to stick two fingers up at cheats and will not play games with them, and clogging would seem to be a funny way of doing that. In the same way I used to bypass pre speed limit station letterbox rammers in solo sending them sarcastic messages from outside then from inside the station. Which often resulted in reportable comm hilarity.
We all know I won't get banned so why not.
To paraphrase: the cheat you use is nasty. The cheat I use is fine and dandy, because I'm me.
In a game where we all share the same persistent universe, I truly detest cheating behavior and rationalizing. That rationalizing is how we ended up with so many god roll exploiters, for instance.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
It's incorrect paraphrasing.
I will not play a game with cheats, nothing remotely controversial there at all.
Bans and other administrative punishments are made for those with such rationales. Frontier will certainly have to step up enforcement of their rules if they want them to be followed.
Personally, avoiding punishment isn't my motivation for following rules I've agreed to.
How do you "know" when someone is a cheat? I only ask because I've been accused and reported of cheating/hacking in lots of games and I have never done so. It's always down to their lag/my lag or a strange non-meta synergy in my build that makes it OP.
If there's an "I agree to play fair even with cheats" clause anywhere I must have missed it.
Lets say with the implementation of karma there's a small negative karma hit for clogging, my white hat game style means I'll have plenty of positive karma to spare for an occaisional comedy "up yours cheater" clog with no negative repercussions.
I suppose I could wind up on a PVP group KOS list for it, but since the engineers cheat was mostly a PVP groups thing that would effectively save me the hassle of researching/finding the CMDR's I want to add to my block list anyway.
Win win.
Thats already been covered lovey, but since you missed it they can easily be ID'd when openly complaining about their punishments.
The clause is you're expected to follow the rules. You're expected to allow FD to administer their rules. Show me the clause that says it's alright for you to cheat, when you suspect someone else is cheating.
Well, you agree to follow the rules. There isn't an exception because someone else isn't.
If someone who is a known combat logger attacks you while you're disadvantaged, you still cheat by yanking the plug on them. The legitimate option in such a situation is to report them and, if any losses on your part were the direct result of cheating on their part, file a support ticket to have them restored.
You may not be punished by taking matters into your own hands with the path of least resistance, but becoming a cheater yourself is tacit acceptance of that behavior, while omitting the reports/support requests gives Frontier a pass as well.
Keep it as 15 seconds... BUT:-
1) Show the countdown to ALL CMDRs in the instance.
2) If the ship is hit, the first time increment the countdown by a further 15 seconds (to make a total of 30).
3) When the countdown reaches 0, automatically exit the game, do not ask the existing confirmation.
1) Show the countdown to ALL CMDRs in the instance.
2) If the ship is hit, the first time increment the countdown by a further 15 seconds (to make a total of 30).
3) When the countdown reaches 0, automatically exit the game, do not ask the existing confirmation.
If I see a known cheat the games over, I don't need to suspect they are cheating at the momment I see them if they were caught up in the recent punishment wave that's enough for me.
I do follow the rules that's why I've no interest in playing with cheats. I'm not looking to report them, I'm looking to add them all (if possible) to my block list.
I havent mentioned clogging as a cheat I'm talking about the engineers module cheat that went on for a year among the less honourable players. Clogging is nowhere near as bad as that, especially in a game with no functional C&P system and free rides for murder-hobo's. Under those circumstances clogging is arguably a sensible thing to do. For me it would be a pain as I'd have to get up then reach behind the fishtank without scaring my elderly shrimp, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it irritates a cheat the last time he'll see me in game (if the block function really does work now).
This is all just hiding behind an opportunity. This opportunity offers you the veil of morality, except you dash it by cheating yourself. I won;t spend anymore time trying to unwind your self-serving moralizing. You're a cheat, just like those you dodge. I have zero time for you.
I don't agree that an illegitimate combat log is a reasonable course of action in such a situation, or most any situation really. Last week I lost my Corvette to the skimmer bug and had time realize what was going on and what was about to happen. I could have saved myself and Frontier quite a bit of trouble by cheating my way out of it...but I don't want them to be spared any trouble for a mistake on their part, so I filed reports and tickets instead. The more aware they are of a problem, and the more cases they have to correct, the more likely they are to fix them.
As far as the module cheat goes, how do you know who has been abusing it or not? If they admitted to it, you can report them for it. If not you'd have to assume, and it would be a shaky assumption as there are plenty of people with extreme degrees of engineering obtained entirely legitimately. I currently happen to spend about 75% of my in-game time tooling around in a Federal Corvette with approximately one-thousand G5 engineer rolls spent on it...and not a single one of them from an exploit, nor utilizing materials gained via exploits...indeed some of the rolls spent on her are from the days when they required three times as many materials as well as commodities. If our CMDRs came across each other in game on less than friendly terms and it was obvious that the ship I was using was tweaked to the extreme, would you automatically assume I had cheated to get there rather than simply spent ~800 hours tuning her and even longer learning to fly her?
I don't have a problem with it being shown as part of the hud in any ship that has targeted the exiting player, and it seems there is no objection to moving the confirmation to the start of the timer.
However the timer must give a predictable time in which the game will end or it will simply encourage the use of Alt-F4 to end the task. Not every player uses their own PC, pays their own bills, lives in their own house etc. Extending the timer to 30secs would be okay by me, subject to a few caveats & ongoing review.
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Unless you got caught with naughty modules it'll never apply to you or any other legit player, if you did get caught with naughty modules then good riddance.