Would anyone accept a general leopard?

My ranking of preferences would be:
1. We get both Amur and African leopards.
2. We get only one leopard. (I'd prefer Amur in that case, but would take any.)
3. A generic leopard

I would "accept" it, because it means at least we have a leopard! But it would probably feel wrong and be disappointing, since they look sufficiently different and come from vastly different environments, which imo would warrant the inclusion of both in the game.
 
I would "accept" it, because it means at least we have a leopard! But it would probably feel wrong and be disappointing, since they look sufficiently different and come from vastly different environments, which imo would warrant the inclusion of both in the game.
This is generally what I'm expecting from most people; that any leopard is a leopard but a generic leopard will never be the first choice.
 
My ranking of preferences would be:
1. We get both Amur and African leopards.
2. We get only one leopard. (I'd prefer Amur in that case, but would take any.)
3. A generic leopard

I would "accept" it, because it means at least we have a leopard! But it would probably feel wrong and be disappointing, since they look sufficiently different and come from vastly different environments, which imo would warrant the inclusion of both in the game.
I’m kinda the opposite - Amur and African are my least wanted, since we already have large cats from both regions. I’d much prefer any of Arabian, Persian or even Indian since those regions have relatively fewer species.
 
I'd rather have only one leopard. We have so many animals still missing (monkeys, birds, small mammals, South American and Australian fauna, etc etc), and the big cat roster is already so full, that I feel two subspecies would be too much.

I'm in the minority here, but if we have only one leopard I'd take the generic species ; this way I could sneak it both in African and Asiatic areas, both in Jungle and Savannah biomes, etc etc. I'm still kinda sad about only having the Himalayan brown bear instead of the generic subspecies, which means I can't really put it in a European area in my zoos.
 
But I think the Amur leopard with cold weather preference would be better as we only have 3-4 cat species which live in cold weather (Lynx, siberian tiger, snow leopard and Puma) and there are not so much other realistic options. At the moment we have 5-6 species of warm weather cats (lion, jaguar, clouded leopard, cheetah, bengal tiger and also puma) but the realistic further 3 cats we could get (ocelot, carcal and serval) also live in warmer regions.
There aren't many more cold weather cats anyway, unless we start having smaller species like Pallas cat.

IMHO the only really good choice would be the Persian leopard, any other subspecies would feel too repetitive, we have lots of "spotted cats" and Asian cats in PZ. Amur leopard overlaps a lot with snow leopard (Asian, spotted, cold) and with Siberian tiger, African kinda overlaps with African big cats and is not common in captivity, and Asian jungle leopards overlap a lot with clouded leopard and jaguar. Persian would give us a temperate-desert big cat and from a region with a severe lack of animals in PZ, is endangered and common in captivity as Amur and feels more versatile to feel like other leopard subspecies.
And a general leopard species wouldn't look right, given how lions and tiger are in the game.
 
This is potentially going to be a bit controversial….but….this debate seems to be driven by an element of ‘prioritisation’. I suspect that no one would object to multiple Leopard species out of anything other than the point that the second Leopard subspecies would likely mean one less other animal. But I’d be interested why it wouldn’t be possible for Frontier to deliver more new animals if they go down a ’multiple subspecies’ route in some cases. No doubt they would need to do some work to have different requirements for the different subspecies (taiga versus tropical versus grassland etc) and also some extra work for the look of the animal (thicker fur etc as per the great pictures on this thread). But Leopard behaviours are pretty consistent across subspecies, so it’s not really double the design work.

I like the new things with each release but I still feel limited by the animal choices - especially in franchise mode. I’d like the ability to be more selective on the subspecies of various animals and feel that Frontier could increase the animal choices relatively quickly by investing a small amount of (relative) time there.

Not trying to be ungrateful for a very good game - but feels like there is more choice for the building element than the actual animals themselves to some degree.
Personally speaking, having a Leopard at this point in PZ’s development isn’t a priority to me (there’s probably not a huge DLC roster left and there’s other more unique animals I’d prioritize). This comment does bring up an interesting point though.

At this point in PZ’s lifespan, there likely isn’t going to be any major, game-changing features coming, but what if subspecies were handled differently in a hypothetical PZ2. Prehistoric Kingdom (which will have its public release this month, I encourage you all to look into it!) has taken the route to provide each in-game “species” with a few variants. For example, PK will feature an Edmontosaurus and count it as technically one animal inclusion within the overall roster, but the Edmontosaurus will actually have three different species variants you can select from. So in-game you’d have the overarching “Edmontosaurus” category and really have three different Edmontosaurus species, Edmontosaurus regalis, Edmontosaurus annectens, and Edmontosaurus kuukpikensis. All three Edmontosaurus species will also be physically distinct with unique in-game needs. A system like this could be really interesting and useful in a zoo simulation game (a la PZ2 possibly?)

In a hypothetical PZ2, we could have the overarching Leopard species category, and within it have a few variant subspecies to select from. Like in PK, each subspecies could also have physical differences and distinct needs. This would be the perfect solution for PZ’s current issue with subspecies. To this day, people still want to see their personal favorite subspecies in PZ, but also aren’t likely to get them as the game has a very limited roster. For example, there’s been multiple threads opened on these forums for a re-working/diversifying of a number of PZ’s species, but we aren’t likely to see anything happen. For example, a number of people have requested a Eurasian-specific Grey Wolf/Brown Bear subspecies, but Frontier isn’t going to likely do anything about these requests as that would require taking up a slot in a future, limited DLC roster. The larger community would likely rather have a Wolverine in a DLC over an additional Grey Wolf or Brown Bear. But what if subspecies were implemented in a way where they didn’t effect/count towards the game’s overall roster, like PK has done? PK will have its Early-Access release sometime this month with 22 initial species that count towards the roster, but in reality will have many more species & subspecies (and the official roster will also expand in the future through multiple, free updates).

There’s so many instances a system like this would be useful in a modern zoo game. A “Leopard” species category could be implemented into the roster, and within this one roster inclusion there could a few subspecies to select from. The same could be said for a number of other species with iconic/distinct subspecies, like the Asian Elephant, Brown Bear, Grey Wolf, Tiger, Lion, Takin, Plains Zebra, etc.
 
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I would definitely not accept general leopard. It has to be a specific subspecies or they need to add more than just one.

Anniversary animal seems to be a great moment to smuggle a clone animal like this that would be different enough from the nominal species just like lemur was.

So we could get one leopard in the dlc and the other one as the anniversary animal - that would be the most reasonable in my opinion.

Leopards are staple zoo species and not having them in the game makes it totally incomplete. I am tired of listening to the opinions that we already have a lot of big cats - we do but we still don’t have the leopard though 🤷🏽
 
Anniversary animal seems to be a great moment to smuggle a clone animal like this that would be different enough from the nominal species just like lemur was.
Giving away a clone of a DLC animal would likely affect sales of the DLC, and/or make those who bought it feel a bit ripped up off (having paid for something that everyone else effectively gets for free) especially for an animal that would likely be the flagship of the DLC.
 
We have basically every big cat we need except for the leopard. The situation isn't the same for primates - we have all the apes we need, but we still lack a baboon, a gibbon, a tamarin, some bigger south american monkey at least to have a decent representation.
 
I was today at the zoo having a nice time watching the Amur leopard and couldn't help think about this thread when I saw this sign:

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I'd be happy with any leopard and would love to get two, but if I must choose, I'd go for the Amur leopard. It's understandable that some people think jaguars and leopards are similar animals, so the Amur would be the most different from the jaguar not only in appearance but also in requirements/biomes. In any case, no matter which one is chosen, please Frontier don't forget to add an enrichment tree where they can rest with a hanging leg 🙏.
 
Absolute worst case would be a repeat of the "timber" wolf debacle. As in, making a mostly generic leopard, calling it the Amur leopard (or whatever), and giving it a wide continental/biome distribution.
The timber wolves have it worse than what you described.
Their biomes only represent the cold climate subspecies.
Wanna present an Arabian, Indian or Mexican wolf? Too bad because they look entirely different than the thing that’s meant to represent them (I’ll probably get hate for this, but more different than the difference between any leopard subspecies) and without the ability to use grassland/desert plants.
 
Giving away a clone of a DLC animal would likely affect sales of the DLC, and/or make those who bought it feel a bit ripped up off (having paid for something that everyone else effectively gets for free) especially for an animal that would likely be the flagship of the DLC.
I wouldn’t feel ripped up at all. I would be happy we would get even more and for free but I can see your point here.
 
personally I'd prefer the amur leopard not just because it is the most visually distinct subspecies, but also because we only have two North Asian animals ( Red-Crowned Crane and Siberian Tiger) at the moment, unless you count the animals that have massive ranges across Eurasia like the moose and lynx, and it's probably the area most underrepresented right now in the game because of that.
 
personally I'd prefer the amur leopard not just because it is the most visually distinct subspecies, but also because we only have two North Asian animals ( Red-Crowned Crane and Siberian Tiger) at the moment, unless you count the animals that have massive ranges across Eurasia like the moose and lynx, and it's probably the area most underrepresented right now in the game because of that.
The Middle East is less well represented than the northern Asian region overall and already has two cats (three, counting the lynx). Persian leopard helps to fill the gap in the Middle East.
 
We have basically every big cat we need except for the leopard. The situation isn't the same for primates - we have all the apes we need, but we still lack a baboon, a gibbon, a tamarin, some bigger south american monkey at least to have a decent representation.
This is how I feel too. We do have a lot of felines, absolutely. But a true leopard is still needed. It's not like people are asking for another dozen cats, 90% of the requests for another feline are about getting a leopard.
 
The Middle East is less well represented than the northern Asian region overall and already has two cats (three, counting the lynx). Persian leopard helps to fill the gap in the Middle East.
North Asia has only two cats, counting the lynx. Snow Leopards are Central and South Asian.

And true, the middle east doesn't have very good rep, but most of its large animals are either just variants of pre-existing animals (Syrian brown bear, Asiatic Cheetah, Arabian oryx, etc.), or could pretty easily be put into another pack without dedicating a whole pack to the middle east (Dromedary and Hamadryas baboon). The only real exception I could have seen is the fallow deer, but we got that in the Europe pack for some reason, so I don't see a Persian leopard as particularly easy to make use of in most zoos, and find it pretty unlikely to show up in a regions pack. Maybe it could show up in like, a mountain pack, but even then, I think there are some much bigger names people would want out of a mountain pack first before a Persian leopard.
 
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