Oh yes, that's another on the list. How would I describe it? Making a profit by buying and selling in a single station?
Actually that was the only punishable exploit i remember happening since I started at the end of 2018
Oh yes, that's another on the list. How would I describe it? Making a profit by buying and selling in a single station?
Quibble harder baby I'm almost there.No, they regarded it as issue.
And nobody was punished for using it
However, that was not the case for Rockforth fertilizer that was regarded as a Unintended Exploit and after it was fixed, people that used it had their money taken back (actually more than they got, because of SLF crew wages )
Edit: So i guess we have the answer... if it's regarded, by FD, as an Exploit, it is also punishable.
Quibble harder baby I'm almost there.
^^ this is vv important. There is a difference in using cheats in a controlled environment, like singleplayer and co-op for FUN, keyword FUN, doing dumb like anti-gravity and guns that shoot chickens, and using word.exe in a CSGO Tournament and ruining the name OF YOUR COUNTRY, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY YOU REPRESENT, NIKHIL!!!I truly feel sorry for those who feel the need to cheat. Their lives become a means to an end instead of experience itself.
Would you use an exploit?
Are there any things that you consider ok that others consider an exploit?
What is “too much”?
Does it make a difference that it’s a multiplayer game?
What about exploits in other games?
benefit me at no cost to someone else
What's an exploit?
Point is, if it's not against the rules that means it is permitted.
if it's regarded, by FD, as an Exploit, it is also punishable.
FD called the EGG an ISSUE, it's in the patch notes here on the forums. Nobody was punished for using it - it was just another gold rush (a major one, indeed)
As I already established, exploits are morally neutral player behavior that is defined by players doing things that are not anticipated nor intended by the developers. However, exploits often become emergent gameplay. FDev does not need to establish what is an exploit. That is an independent judgment that carries no authority. It is merely calling a spade a spade. They do have the authority to establish bannable or otherwise improper player behavior. Those are two entirely different things, though any individual instances of player behavior may belong in both categories. FDev has shown a penchant for seizing onto that unexpected player behavior and using it to foster emergent gameplay opportunities. In closing, old school mission board flipping was scummy behavior that was literally crashing the game's servers and making everyone's gameplay experience worse. FDev did not ban for it, but they fixed the exploit. Banability does not define an exploit.
Would you use an exploit?
Are there any things that you consider ok that others consider an exploit?
What is “too much”?
Does it make a difference that it’s a multiplayer game?
What about exploits in other games?
As we did last time, here's some of the Lave Radio Crew's initial thoughts...
Ben
- I'd not use an exploit in multiplayer games
- My take on an exploit in Elite, is probably far stronger than most peoples... I wont even do some acts that are potentially against the intent of the Developers... For example, back when the game was 1st released, Rare Trading allowed you to make ridiculous credits and so many of the early community made bank with it. I considered it an exploit and deliberately didn't do it. Frontier obviously nerfed Rare Trading to what we have today and no actions were taken against cmdrs who partook. Similarly I've not joined in on the Long Distance Passenger Mission Rush and so on!
- I am not however whiter than white!!! I will use cheat codes etc to my hearts content in Single Player Games, for example in the Mass Effect games and Cyber Punk 2077 I've added materials to my games because I just can't be bothered with that side of what they call game play!!! Also I was banned for a month from playing GTA because I got sick of modders in the PC port putting flaming toilets on people all the time, so I used a mod menu to remove them. Rock Star banned me and zero'd my game...
I was thinking more about the act itself in isolation, however given that this would be a time saver to allow me to get on with other things I take your point. Personally I look back on this as something that has cheapened the game, even if it's just a small amount, so I'm not recommending it or suggesting that there's a line which is OK for any actual exploits.I'd argue that such a thing is an inherent contradiction in any game that has explicit or implied, direct or indirect, competitive elements.
Only if it's been something to benefit me at no cost to someone else.....