I'd disagree, standard assassination missions are the worst of all, in terms of rep/hour, as they take so long to find anything in many cases, and have a high chance to break when the mission fork is offered- a really longstanding bug.
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Guide / Tutorial Yokai's guide to rank progression (reputation) and working around the seeming bugs
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I'd disagree, standard assassination missions are the worst of all, in terms of rep/hour, as they take so long to find anything in many cases, and have a high chance to break when the mission fork is offered- a really longstanding bug.
And I'd disagree with your disagree. With assassination missions, you can knock off about 5 in 45 minutes if they are all taken from the same system (there will be a lot of overlap) and the USSs really don't spawn as badly as say hunt pirate missions. So that gets you allied in 45 minutes (in theory). Getting allied with normal missions takes HOURS, even an entire day with larger factions
And there is currently a trick to avoiding the bug, which is to shoot the guy who offers you the alternative, as explained in my video.
But I guess until they are fixed, and the fact that they don't always spawn, doing a good mix is really the best option in any case
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He's not wanted, is he? I guess a 400 cr bounty is ok to be able to complete the mission.
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I'd recommend not to. If he's not wanted sure it's "only" 400cr, but the reputation drop from it is bigger and worse ! (From everything yokai said here it should be pretty obvious you have to be veeery careful not to lose reputation and do lotsa good works to be on the good side of people. Being bad is easier bu being good means you strive for perfection. Even a mis-aligned shot hurting some ally unintentionnaly gives you bad rep (even tho they did lessen the effects, it is still dangerous to fire continuously on peeps). As a side-note, if you see a "wanted" ally, don't shoot it. You might get money from the bounty, but you still lose reputation from he shooting a friend part.
The Dev team stated they want reputation to build up slow and decay fast, so there's that.
Also, there is no actual bug in those forks, you just have to carry on as if you did not meet the guy offering the alternative. WHen I was ou on a hunting pirate mission with 2/4 kills, someone asked me to kill authorities instead. all my counters were reset to 0 i nthe mission screens, but when I killed another pirate it went up to 3/4 again.
The Dev team stated they want reputation to build up slow and decay fast, so there's that.
Also, there is no actual bug in those forks, you just have to carry on as if you did not meet the guy offering the alternative. WHen I was ou on a hunting pirate mission with 2/4 kills, someone asked me to kill authorities instead. all my counters were reset to 0 i nthe mission screens, but when I killed another pirate it went up to 3/4 again.
Actually I'm pretty sure you don't lose rep for getting a bounty. The red arrow disappears once you pay your fine and I have heard this from various sources
And it IS bugged. If you get the alternative AFTER you've got the exact location then it doesn't bug. A very few people are still able to find him by luck otherwise, but 99% of people are reporting hours of searching fruitlessly and it's a know official bug.
And finally, you are talking about hunting missions, only assassination missions are bugged and mentioned here
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I'm ranking up in Federation.
Currently Warrant Officer and recently become Allied with the Feds in general, therefore all minor factions display Allied too.
Now I've read previous posts in this thread about turning in a mission to see your real minor faction rep, however I've just done that in a fresh system with fresh minor factions and it still tells me Allied.
So I'm guessing something must've changed in a recent update?
If so I wont know when to move on to a fresh system to maximise my rep increases.
Maybe once you are Allied with a major faction now it doesn't matter how many missions you do for a minor faction you'll get the same amount of rep?
Or maybe I just need to guess, 10 missions maybe, before moving onto a new system?
Currently Warrant Officer and recently become Allied with the Feds in general, therefore all minor factions display Allied too.
Now I've read previous posts in this thread about turning in a mission to see your real minor faction rep, however I've just done that in a fresh system with fresh minor factions and it still tells me Allied.
So I'm guessing something must've changed in a recent update?
If so I wont know when to move on to a fresh system to maximise my rep increases.
Maybe once you are Allied with a major faction now it doesn't matter how many missions you do for a minor faction you'll get the same amount of rep?
Or maybe I just need to guess, 10 missions maybe, before moving onto a new system?
This answers many questions. Thanks Yokai.
It gets worse. Since the last patch, warzone mission are generally broken, too- they send you to a system with no sign of any warzone. It's discrimination against the warlike, I tells ye! It means I might as well do rep building in a trade-fitted clipper, as it has a better jump range than my Vulture.
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Same issue as Lori and Coastal, stuck at Lord in this with the same situation.. allied with EVERYONE. Is it just RNG ery?
Something must be wrong with all this missions to increase in range: I'm stuck as Warrant Office for longer than a week, doing continuous missions for minor and major faction and no progress.
When I reached the Warrant Officer title (Federation), I became allied with 1/3 of the Universe, ...well, at least with Federation and all their factions, minor and major, but no more progress for me. I tried any kind of missions: trade, slave carry, assasination, bounty hunter wiping, trade wiping, ....even cleaning up their space stations! At the end: nothing changes.
Of course I have plenty of invitations to Ross 189 (overhelming number of invitations for a poor simple pilot as me) and so on, and a lot of "Not available missions" with more invitations to Ross 189, but at then end the results is Rank Mission system seems to be broken: maybe devs are working hard on the revamp that will take place in 1.3 to the whole mission system, so time to be patient and forget about progressing our rank throught all this messy Imperial and Fed burocracy
When I reached the Warrant Officer title (Federation), I became allied with 1/3 of the Universe, ...well, at least with Federation and all their factions, minor and major, but no more progress for me. I tried any kind of missions: trade, slave carry, assasination, bounty hunter wiping, trade wiping, ....even cleaning up their space stations! At the end: nothing changes.
Of course I have plenty of invitations to Ross 189 (overhelming number of invitations for a poor simple pilot as me) and so on, and a lot of "Not available missions" with more invitations to Ross 189, but at then end the results is Rank Mission system seems to be broken: maybe devs are working hard on the revamp that will take place in 1.3 to the whole mission system, so time to be patient and forget about progressing our rank throught all this messy Imperial and Fed burocracy
Seriously people, please stop coming to this thread saying "this not working baaah". Read the first post (and others), try things and continue trying things ! I mean, I wanted to get to the highest rank in federation but after three weeks of nothing I said it and went to explore some sights 1KLY away. E Wasn't meant to be easy or fast. If you're tired of grinding reputation, maybe go Mining or something
If you're going to post here, please be it thanks to the OP because he helped you or constructive disccussion about current mecanism.
I'll state it again : What is written can be false. Let's see why :
When you do a mission for Minor Faction (A), you get good reputation (+A) with them but might decrease reputation with their ennemies (--B). If "A" is aligned with a MAJOR Faction (Alliance, Empire or Federation) you get a fraction of that good reputation with them (+MA). Important note : If "B" is allied with a MAJOR Faction you get decrease rep with that other MAJOR (--MB).
Now, because of that you might hit "Allied" Status with a MAJOR Faction without ever being Allied with MINOR Factions. Just proves you're friendly with a lots. BUT. This also means that as soon as a MAJOR Power thinks you're an Ally, every aligned Minor Faction will TREAT you AS an Ally . They will show green and maybe have "allied" next to their name in screens, but they're in fact NOT. They just give you the respect the higher ups ask them to give. Let's look at Federation : The feds like you, "the dukes of proxima centauri" (random name) are a federal minor faction... Friends of my boss are my friends. Capiche ? But who are you to the Dukes ? No one. Just a green card from fed space. If you want to get cozy in the dukes lounge, you gotta WORK for it. Oh and they'll tell the feds they like you... WHEN THEY DO !
So the fastest way to see where you're at with a faction is to take a random mission, do it and look at the reward charts. It will prompt your REAL Reputation Standing.
Now Rank mission are triggered by three things : Reputation with the MAJOR Faction, Randomness, and Reputation with a bunch of allied minor factions. It means that in my previous example, if both Minor are aligned with the same MAJOR, you are shooting yourself in the foot as you get "+MA and --MA". Remember Reputation decreases faster than it increases !
It is important to note that exploring and trading contributes to reputation (don't know how) and space fights do too. Don't get caught smuggling illegal goods, accidental shots make you lose rep, and most of all DO NOT ATTACK GREEN SHIPS. If you want to rank up, don't try to cash in on bounties placed on your allies. (makes sense not to shoot allies when you think about it... my trail of righteousness might not have been liked by the higher ups...). Every single mistep will cost you fifteen more steps to amend.
TL;DR : Get a faction aligned with the MAJOR Faction you want to get cozy with. Do a mission. Are you Allied at the end of that mission ? Yes ? good, ditch them and seek another Minor Faction to get cozy with. No ? Do missions until you're allied or until your eyes bleed (If your eyes start to bleed take time to think about your life choices). Only the mission reward screen can help you see your REAL Status. Rince and repeat to keep getting Allied with A LOT of Minor Factions. DO NOT DO ILLEGAL THINGS LIKE SHOOTING FRIENDS AND SMUGGLING. SMUGGLING IS BAD. SHOOTING FRIENDS IS FUN.
Eventually a rank up mission will pop out. (Some estimate it takes 15-20 minor factions being allied to you to get to highest rank)
Wasn't meant to be easy or fast. If you're tired of grinding reputation, maybe go Mining or something If you're going to post here, please be it thanks to the OP because he helped you or constructive disccussion about current mecanism.
I'll state it again : What is written can be false. Let's see why :
When you do a mission for Minor Faction (A), you get good reputation (+A) with them but might decrease reputation with their ennemies (--B). If "A" is aligned with a MAJOR Faction (Alliance, Empire or Federation) you get a fraction of that good reputation with them (+MA). Important note : If "B" is allied with a MAJOR Faction you get decrease rep with that other MAJOR (--MB).
Now, because of that you might hit "Allied" Status with a MAJOR Faction without ever being Allied with MINOR Factions. Just proves you're friendly with a lots. BUT. This also means that as soon as a MAJOR Power thinks you're an Ally, every aligned Minor Faction will TREAT you AS an Ally . They will show green and maybe have "allied" next to their name in screens, but they're in fact NOT. They just give you the respect the higher ups ask them to give. Let's look at Federation : The feds like you, "the dukes of proxima centauri" (random name) are a federal minor faction... Friends of my boss are my friends. Capiche ? But who are you to the Dukes ? No one. Just a green card from fed space. If you want to get cozy in the dukes lounge, you gotta WORK for it. Oh and they'll tell the feds they like you... WHEN THEY DO !
So the fastest way to see where you're at with a faction is to take a random mission, do it and look at the reward charts. It will prompt your REAL Reputation Standing.
Now Rank mission are triggered by three things : Reputation with the MAJOR Faction, Randomness, and Reputation with a bunch of allied minor factions. It means that in my previous example, if both Minor are aligned with the same MAJOR, you are shooting yourself in the foot as you get "+MA and --MA". Remember Reputation decreases faster than it increases !
It is important to note that exploring and trading contributes to reputation (don't know how) and space fights do too. Don't get caught smuggling illegal goods, accidental shots make you lose rep, and most of all DO NOT ATTACK GREEN SHIPS. If you want to rank up, don't try to cash in on bounties placed on your allies. (makes sense not to shoot allies when you think about it... my trail of righteousness might not have been liked by the higher ups...). Every single mistep will cost you fifteen more steps to amend.
TL;DR : Get a faction aligned with the MAJOR Faction you want to get cozy with. Do a mission. Are you Allied at the end of that mission ? Yes ? good, ditch them and seek another Minor Faction to get cozy with. No ? Do missions until you're allied or until your eyes bleed (If your eyes start to bleed take time to think about your life choices). Only the mission reward screen can help you see your REAL Status. Rince and repeat to keep getting Allied with A LOT of Minor Factions. DO NOT DO ILLEGAL THINGS LIKE SHOOTING FRIENDS AND SMUGGLING. SMUGGLING IS BAD. SHOOTING FRIENDS IS FUN.
Eventually a rank up mission will pop out. (Some estimate it takes 15-20 minor factions being allied to you to get to highest rank)
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I'm trying to correctly undestand your point, Kareen; in summary, in order to gain REAL rep with Feds, we need to increase rep with minor factions. Right?
No problem with that, but then I find a bit confusing the way to know the real "rep score", and maybe that is something that can be fixed by Devs. Because when I see the screens and the info provided, I feel that I'm loosing some info realted to the global scene and it makes it very difficult to trace your real progress, ....and precisely this confusion brings us to the debate about the system being or not broken (or "seem to", as I said).
As you say, if gaining is +1 and loosing is -15, probably some minor mistake that I did during my "grinding-rep" days will have had some bad influence in the total "rep score", so I will have to take -as you say- more steps to re-gain rep. Hopefully you are right, the system is working ok, and it's only a problem of misunderstanding of the game complex underlying rules of the reputation race. So, we will continue to ask and read this very useful thread (no matter who feels better or worse with our complains)
No problem with that, but then I find a bit confusing the way to know the real "rep score", and maybe that is something that can be fixed by Devs. Because when I see the screens and the info provided, I feel that I'm loosing some info realted to the global scene and it makes it very difficult to trace your real progress, ....and precisely this confusion brings us to the debate about the system being or not broken (or "seem to", as I said).
As you say, if gaining is +1 and loosing is -15, probably some minor mistake that I did during my "grinding-rep" days will have had some bad influence in the total "rep score", so I will have to take -as you say- more steps to re-gain rep. Hopefully you are right, the system is working ok, and it's only a problem of misunderstanding of the game complex underlying rules of the reputation race. So, we will continue to ask and read this very useful thread (no matter who feels better or worse with our complains)
I am also trying to get to Baron as I now have the cash for a Clipper. Yet, no matter where I go, I always seem to be Allied with every Empire faction/sub faction I find. I've not found a single one less than Allied and I'm stuck at Squire. Any ideas on how I can get to Baron cos I'm all out :/ I've been all over the Empire which has taken ages as I'm in a Vulture
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
I am also trying to get to Baron as I now have the cash for a Clipper. Yet, no matter where I go, I always seem to be Allied with every Empire faction/sub faction I find. I've not found a single one less than Allied and I'm stuck at Squire. Any ideas on how I can get to Baron cos I'm all out :/ I've been all over the Empire which has taken ages as I'm in a Vulture
Thanks in advance!
I litterally replied to this some posts above, mate
@Txakal : Exactly, yeah ! The actual system is obtuse at best (Power Play update Y U so far away ?), and I just now noticed some red and blue arrows of "influence" next to people I'm supposedly friendly with... Hope that liquor run didn't get me in trouble ! So onwards, more people to subjugate with my mad carrying skillz.
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Juggling Reputation sounds like even less fun than grinding RES zones in a Vulture to afford a Python.
Therefore, I'll just do the latter.
Currently grinding RES to afford a vulture
EDIT : well look here, a naval mission.
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