Update 14 and Beyond: Live and Legacy Modes

[Spaceman-FXL5]

Damn. As the second largest ASD squadron with 188 members in the game we will be losing around or more than 50 members since they can't get Odyssey or participate in the Live game now. Nearly no one of this group is going to drop 2k for new gaming PCs on this economy. Sad day for console BGS, CGs, and cool updates. Bye bye to a huge player base.

You may want to check other threads RE: GeforceNow as a cheaper option (£8.99 per month) to buying new gamin PC for ED4 and EDO.
Also Cmdr Buur has posted a video on 24/11/22 about this (neither Burr (as far as I know) or myself are sponsored by NVidia)
I use GeforceNow on Nvidia Sheild TV Pro (£180 one off purchase) or my old 2016 laptop.

 

[tanner1ie]

Yes. There are no achievements for ED on Steam or Epic.
They probably only exist on consoles because they're required by Sony and Microsoft.

Well as I said the X games when they're played on Steam have achievements, while that series is PC only (unfortunately!!) and has no connection to consoles and I highly doubt it's the only PC exclusive series with Steam achievements - I got the impression that they were included for every game on Steam and I don't know why some wouldn't have them...

MAYBE Elite does have them on Steam and you just missed them?!

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

For selling a program to a customer in Odyssey's condition, I would be fired and charged with damaging the company's image.

Hear, hear.

 

[Zaldo]

For selling a program to a customer in Odyssey's condition, I would be fired and charged with damaging the company's image.

Not even this but for selling an Update full of bugs and taking down the old working version if the customer doesen't want the new one

 

[Old Duck]

Just put 5 years upkeep on my PS FC.

Why? Genuinely curious.

 

[conan02]

And yet Frontier never had plans to produce a version for what is now the current generation of consoles. Try and squeeze Odyssey on old console hardware, completely discount new console hardware. It's a puzzle.

Packing Odyssey into old consoles is unlikely or even impossible - look what's on PC: even on average hardware it won't work. As a developer, I would aim for next-gen consoles. But who can know. Leaving a large group of console users out of support also makes no business sense, and forcing people to buy a PC is simply rude.
Edit: Best option would be: Fix PC Odyssey, optimize it for average gaming rig (i.e. GTX1080/GTX1660S and up), recompile for NextGen and after short period close 3.8 completely. Everybody will be happy.

 

[Zaldo]

even on average hardware it won't work.

Bad performance does not necessarily mean poor hardware. If you'd ever had a look on SIMS 4, you'd know what I mean.

 

[conan02]

Bad performance does not necessarily mean poor hardware. If you'd ever had a look on SIMS 4, you'd know what I mean.

I know well what's going. Code optimization is sometimes harder than write it.

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

Where to start?
I have a free 2nd FC and 2nd fleet ships from PS to PC transfer (as you do).
Major updates always introduce bugs, both minor and major.
AFAIK they have only backed out (restored software to pre-update) only ONCE, as it was unusable.
If this happens again and EDH4 or EDO become unplayable, due to update bugs introduced, I can revert to both my PS and PC accounts on EDH3.8 for foreseeable future, whilst FDev attempt to sort out the mess (awaiting U14, U15 and U16, minimum - What Can Possibly Go Wrong????).

Also, I don't care about any further progress in rank/credits on ANY account, as I (will) have many billions and 3 FC's and 3 Fleets and have still many things I want to do and see in this incredible and massive galaxy (only been playing since 2020 BTW with >7000 hours).


I will thus have the following clogging up the galaxy for 5 years - 1 FC exploring, 1 spare FC somewhere (probably PS FC) and 1 FC in and around bubble waiting to see what happens to storyline/CG's. Win/Win/Win I don't understand the moaners on forum.

 

[Clockdistrict]

I just had a really silly thought. This split means that console carriers will just be dead and taking up space within Live, as there would be physically no way for those CMDRs to move or do anything with those carriers unless they start the decommissioning process now, and good luck to those if they don't follow Fdev on Twitter or use the forums at all. Are there any plans from Fdev to clean up what is now literally going to be junk in the Live galaxy?

 

[Clockdistrict]

Just put 5 years upkeep on my PS FC.

Can you please consider decommissioning your carrier until the split happens? You'll just be taking up space doing nothing on Live.

 

[Zaldo]

I know well what's going. Code optimization is sometimes harder than write it.

I would bet the main issue is the codebase itself, which acts as kinda interpreter.

 

[SpookyRobbie]

Hear, hear.

Obviously things are operate differently in FDeV

Pro Tips from FDev
1. when you mess up so badly maintain a wall of silence.
2. occasionally throw a bone to keep the secret going.
3. As difficulties arise and continue blame technology and complex programming.
4. Divide and Ostracise.
5. Provide an Escape plan for the effected ostracised.
6. show the divided that they are special chosen ones with glitter and gold not broken.
7.Provide the ostracised false hope and promise.
8. Remind the divided that the new updates will be special not broken.
9. Introduce a new Legacy mode for the ostracised of back to basics.
10. Promise the divided no more focus will be on the ostracised and that them themselves will not suffer such unfortunate fait however ARC costs and potential paywalls, surprise mechanics maybe be for future releases.

missed anything ??

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I assume you meant "PvP server could be A NEW mode or modes"

The idea was, a separate server, open only, with its own BGS.

To go back, one of the objections raised to having such a separate BGS was that FD wouldn't do it. Now they have shown they can and will do it.

So, let the PvPers have their own playground where nobody is working against "their" BGS in PG or solo.

 

[tanner1ie]

I just had a really silly thought. This split means that console carriers will just be dead and taking up space within Live, as there would be physically no way for those CMDRs to move or do anything with those carriers unless they start the decommissioning process now, and good luck to those if they don't follow Fdev on Twitter or use the forums at all. Are there any plans from Fdev to clean up what is now literally going to be junk in the Live galaxy?

Unless they decide to/can spend €2,000 on PC that can run Odyssey/"Live" mode, or even want to play on PC, or "God" forbid Frontier shock us all and release the game in full on next gen consoles, indeed yes I believe those carriers will sit there doing nothing until they're either "rescued" by their owners or their upkeep runs out and they're decommissioned!

 

[tanner1ie]

The idea was, a separate server, open only, with its own BGS.

To go back, one of the objections raised to having such a separate BGS was that FD wouldn't do it. Now they have shown they can and will do it.

So, let the PvPers have their own playground where nobody is working against "their" BGS in PG or solo.

Maybe that, but why not have separate PvE and PvP modes sharing the same BGS, like we always shared the same BGS on different platforms - those anyone really care that much about the BGS that they need their separate one, just because they won't be able to shoot at people they don't like IF we were lucky enough to get separate models?!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Maybe that, but why not have separate PvE and PvP modes sharing the same BGS, like we always shared the same BGS on different platforms - those anyone really care that much about the BGS that they need their separate one, just because they won't be able to shoot at people they don't like IF we were lucky enough to get separate models?!

The point is there is a group of PvPers who state that the BGS and other activities should be open only. Powerplay, community goals, etc. Anything where anything can be competitive should be open only, because in their minds the only real competition is via PvP. PvE competition isn't real competition and somehow not right or cheating. They complain about how people can work the BGS (or powerplay, or do CGs) from the safety of PG/solo, because it means they can't pew-pew them to "win".

So, if FD said, here you go, your own separate open only server, your own BGS, your own powerplay, your own CGs, go to it!

And they should be happy right? Right?

Mainly i'd just love FD to do it and wait for the caterwauling how hardly anyone plays on this server and open is empty and no point doing anything and nobody to shoot.

 

[Zaldo]

The point is there is a group of PvPers who state that the BGS and other activities should be open only

Sounds nice, but is definitely not the reason for the galaxy split. The Kingfisher incident tells me FD is going to blow up the bubble in four days and leve 3.8ers with the rubble...

 

[Julissa Silver]

Mainly i'd just love FD to do it and wait for the caterwauling how hardly anyone plays on this server and open is empty and no point doing anything and nobody to shoot.

Oh, oh! I've got five credits towards making it happen. Anyone else in?

 

[Star Wanderer]

Packing Odyssey into old consoles is unlikely or even impossible - look what's on PC: even on average hardware it won't work. As a developer, I would aim for next-gen consoles. But who can know. Leaving a large group of console users out of support also makes no business sense, and forcing people to buy a PC is simply rude.
Edit: Best option would be: Fix PC Odyssey, optimize it for average gaming rig (i.e. GTX1080/GTX1660S and up), recompile for NextGen and after short period close 3.8 completely. Everybody will be happy.

If as developer you were planing on shutting down the game, than you wouldn't bother with next-gen console.
But you would instead create a legacy version as a first step for Offline version of the game. And the timing is perfect. We are 3 weeks away from 8 year mark. This is exactly when i would start preparing Offline version of the game.

How long has it been since they added a new ship, in a space ship game? EvE Online as example have over 400 ships and keeps on adding new.
Their plan for 2023, is just to re-do whats already in the game. We could be seeing the first signs of the end. They will probably run with a Narrative for the last 2 years, to finish off their promissed 10 years, and than Offline. Braben is gone, and with him the dream of keeping this game going.