The Open v Solo v Groups thread
- Thread starter Ozric
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And thats up to you- however for me I'd not block anyone, because I view reasons as pointless.
And there we agree to disagree. I do not view reasons as pointless.
Certain set of reasons are ok, certain are okayish, certain set of them are sort of I do find unacceptable. And unless I have reason to believe otherwise I do judge most of them to that third category.
To me, its the outcome and the events around it that matter- since what one person sees as a reason might not match anothers.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
When phrased as:
.... it did not seem that the definition was personal. Anyway, moving on....
Survive against what, and for how long, at what deficit compared to the ship optimised for its non-combat role?
.... given the predilection of gankers to reduce the risk to themselves to as near zero as possible before engaging targets that stand little to no chance against them.
Possibly because it's the only game mode where a player (without access to a Private Group that is well populated with players who still actually play the game) may encounter other players to, hopefully, play co-operatively.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... or to accept that players in all game modes affect mode shared game features.
.... or to accept that players may choose to leave any encounter, within the game rules, subject to a short delay.
That's the game as bought - if it's biased against particular players' desires that does not necessarily mean that it's a problem with the game.
In a crowded system there is usually no way to identify the specific third party responsible, and asking politely in system chat just exposes one to actual harassment.
At best it will get one blocked as well, which fixes one problem at the cost of another. A couple of people who would probably enjoy Solo or PG more can easily turn what should have been one instance into several diluted ones, harming the game for many while still not excluding everyone they'd like to exclude.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed - nor are there any Open only game features nor any requirement to play along with the ganker mini-game when engaged in any game feature.The game as bought doesn't have an Open PvE mode either
Problem for your kind of players there is no OpenPVE mode. Some people want full co-op mode without member number restrictions but without gankers too. And do their utmost to get that with tools available. And one of those tools happens to be block tool.
When I bought my LEP, block didn't have anywhere near as strong an instancing weight as it currently does. When I first tested it, I was convinced it was chat only. In hindsight, it was probably doing something, but it sure didn't prevent instancing. The game's manual only says it "reduces the chances of encountering" a blocked player, and it doesn't elaborate on how it does so. The vague details came much later, and block didn't hit it's current strength for even longer.
If I had reason to believe that blocking people in chat was going to exclude me from encountering them, or worse, exclude others from encountering them, there is no way I would ever have backed this game, much less purchased the LEP later on.
Of course, by the time the feature got to this point, there were much bigger problems (consequence optional gameplay, for example), still no competing titles, and Frontier already had my money.
As long as there is no such mode, be happy, enjoy results.
I would happily discard my block list for good if OpenPVE mode would be available, untill that happens it is only going to grow.
The secret is to not complain, just get on with whatever your personal solution is. I am not an open only advocate, but it would positively affect the way I play with very little downside. Open PvE would just make yet another community split making it even less likely to meet another Cmdr (positive or negative).
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I suspect, given the advice given by Sandro to a player a few days before launch, that the block feature was always meant to influence instancing - that it may not have done so effectively at the start may be due to bugs rather than design.
That the block feature has only been strengthened and made easier to use over the eight years since the game launched might well be the result of players, i.e. the behaviour of some players persuaded Frontier to improve the feature.
Depends on activity. I do think for example many AX pilots do not want to fight it out with g5 murder FDL plus the thargs....
Well anything here is automatically implied opinion.
Well, what are you doing, where are you going, who might you face? Even doing basic things is enough for a default attack escape. Do I have to post that Git Gud video again?
Then you equip accordingly, fly accordingly or avoid that area- you know, play the game and use in game methods to continue.
Then they have to learn what open is, and understand not everyone is there to hold their hand- it even tells you when you choose open.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The community arrived in the game pre-split - due to the three game modes.
IMO an Open-PvE game mode would, more than likely, allow the PvE community to coalesce into a single advertised game mode rather than be fragmented into a multitude of tiny (by comparison with the number of game copies out there) Private Groups. I'm not convinced that the implementation of an Open-PvE game mode would affect the population of Open as badly as some seem to fear.
