Taxonomic Groups we have everything we need from

[yoav_r]

As the title says, what groups of animals would you say we have everything we need from?

Groups we have all members of in the game:

• Aardvark
• Elephants
• Hippos

Groups which I think we have everything we need from:

• Amphibians
• Arachnids
• Apes and Gibbons
• Canines
• Deer
• Equines
• Giraffids
• Hyenas
• Pangolins
• Penguins
• Tapirs

From these groups I'd be okay if we never got another member for the game. Do you agree?

 

[DarthQuell]

For the most part I agree, but I'd say 1 more gibbon and 1 more giraffe.

For the rest, I'm satisfied.

Edit: oh, I missed the amphibians. I'd say no, but that's from personal opinion, as I love frogs and want all frog species in the game

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

I disagree for the Deer, Equines and Penguins, simply because the muntjak, donkey, shetland pony and little blue penguin exist, with atleast one of the equines being essential for a petting zoo and the other 2 being great additions in general that look extremly unique and different to the animals of their taxas we allready have

 

[biggest_dreamer]

We're actually missing the African forest elephant, which is regarding as a distinct third species. Obviously no one’s clamoring for it, so I’d call elephants satisfactorily complete regardless.

Disagree on apes. Great apes - sure, obviously. But I think gibbon variety will be nice.

Canines... we certainly have all the needs, but a lot of my selfish big wants are canines, and I think every one of the most likely next canines (a jackal, coyote, bush dog, tanuki, bat-eared fox?) are amazing so I'll keep coming back for more. But as far as needs go, yeah, I think we're good.

We might be at capacity for deer, but I'd argue that Pere David's is far too notable to close the door on.

For wild equines I could take them or leave them. I'm open to Grevy's zebra, wouldn't be opposed to the Somali wild fella, but I won't cry if they don't make it in. Same deal for giraffoids, I'd like to see the Masai giraffe but I'm fine without it. But we absolutely need a domestic equine in the donkey if support continues for long enough.

Hyenas and pangolins sure, I agree with you. Both of the remaining hyenas are a bit too out there, and pangolins are very niche as it is.

Penguins, no. I think we need, and will likely be getting, a third penguin.They're a varied enough species, often kept in mixed company, and are a bird that has actually managed to get into DLC twice now. I think a third one is reasonably likely.

Tapirs I'm on the fence about. Like, they're obviously a sort subject around here for good reason. But still, I like tapirs a lot, and I'm not going to pretend I don't want to see the Brazilian tapir just because the last tapir got botched.

Personally, I'd be fine without any more pinnipeds.

 

[DragonNTiger]

From these groups I'd be okay if we never got another member for the game. Do you agree?

No... at this point the idea of "needs" are rather debatable (I'd say your list is extremely debatable)... and saying we have enough of this animal or that animal is like saying we have enough African or Asian animals; just because we have a lot already doesn't change the fact that there are still plenty of great and interesting options to choose from... cutting them off solely on the grounds of "we have enough" is just dumb.

 

[Antimony96]

The only ones I'd negotiate on are a second gibbon and a second penguin. The rest I agree with.

 

[wanderoo]

I think the big disagreement for me is amphibians because we don't have either giant salamander in the game. Moreover, I think realistic zoos have such a range of exhibit-sized animals that a few more exhibit amphibians for the underrepresented regions in terms of exhibits (mostly Asia) would be fine. For similar reasons, I'm not so opposed to more arachnids (especially since there's a few critically endangered tropical Asian ones like the metallic sapphire tarantula that would work well IMO).

Smaller disagreement is on deer as I think we could use one smaller species and/or one tropical Asian species. Indian muntjac would fulfill both roles and add to the lacking "filler animal" roster for India while giving us a decent deer for Southeast Asia since it ranges all the way through into Indonesia. The non-Asian alternative that works well is a pudu.

On canines, I feel like the most unique one (bush dog) gets shafted because we have such an abundance of foxes and Canis wolves. But this would be at a lower level than the above two IMO.

On the other hand, my biggest agreement with you is on gibbons and giraffes. There's such an interesting diversity of primates out there that I fear a second gibbon would take a spot away from a monkey or prosimian. Same for even-toed ungulates versus another giraffe.

 

[YesIndeed]

The only ones I'd negotiate on are a second gibbon and a second penguin. The rest I agree with.

3rd penguin but yeah. Besides those I think we also need a Donkey or pony. Just one other equine.

 

[BananaLeech]

For deer muntjac and pudu would be great along with pere davids deer which is already mentioned.

I can’t speak for every one else but I would be salty if we weren’t able to get bush dogs.

 

[yoav_r]

No... at this point the idea of "needs" are rather debatable (I'd say your list is extremely debatable)... and saying we have enough of this animal or that animal is like saying we have enough African or Asian animals; just because we have a lot already doesn't change the fact that there are still plenty of great and interesting options to choose from... cutting them off solely on the grounds of "we have enough" is just dumb.

The point was to start a discussion as ti what everyone considers enough. At no point did I state my opinion to be objective fact.

 

[yoav_r]

For deer muntjac and pudu would be great along with pere davids deer which is already mentioned.

I can’t speak for every one else but I would be salty if we weren’t able to get bush dogs.

What is it with the recent popularity of bush dogs? They are extremely niche

 

[Cynogale bennettii II]

What is it with the recent popularity of bush dogs? They are extremely niche

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'd love bush dogs because here in the UK they aren't niche at all - they're more commonly-kept than maned wolves, fennec or arctic foxes, dholes and African wild dogs, and are only slightly less common than Eurasian wolves and red foxes.

 

[Cynogale bennettii II]

As for the original list, I think another species of gibbon, a penguin, one or two more species of deer, an equid (I'd favour Somali wild donkey, but I'd even take another zebra) and possibly another giraffe would be nice. As for amphibians and arachnids, I'd love to see more of both but also accept that to get a satisfying collection of both would take a prohibitively long time. Of course, we also need the Malayan tapir to be remade so it's actually a Malayan tapir.

Canids I'm of two minds over. We already have a huge number, but there are some I would still love to see (bush dogs, jackals, another fox like the corsac etc.) - possibly not helped by the fact that the BBC are running a new series about wild dogs over the next couple of weeks, so I'm appreciating them a lot at the moment.

 

[BananaLeech]

What is it with the recent popularity of bush dogs? They are extremely niche

For me it’s just that I prefer them over maned wolves with regards to SA canids and always wanted them even before maned wolves came out. If you are from the US, I understand why you are likely to consider them niche (and also why it was not as highly requested as much as the maned wolf) but as Cynogale brought up there is a solid number of bush dog holders in Europe. I guess people were still thirsty after getting the maned wolf.

 

[jcp011c]

I don't think we "need" any more of any of these, but there's some I'd definitely like to see.

A second Giraffe - preferably Masai, as those are the ones in my local zoo, but really to give variety to an iconic zoo animal of which we have only one of.
A second Gibbon. Either white cheeked or Lar would be my preference, but just as long as we got a second that would be fine by me.
Another equid. We only have 2; and I'd really like to 1 more. Persian Onager or Somali Wild ___ would be good picks. The Mustang is another option but I know they're a bit controversial.
Finally another Penguin, one that's very different looking from the two we have now. Strong preference to the Little Blue Penguin, but one of the Rockhoppers is a distant second choice for me.
Canines - well, I love my canines, so there won't ever be enough for me. But I realize that's not a really popular opinion. A Jackal (Black backed or Golden), the Bat Eared Fox, and the Coyote all would be wanted animals, in fact, the first two are in my own top 15 wants.

But none of these actually needed, as if the zoo roster feels incomplete without them. I'm thinking it's very likely we'll get a second Gibbon, but aside from that I'm thinking that none of these are very likely to show up. And that's okay, I'd rather them use the spaces on truly unique animals like the Sloth or Porcupine.

 

[Antimony96]

3rd penguin but yeah. Besides those I think we also need a Donkey or pony. Just one other equine.

Yeah forgot about the penguin + wasn't thinking about domestics (though my top domestic priority would be a goat).

I also have to say I disagree re:deer--I think we need either a muntjac or a pudu or both.

 

[biggest_dreamer]

What is it with the recent popularity of bush dogs? They are extremely niche

They're now the highest ranked canid on the meta wishlist after knocking out the maned wolf and red fox, so naturally general canid fans are going to be pushing them harder now. And it makes sense, they're visually totally unique and represent a still-too-neglected region. Those are two big points in their favor that can't be matched by tanukis or bat-eared foxes (visually unique, but from well-represented regions) or worse, something like the coyote, gray fox, or a jackal, which are both somewhat less unique looking and hail from well-represented regions.

 

[nutrit]

• Amphibians - at least the Giant salamander it’s such a unique species and could be really beautifully made and force merging exibits modification
• Apes and Gibbons - I think that Lar gibbon is still higly requested and brachiation for orangutans and chimps would be a great addition
• Canines - I don’t think there is ever someting as enough canines they are large audience favourites and I hope at least couple of them would be introduced to the game in 2023. Black backed jackal would be something nice, unique Bat eared fox or Bush dog that is nothing else there.
• Deer - I have no idea why such an important for conservation species as extinct in the wild Pere David’s deer is still not in the game but it would never be complete for me without it, also any small deer as Tufted deer, muntjac or Pudu would be very welcome. Above all that a tropical deer species would be interesting maybe Alfred deer or very nicely colored Marsh deer.
• Equines - My favorite of them all is Somali wild donkey - and the game without it would never be finished for me. It’s endangered, unique, first donkey, quite popular at the both sides of the pond, really cute appearance, first animal from the horn of Africa I can go on for hours with this one. Also any additional equid would be very welcomed.
• Penguins - Rockhopper penguin would be great to get since it’s very recognizable and fit the islands theme perfectly
• Tapirs - I still would be happy with Brazilian tapir since it’s the most common tapir in zoo’s and it’s so much different in appearance from what we already have. Also it may force a remodel of the Malayan tapir and give the ability of deep diving to all the tapir species.

 

[YesIndeed]

• Amphibians - at least the Giant salamander it’s such a unique species and could be really beautifully made and force merging exibits modification
• Apes and Gibbons - I think that Lar gibbon is still higly requested and brachiation for orangutans and chimps would be a great addition
• Canines - I don’t think there is ever someting as enough canines they are large audience favourites and I hope at least couple of them would be introduced to the game in 2023. Black backed jackal would be something nice, unique Bat eared fox or Bush dog that is nothing else there.
• Deer - I have no idea why such an important for conservation species as extinct in the wild Pere David’s deer is still not in the game but it would never be complete for me without it, also any small deer as Tufted deer, muntjac or Pudu would be very welcome. Above all that a tropical deer species would be interesting maybe Alfred deer or very nicely colored Marsh deer.
• Equines - My favorite of them all is Somali wild donkey - and the game without it would never be finished for me. It’s endangered, unique, first donkey, quite popular at the both sides of the pond, really cute appearance, first animal from the horn of Africa I can go on for hours with this one. Also any additional equid would be very welcomed.
• Penguins - Rockhopper penguin would be great to get since it’s very recognizable and fit the islands theme perfectly
• Tapirs - I still would be happy with Brazilian tapir since it’s the most common tapir in zoo’s and it’s so much different in appearance from what we already have. Also it may force a remodel of the Malayan tapir and give the ability of deep diving to all the tapir species.

I think there are more animals we should be caring about first though. You've listed 14 animals here and if we got the same amount as past years that would mean your filling 14 of the 23 habitat animal spots with highly filled groups of animals.

More canines would always be nice but I'd rather more things we don't have yet. If we did just get the top 23 meta wishlist animals next year then we would have no more animals from these categories added.

 

[Spiderhawk]

In my own opinion, there’s some animal groups that I am content with even though other people will rage at the idea of not having another type.
I think arachnoids are good, I’m not familiar with larger spiders (not against having more) and scorpions freak me out.
Great apes are pretty much covered. Not interested in another chimp, while Sumatran orangutans do look different I’m not interested and I don’t think cocktail orangutans would be an appropriate addition.
Large felines: I think we got a good roster around the world.
Giraffes: we got okapis, pronghorns and the R giraffes. I love giraffes but I can’t see another giraffe taking another spot on the dlc roster.
Savannah herbivores: No more!
Crocodilians
Lemurs
Rhinos

The I will take one more only section
Mustelids: the sea otter I will take and that’s it, maybe when mods become a thing on the workshop, someone can make American River otter after the ASCO
Bears: I only one want is the spectacled bear.
Penguins: needs to be distinct compared to the king and African. Maybe a macaroni penguin

I will take more of:
Canines: I will take a canine in every dlc until the games support ends. Although I think we are currently good on wolves and foxes but will happily take more.
Small felines: I think the big cat roster is good enough, now it’s time for some new rep.
Snakes: I say let’s get at least one type of each snake before saying no more, examples like vipers and coral snakes
Lizards: so many good variety’s still not touched on
Turtles: could use more
Monkeys: there’s so much potential for more monkeys