Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Navigare Necesse Est · Mar 23, 2023

StuartGT said:
Oh my, I'm just picturing how many millions of player placeable entities Starfield will support - a cheesewheel mountain on a distant planet!

Yeah? Star Citisnt doesnt even have a star.

sovapid said:
I GOT GRIEFED!!!!

lol

exceedingly rare that i am successfully killed. playing on laptop on couch with sound off isnt great for situational awareness.

I'm sure you'll manage. Such things happen sometimes.

LittleAnt · Mar 23, 2023

PiLhEaD said:
You're confusing/conflating servers and saves, and also assuming that 'entities' are comparable between games and engines.

E.g. I have iro 40 bases in NMS. If I've used 3,000 parts per base, then one SC server is already 20% full. Room for another four commandos to play. But this is comparing apples to pears and fully functioning game mechanics to plans. It's therefore pointless.

I confuse nothing, NMS seems to use a mix of instances tied to personnal saves for multiplayer. The max of your personnal save is the max of the multiplayer instance.
When you have at max 16,000 parts in one planet (if all your bases are only on one planet) in NMS, it's 3.2% of what a SC server managed BEFORE 3.18. It's a lot more now.
"fully functioning game mechanics" ? The mix personnal save/instance seems not to be a good mix.

Something to keep in mind no one has mentioned, if you and this friend make a base together, but, say you keep building when they go and log out, more times than not, this messes up your base up badly if you used the terrain tool as their save will have the terrain untouched, while yours has it flattened etc. It glitches reallyyyy badly. Even if both of you upload base data.

The game tries to basically load both versions of the save, one with untouched terrain, and the modified terrain

Be sure both players are “at” the base and online before either person even touches the terrain tool.

Out in the world its fine and no big deal, but using it at base if only one of you is online messes things up super bad, it becomes extremely apparent the bigger you build your base. One of mine is completely fine until she logs in, once she does i have mountains in about 50% of my base, and re flattening them doesnt help, they pop back in 10 minutes later, sometimes less.

I would try to just stick to land already flat in all scenarios honestly. If you have to use the tool to flatten terrain its not a good base idea in NMS

source

PiLhEaD said:
As an aside, when was base building going to be in-game in SC? Have they shown how it works? Have they finalised how land-claims work? Have they stopped selling 'land claims'? Has the penny dropped yet?

After stable PES, server meshing and beta I guess, because you can't do base building without PES and SM.

VR Golgot · Mar 23, 2023

LittleAnt said:
After stable PES, server meshing and beta I guess, because you can't do base building without PES and SM.

Well that's not very catchy. Maybe try pitching it like this?

Source: https://youtu.be/Zqcw4SNBdkc&t=6m32s

StuartGT · Mar 23, 2023

Valve should copy CIG's fancy buzzword marketing and call this something like Persistent Physicalised Smoke Meshing instead

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_y9MpNcAitQ

[VR] Merkir · Mar 23, 2023

LittleAnt said:
I don't think so...500 000 entities by server before 3.18. Limit of NMS ? 16,000 base entities...

Is there base building in SC?

Skizomeuh · Mar 23, 2023

No but it's already better.

Navigare Necesse Est · Mar 23, 2023

LittleAnt said:
I confuse nothing, NMS seems to use a mix of instances tied to personnal saves for multiplayer. The max of your personnal save is the max of the multiplayer instance.
When you have at max 16,000 parts in one planet (if all your bases are only on one planet) in NMS, it's 3.2% of what a SC server managed BEFORE 3.18. It's a lot more now.
"fully functioning game mechanics" ? The mix personnal save/instance seems not to be a good mix.

source

After stable PES, server meshing and beta I guess, because you can't do base building without PES and SM.

No, you actually confuse a lot.

Navigare Necesse Est · Mar 23, 2023

[VR] Merkir said:
Is there base building in SC?

Is there deformable terrain in SC?

StuartGT · Mar 23, 2023

Navigare Necesse Est said:
Is there deformable terrain in SC?

No but it's already better.

Skizomeuh · Mar 23, 2023

No, but... You know the drill

LittleAnt · Mar 23, 2023

Navigare Necesse Est said:
No, you actually confuse a lot.

So explain me how the server architecture in NMS works and how 2 clients on the same map can mess up it's render with a mix of 2 different states of the map ?
For what I understand, the server architecture in NMS is more on the client part like Valheim.

Viajero · Mar 23, 2023

[VR] Merkir said:
Is there base building in SC?

No, but you can drop up to 500,000 used cans of drink around though. How’s that for convincing you to buy an Idris?

StuartGT · Mar 23, 2023

Skizomeuh said:
No, but... You know the drill

The Best Damn Drill Ever

StuartGT · Mar 23, 2023

The server architecture works in NMS because it was designed and implemented by competent people.

Maybe in 10 years' time we can finally say something similar about SC.

thistle · Mar 23, 2023

LittleAnt said:
I don't think so...500 000 entities by server before 3.18. Limit of NMS ? 16,000 base entities...

Some info about NMS

I also like to compare tomatoes to wheel nuts and claim tomatoes are therefore better.

Dooguk · Mar 23, 2023

Wait a minute!

Rubbish left everywhere
Big ships
Travel to another system
Yes another first from the Roberts' house of nonsense...

PiLhEaD · Mar 23, 2023

LittleAnt said:
I confuse nothing...

I took your words at face value, which was perhaps my schoolboy error.

Problems always stem from comparing apples with imagined pears. NMS/Valheim have working and mature base building in fully released multi-player on-line games. All I've easily/been bothered to find is this peice of (very good looking) pure theory-crafting which broadly states 'we don't know' (as best I could unpick the enthiastic chaff).

PiLhEaD · Mar 23, 2023

Dooguk said:
Wait a minute!

Rubbish left everywhere
Big ships
Travel to another system
Yes another first from the Roberts' house of nonsense...

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... ........I lurve that damn fil-umn!!!!!!!

rootsrat · Mar 23, 2023

PiLhEaD said:
I took your words at face value, which was perhaps my schoolboy error.

Problems always stem from comparing apples with imagined pears. NMS/Valheim have working and mature base building in fully released multi-player on-line games. All I've easily/been bothered to find is this peice of (very good looking) pure theory-crafting which broadly states 'we don't know' (as best I could unpick the enthiastic chaff).

You can at least spent a 100 bucks on a non-existing plot of land on a non-existing moon or something to that effect

Unlike those other silly games, where you can freely build anywhere you want. So unrealistic!

(Or you could, not sure if they still sell them)

PiLhEaD · Mar 23, 2023

rootsrat said:
You can at least spent a 100 bucks on a non-existing plot of land on a non-existing moon or something to that effect Unlike those other silly games, where you can freely build anywhere you want. So unrealistic!

(Or you could, not sure if they still sell them)

Yes. Kinda my point too.

thistle said:
I also like to compare tomatoes to wheel nuts and claim tomatoes are therefore better.

Ditto.

But, not to worry, some word spaghetti will soon put us 'right'.