No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Perramas]

Please, don't feed the troll. He'll be bored & go away...

Follow this advice. You ignore trolls by clicking on settings in the top right of the forum then on the left side of the setting UI select edit ignore list and add their name.

 

[patricio_z]

As a kickstarter backer totally unaffected by these developments I am astounded at Frontiers decision and chosen method of announcement on this issue. I have held fire for a couple of days on posting on this issue because I really wanted to let it sink in and post a measured response accordingly.

As to the reasons the decision was made, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that, however, as others have said, I am struggling to believe that it only became apparent that Single Offline wasn't viable in the last few days and this close to release. Surely it must have become apparent sometime ago that this was going to be the case, and as such, it should have been communicated to us, via the forums, and in the appropriate newsletter, as soon as it was so much as a possibility, let alone a 'tough decision made'.

Whether or not anything was 'promised' is fairly moot at this point, the point is that Frontier staff, (at least some culpability), and moderators, (not their fault), and the community at large thought there was the option of Single Offline still at 15:40 hours on Friday just gone, this is unacceptable. Whilst some of the people claiming they will take x, y or z legal action, report the issue, or in some way derail Frontiers launch event are, in my opinion, overeating, some of the people defending Frontier on this decision are equally as lamentable.

@ Frontier - You must realise, (and surely do), that crap sticks and becomes hard to wash off, some of those that have posted in this thread and others have been your most ardent backers and supporters, many of them have defended your policy and track record, sometimes rightly, sometimes not so much so. It was never their job to do so, nor was it requested by Frontier, however, do not underestimate what the good 'word of mouth' aspect has done for your name, your brand and your game. Also, do not underestimate how damaging it is or how long it will take to wash the stains out of the laundry from this mess of an announcement.

The omens are worrying to say the least now, we learn that the statement 'we are making the game we want to play' now actually reads, 'we are making a platform that may, one day, become the game we want to play'. We learn that a decent sized part of the proposed features may well permanently be on the cutting room floor, and, we have our faith shaken that if something as fundamental as an entire game mode can suddenly be 'not viable' then what next? It seems if something like that can be dropped then no proposal is safe, like it or not, some trust has gone Frontier, of course not from all, but from a percentage of fans, some heavily involved financially, be it in shares, pledge level or just 'word of mouth positives'. The problem is Frontier, that this is starting to smell like you are in a bit over your heads, be it financially or simply from an overreaching point of view, 'we will release when its ready' seems to have gone out of the window, it wasn't 'ready' before Fridays announcement and is even less 'ready' if fundamental features are being canned.

To those of you that cannot play without offline mode, or are at least affected by it, to a larger or smaller degree, you have my empathy and hopes that Frontier will change their minds on this, to posters arguing with those affected, some of you should take a step back and think, you really should. Many of us are backers of Elite Dangerous, very nearly all of us are supporters of Frontier, we of course can have differing views on Supercruise and mining, without doubt, but the rug being pulled out from under the feet of some of us affects us all, it may be you or me next, it may be a feature we consider vital next, it may be us asking for a refund if this happens again. We should stand as one here, a community united, because this has the potential to hurt us all.

So much this...you summed it up perfectly

 

[Frank]

I didn't know FD published Sim City?

It's good to learn from your mistakes, but it's much better to learn from other people's.

 

[Sylv3r]

All day on this thread the same things have been repeated time and time again and not one person actually knows any facts or real details beyond other peoples opinions, fear mongering, hearsay or just general slagging off.
It's a bit ridiculous that it's got to nearly 4000 posts now with no substantial response given at any point yet people listen to each other who have no insider info or no real knowledge of any sort of situation.
Can't people wait until there's some real response from Frontier about this? Because I'm pretty sure there will be a statement coming and not just one on the 22nd. Until then people own OPINIONS can only worsen by reading and repeating the same conspiracy theories and accusations.

Conspiracy there's not.
Accusations, there some and its unacceptable even if there are emotions behind.
Some defending Frontier and online view have took the same way : unacceptable too

All is a question of respect. Respect is constructive, allways.

But having some solidarity together to dont let this decision taken and fight to get the offline and free DRM promised is a way to go.

A mature reaction must be like Theodrid said :
"to posters arguing with those affected, some of you should take a step back and think, you really should. Many of us are backers of Elite Dangerous, very nearly all of us are supporters of Frontier, we of course can have differing views on Supercruise and mining, without doubt, but the rug being pulled out from under the feet of some of us affects us all, it may be you or me next, it may be a feature we consider vital next, it may be us asking for a refund if this happens again. We should stand as one here, a community united, because this has the potential to hurt us all."

I could not agree more to that as i have said it earlier.

 

[mbpoblet]

due to your misunderstanding of ONE KEY LINE on the KS page).

Even the EULA assumes an offline mode:

(...)

From the ED Eula:

(emphasis mine)

8. In-Game Advertising
The Game may incorporate technology (which may be provided by Frontier or third party service providers engaged by Frontier (each a “Dynamic Advertising Provider”)) which enables advertising to be uploaded into the Game on your PC, and changed while the Game is being played on-line. In order that the Dynamic Advertising Provider is able to direct advertising appropriate to your Game and geographic region, as well as to the correct location within the computer game, certain non-personally identifiable data and information may be retrieved and retained by the Dynamic Advertising Provider including your I.P. address, geographic location, in-game position, and information concerning the appearance of advertising visible during your gameplay (for example, the length of time an item of advertising was visible, the dimensions of the advertisements). In addition, the Dynamic Advertising Provider may assign a unique identification number which is stored on your PC and which is used to monitor and calculate the number of views of dynamic advertising during gameplay. None of the information collected for this purpose including the identification number can be used to identify you.

The technology employed by Dynamic Advertising Providers may be located outside your country of residence (including outside of the European Union).

Where a Game incorporates dynamic advertising technology, the technology which serves the provision of dynamic in-game advertising is integrated within the Game. This means that if you do not want to receive dynamic advertising, you should only play the game when you are not connected to the Internet.

Isn't that just peachy? Targeted advertising, in your game! Is that an immersion-breaker, or what?

The bit I've highlighted at the very end is especially rich..

Because now, if you unplug, the game won't even work.. So you'll basically be forced to watch any advertising that FD care to sell to third parties. You can't even opt out... can you say "captive audience"? I knew you could!

Maybe it's not the whole reason for pulling offline play, but who's to say it wasn't a factor in the decision? If people can play offline, how can FD push advertising content to their game? And after all, we have no idea just who the anonymous investors that FD partnered with are.. (and please don't insult my intelligence by claiming there aren't any, everyone.. it's pretty clear the KS on its own wasn't sufficient to fund the game - that was about testing the waters.. seeing if sufficient demand was there - someone, or several someones, ponied up a big chunk of cash to help get ED made.)

(And it seem to me rather likely that the same anonymous investors could be behind the push to rush this game to market before it's truly ready)

 

[Igor[Rock]]

and of course you have proof they will

I think you misunderstood a basic concept of who has to prove something - he didn't come up with a number out of the fresh air, so HE doesn't have to prove that it's wrong, but the one who posted that "99%" has to prove that this number is correct.

Oh, and btw: Yes, I am one of the "not 99%", even though I play online - because I want to be able to play that game when on a plane, in my cabin in the woods or once Frontier decides to shut down the servers later on.

 

[Gerli]

I didn't know FD published Sim City?

 

[Oddball_E8]

So,

Elite Dangerous is bull***t, I will only play Star Citizen from now on!!!!
Never again Elite, its such a bad game, because i cant play offline....

Eeeeh... haven't Roberts basically stated that you'll have to be online to play Star Citizen beyond the single player missions?
I mean, sure, you could buy SC just to play those missions, but after that there would be no free-roaming for you...

 

[OillyRag]

so many trools in this forum is astonishing

every time someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll ... that is not astonishing.

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I think you misunderstood a basic concept of who has to prove something - he didn't come up with a number out of the fresh air, so HE doesn't have to prove that it's wrong, but the one who posted that "99%" has to prove that this number is correct.
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actually he did

 

[V3teran]

There is no solo online play at this point. Other players make discoveries for you, they change the market for you and deplete asteroid fields for you. There is only an option to never see those players or interact with them directly.

When you put it that way it kinda sucks pretty bad. Kinda forces you to go online, if the resources are gone then what is the point?

 

[dcndnts]

Eeeeh... haven't Roberts basically stated that you'll have to be online to play Star Citizen beyond the single player missions?
I mean, sure, you could buy SC just to play those missions, but after that there would be no free-roaming for you...

actually the complete opposite. There will be online/offline as well as the ability to run your own servers locally or online

 

[sbdags]

So... we don't learn anything with the Simcity disaster?

I didn't know FD published Sim City?

It's good to learn from your mistakes, but it's much better to learn from other people's.

Seriously please expand.

Sim City from EA went live without offline mode. The internet went ballistic and so they repented and put offline back in. (And the game still bores me ...)

How should we learn from this? Or did you mean FD? Different publisher, different game code, different genre, different audience ....

 

[Nyxiom]

When you put it that way it kinda sucks pretty bad. Kinda forces you to go online, if the resources are gone then what is the point?

Because this person doesn't actually understand how Elite online play works. They don't deplete resources for you... Resource fields are instanced just like everything else. Which is why you can relog to refresh a field when runs out of what you are mining and you can go back to mining (a really weird thing to me)

Personally I don't care about there being no offline mode as I would never use it anyway. In a massive space based game why the heck you you want to play solo? "Look at all that space! With........ No one in it." >.> NPCs can only get you so far. To me if there are no other players then truly, what is the point?

To each their own though I suppose.

 

[Erna Jedermann]

actually the complete opposite. There will be online/offline as well as the ability to run your own servers locally or online

I read to today the same... but I don´t want SC (both Star Citizen/Supercruise .. ), really want an Elite for ALL.

 

[sbdags]

When you put it that way it kinda sucks pretty bad. Kinda forces you to go online, if the resources are gone then what is the point?

Currently in the beta resources don't get depleted by others. In fact they respawn if you SC out and back in. No idea if that will change so people using that argument are not basing it on fact.

 

[Roybe]

actually the complete opposite. There will be online/offline as well as the ability to run your own servers locally or online

...and isn't this how we got to where we are now? Do not believe what you are told about a game until release! Everything is on the table until they ship the product.

 

[dcndnts]

This ist the point, i will never play any Elite dangerous anymore!
Only SC, when it comes in 2018 !!!!!

atleast its coming. cant say the same about Elite though which is a shame

 

[Igor[Rock]]

actually he did

There is a big difference in meaning between:

also, i still think that 90% of the backers STILL don't know anything about offline being pulled

and

and 99% of them don't care

The first one is clearly marked as an opinion and an estimate ("I still think that"), while your statement comes along as a fact "and 99% of them don't care".

 

[dcndnts]

...and isn't this how we got to where we are now? Do not believe what you are told about a game until release! Everything is on the table until they ship the product.

The reason Elite is not getting it is because
1) not enough money
2) not enough money

Star Citizen doesn't have this problem

 

[Roybe]

Because this person doesn't actually understand how Elite online play works. They don't deplete resources for you... Resource fields are instanced just like everything else. Which is why you can relog to refresh a field when runs out of what you are mining and you can go back to mining (a really weird thing to me)

Personally I don't care about there being no offline mode as I would never use it anyway. In a massive space based game why the heck you you want to play solo? "Look at all that space! With........ No one in it." >.> NPCs can only get you so far. To me if there are no other players then truly, what is the point?

To each their own though I suppose.

Because most of those that wanted this feature do not have access to internet where they want to play the game. Some people are worried about end of game life and how to be certain the game is playable at that time, many of us still play the original Elite...30 years later. I can certainly understand people's desires on this. Now that the decision has been made, those that feel stronlgy about this issue have a choice, ask for a refund or accept the situation. Then move on with their lives.