Thargoid FPS (with Drones) in Update 15 - Preview Footage

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Didn't I read something about fixing the Ram Tah missions?

Maybe something for those that don't like combat.
If you've not done them before then it will certainly keep you occupied for a long time :)

It is nice that Frontier have finally confirmed that it was a bug and not an intended change, that has certainly put end to quite a lot of heated debates.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Gonna sound cynical and snarky but unlikely LOL
Haha, fair. I should have clarified that it was debate among people trying to work out the Guardian Ruins in the Canonn Discord :)

As it changed without warning and hasn't been acknowledged by Frontier in any way up until today when they said it was fixed, there was no way of knowing if it was an intentional change and what implications that might have.
 
Oh I'm sorry I thought you calling the design stupid and "watch how starfield created a style called "Nasa Punk" and learn."

and your repeatedly saying

"There is no good argument if you defend the indefensible"

meant you weren't happy with the update. I didn't realise that you like it and are just being aggressive on other people's behalf.

I was aggressive, I'm sorry and I apologize. I always admit when I'm wrong.

What annoys me, (and that's what the message they deleted said) is when they defend the indefensible (I still maintain that) When a white knight appears who wants to keep everything as it is, without a spirit of progress or desire for things to improve.

that doesn't help E.D
In the community there are 2 types of people, some want nothing to change. and others want E.D to be the best space game out there.

Flow like water and don't pool Frontier.
 
Haha, fair. I should have clarified that it was debate among people trying to work out the Guardian Ruins in the Canonn Discord :)

As it changed without warning and hasn't been acknowledged by Frontier in any way up until today when they said it was fixed, there was no way of knowing if it was an intentional change and what implications that might have.
Pretty sure support had always actually confirmed it was intentional ever since the release of Odyssey, so them changing it back now is a reversal of their previous stance.

I don't have a source on hand for this though.

But to my knowledge there was very little debate at all, the Obelisks became indecipherable, support said it was intentional, and that's what everyone has assumed since.
 
In the community there are 2 types of people, some want nothing to change. and others want E.D to be the best space game out there.

Flow like water and don't pool Frontier.
Saying there are only two types is unreasonable, bordering on dismissive.
While true that some people may not like change at all, others choose a more nuanced view.
The bigger a decision, the more important the deliberations and considerations, and last but not least, time.
 
Pretty sure support had always actually confirmed it was intentional ever since the release of Odyssey, so them changing it back now is a reversal of their previous stance.

I don't have a source on hand for this though.

But to my knowledge there was very little debate at all, the Obelisks became indecipherable, support said it was intentional, and that's what everyone has assumed since.
It wasn't happening since the release of Odyssey, it happened with either update 10 or 11 - a little bit over a year ago. Support never confirmed it as intentional, it was ignored completely (which is completely in line with how ED bugs are typically handled and why a lot of people joke about playing "bug or feature?")
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
I was aggressive, I'm sorry and I apologize. I always admit when I'm wrong.

What annoys me, (and that's what the message they deleted said) is when they defend the indefensible (I still maintain that) When a white knight appears who wants to keep everything as it is, without a spirit of progress or desire for things to improve.

that doesn't help E.D
In the community there are 2 types of people, some want nothing to change. and others want E.D to be the best space game out there.

Flow like water and don't pool Frontier.
Well thanks for the apology. But I wasn't "White Knighting" (which by the way is a stupid derogatory name you really shouldn't call people who have a different point of view from you).

I don't think you can break the community down that easily, it's far more intricate than that. But don't forget a third type, those who want to belittle anything that is added as "not good enough" before they've even tried it themselves. Surely that doesn't help Elite either? Surely it's disheartening for the developers who have put in lots of hard work, only to see it shot down before the players have even got their hands on it?
 
Well thanks for the apology. But I wasn't "White Knighting" (which by the way is a stupid derogatory name you really shouldn't call people who have a different point of view from you).

I don't think you can break the community down that easily, it's far more intricate than that. But don't forget a third type, those who want to belittle anything that is added as "not good enough" before they've even tried it themselves. Surely that doesn't help Elite either? Surely it's disheartening for the developers who have put in lots of hard work, only to see it shot down before the players have even got their hands on it?
Whilst i am looking forward to Thargoid ground combat i was hoping we would see more Thargoid toe to claw combat than the star wars "attack of the clones" action. Yes i haven't seen the new drones up close but it does seem that Thargoids are very elusive at present ;)
 
In the community there are 2 types of people, some want nothing to change. and others want E.D to be the best space game out there.
With respect there are way more than two types of folks in ED.
The issue is many want it to change to what THEY want it to be, we don't all want the same thing.
Call me a white knight, i couldn't care less, i am happy to defend Fdev as this for ME is the best space sim out there and for ME it keeps getting better and better.
We all have different opinions and we all (most) want ED to get even better, we just don't agree on its direction.

At the moment ED is exactly the game i want and i make no apology's for defending it.
That said i am always willing to speak my mind (perma forum bans in both ESO and CS) if things are horribly wrong, but for me ED is a pretty amazing way to spend my free time.

O7
 
With respect there are way more than two types of folks in ED.
The issue is many want it to change to what THEY want it to be, we don't all want the same thing.
Call me a white knight, i couldn't care less, i am happy to defend Fdev as this for ME is the best space sim out there and for ME it keeps getting better and better.
We all have different opinions and we all (most) want ED to get even better, we just don't agree on its direction.

At the moment ED is exactly the game i want and i make no apology's for defending it.
That said i am always willing to speak my mind (perma forum bans in both ESO and CS) if things are horribly wrong, but for me ED is a pretty amazing way to spend my free time.

O7
Whilst ED is an amazing space sim and is probably one of the best out there its not the only one. I do like ED as I have stated before the half done features (not because of time constraints but some other 'imaginary' issue that caused them to be half done) I would have like to have seen them completed. ED is a nice game and one that is always installed on my PC's but I do find myself playing it less now after odyssey than I did previously.
 
At the moment ED is exactly the game i want and i make no apology's for defending it.
I've never played a game that is exactly what I want, including all the ones I've bragged on in this forum. Surely there's a bug you'd like fixed or a feature you'd like to see added or tweaked. That doesn't mean you can't keep defending Elite (I defend a game with a horrible UI and sometimes mind-numbingly stupid AI). In fact, I think you'll have more credibility in defending the game if you're not claiming it's perfect just the way it is. My favorite defenders of Elite are the ones who also have some downright damning critiques of the game. And defend Elite they do! I still have the scars to prove it, LOL.
 
In the community there are 2 types of people, some want nothing to change. and others want E.D to be the best space game out there.
I love elite, and could white knight for it all I wanted.
BUT that does'nt mean I'm happy with everything in game as is
Look at Skyrim the world's most perfect game (at least by the number of re-issues/upgrades its had)... that damn 3rd person killcam thing ruined the game for me at the start.... (yes I know about the no killcam mod .. now)
As for elite.... having not taken part in anything maelstrom related because of the inability to get past the energy pulse, I now think 'hey lets look inside now something is there...... ", collected what I thought was enough stuff for the sink and the pule wave thing.... nope another 5 of this and 10 of that is needed and I nearly got my butt handed to me monday when I went in collecting.
and I have to do that 4 or 5 times more.... yuck , but then thats the same with the amount of stuff you have to collect to engineer your suits/weapons, even a dedicated elite player like me has not got the time to do that.
And as for the colonia run to unlock stuff there(especially the lvl 4 SCB).... meh (although I've been to Sgr A* twice... once just before engineers and once because someone challenged me to a race)
So while elite is good.... there are bits of it that make me want to drive upto Cambridge, walk in the office and have a screaming session with the devs 😃

Bill

<<<off to try restarting another settlement after last nights attempt ended in my srv being shot
 
Surely there's a bug you'd like fixed or a feature you'd like to see added or tweaked
Never said it was perfect but it is still exactly what i want to play, it has everything, im never stuck for anything to do and unlike SC (which i very rarely log into now) i hardly ever get any crashes or bugs.
Yes the freezing of the materials trading screen does my head in sometimes, yes eventually i would like a few more ships but i don't NEED them.
What ED offers is a true sandbox with no hand holding or story i 'must' follow and since they added Odyssey it truly has opened up a whole new set of things for them to implement.

Never thought any game would ever overtake my love of Everquest, but this is it.

O7
 
Never said it was perfect but it is still exactly what i want to play, it has everything, im never stuck for anything to do and unlike SC (which i very rarely log into now) i hardly ever get any crashes or bugs.
Yes the freezing of the materials trading screen does my head in sometimes, yes eventually i would like a few more ships but i don't NEED them.
What ED offers is a true sandbox with no hand holding or story i 'must' follow and since they added Odyssey it truly has opened up a whole new set of things for them to implement.

Never thought any game would ever overtake my love of Everquest, but this is it.

O7
Well, I'm guessing you're okay if the game becomes more of what other people want* over time, since the longevity of the game depends on the popularity of the game - as in, it needs to make money for Frontier, a burden you alone cannot carry. Again, this doesn't mean you can't defend it, but I fail to see the harm in allowing others to request features or even vent about a bug that bothers them. We both agree that the fleet carrier "fix" to the system map in this update is wonderful, and I'll argue that it might not have happened if players weren't allowed to gripe about the previous state of the system map in busy systems full of fleet carriers. You yourself said, "for ME it keeps getting better and better." Surely this is in part due to people not accepting Odyssey of last year, but instead requesting (albeit sometimes in "gripe format") the improvements that have since came, including this update that everyone loves so much. If we all just said, "It's exactly what I want right now, no need to add or change anything!" would Frontier continue to pump out these updates? Maybe, but maybe not.

* with the caveat that it still stays Elite and isn't completely morphed into some other game.
 
Well, I'm guessing you're okay if the game becomes more of what other people want* over time, since the longevity of the game depends on the popularity of the game - as in, it needs to make money for Frontier, a burden you alone cannot carry. Again, this doesn't mean you can't defend it, but I fail to see the harm in allowing others to request features or even vent about a bug that bothers them. We both agree that the fleet carrier "fix" to the system map in this update is wonderful, and I'll argue that it might not have happened if players weren't allowed to gripe about the previous state of the system map in busy systems full of fleet carriers. You yourself said, "for ME it keeps getting better and better." Surely this is in part due to people not accepting Odyssey of last year, but instead requesting (albeit sometimes in "gripe format") the improvements that have since came, including this update that everyone loves so much. If we all just said, "It's exactly what I want right now, no need to add or change anything!" would Frontier continue to pump out these updates? Maybe, but maybe not.

* with the caveat that it still stays Elite and isn't completely morphed into some other game.
I think for some the caveat at the end has already passed with Horizons for some and definitely odyssey for others, for die hards elite was always a space combat game where you were a space fighter pilot or space trucker of sorts now its a jack of all trades master of none.
 
I think for some the caveat at the end has already passed with Horizons for some and definitely odyssey for others, for die hards elite was always a space combat game where you were a space fighter pilot or space trucker of sorts now its a jack of all trades master of none.
I think I understand what you are saying. I'm personally not looking for new things to do in Elite, but rather the enhancement of existing things to do that currently feel half-baked or otherwise unfinished, or just could use some "improvement" based on my experience playing other similar space games. That includes big concepts like PowerPlay and more explorable planets, along with small little UI fixes like the just-added fleet carrier stacking. You'll not see me anywhere complaining about lack of hand-to-hand combat with Thargoid ground troops, as I really have no interest in that in a game like Elite.

The idea that "Elite is perfect just as it is" has been pandered since long before Odyssey was released, yet as soon as Odyssey was released all those folks fled the "perfect" version of Elite (Horizons 3.8) like rats on a sinking ship over to Odyssey or at least Horizons 4.0, so I think this "Elite is perfect" is just an overcompensation for complaints that seem to greatly offend those diehard fans you mention.

FWIW Darrack admits Elite isn't perfect, but the use of "exactly the game I want" can be read that way. I can only conclude that "exactly the game" is a reference to the title rather than the state of the game. Regardless, people have a right to point out flaws in the hope that those flaws get fixed, as the carrier UI did in this update.
 
Well, I must say that I am absolutely elated that one of those tiny UI issues, that has been an infuriatingly annoying and unevictable pebble in my shoe, seems to have been fixed: If I ride the landing pad lift up, prepared with the UI navigated to the landing gear toggle button, the UI no longer snaps away from that button to the top left element on the ship panel, the second the mag-clamps are released. :7
 
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