I don't think we have mentioned we want birds yet in this thread as well. We should do that now that we are it
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On paper, no nothing wrong with that.
But just put yourself in the shoes of the people working on this game. You just spent a bunch of your time making a change the community asked for and you log into the forum to see how people respond. The overwhelming response is, thanks, now do this other thing.
It just comes off as ungrateful.
Honestly if I were them I'd stop updating animals all together if this is all that comes from it.
We all know damn well that if they fix the tapir people will just jump to the next animal that needs fixing in their eyes.
This depend on the people’s request is reasonable or not. I think constructive opinions is essential to the game and frontier will consider these opinions.
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Frontier is a business. They are not doing us favours by making their games. We exchange money for goods and services.
"But the updates are free!"
That doesn't matter. It's in their best interest to provide updates to keep people playing the game. Every decision made by a business is economical. Our gratitude is our continued injection of cash into their coffers. Our relationship to Frontier as a business, regardless of varying levels of relationship to individual members of Frontier's staff, is purely transactional and symbiotic.
Next DLC-Animal:
A zoo is accused of painting a donkey and passing it off as a zebra
It gives new meaning to the phrase "a wolf in sheep's clothing." Or in this case, a donkey in zebra stripes.
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Disagree entirely.
The constructive and legitimate criticism of the Malayan tapir is something quite exceptional in the community. It is consistent and long standing. And nothing has been done about it.
In my view it is entirely appropriate to draw attention to this fact when other animals are, in contrast to the tapir, fixed following feedback.
I am incredibly supportive of this game and community. I show thanks and appreciation. I buy everything as soon as it comes out and at full price. In that context it feels entirely justifiable to mention when I feel let down.
Towards frontier, yes. that's why I specifically said to put yourself into the shoes of the developers, not the company, but the people working hard for these changes only to be thanked with more requests.
I would be very disheartened to say the least.
No, in my opinion the Malaysian Tapir is the biggest issue within the Game as it is the only animal which really only got a recoloration without any other changes. It is Like you would take a Lion and paint it with orange and black Stripes and call it a Tiger. It must Not Look perfect in my opinion but some minor changes and size adjustment would be the Thing that would make it at least different to the other Tapir.
Nevertheless thank you for the Update!
Edit: The devs get their appreciation when they deserve it and this is mostly the case. But I think there should be also critical voices allowed If there is Something Just completely wrong and completely ignored by them as I have not seen any Word about it even If they would say "No, there is no plan to fix or at least adjust it".
By all means, if we go by the definition of "we paid for this", "It's a business" and "all interactions are purely financial", then you missed your window of opportunity. You had the chance to vote with your wallet on multiple occasions, from not buying it in the first place to asking for a refund to not buying subsequent DLCs as a sign. If we really want to bring it down to just that, then it's simply too late and downright pointless to still bring it up more than 2 years after the release of the pack.
Looking at the sales of Planet Zoo and the active player base, there's no economical reason to update the tapir at this point. There simply isn't, because there simply has not been an impact on the economical side of Planet Zoo that would warrant that change. If it would have let to massive drops in sales or if the pack wasn't profitable, then they would have been forced to take action; but no matter how much people want it to be different, it clearly isn't the case.
But, of course we all know that it isn't just a financial relationship here. The credit we have isn't only financial in nature, there is also a form of social credit that becomes part of this. Frontier clearly knows this, and worked on building a long lasting relationship with the fanbase by listening to what we want and build up social credit through giving us what we want. That gives them a financial advantage too of course, but all of these things are interwoven. And importantly, this social credit isn't build by the higher ups; it is build by the people who spent their days going through these forums and pass stuff onto the teams, it's by the dev team, it's done by the people we directly and indirectly communicate with as a community.
In return, as every relationship is two sided, we also are able to get social credit as a community. If we'd act like a collective bunch of jerks every single time, then it would be incredibly hard for the people who work on that relationship to do that very thing. Which is absolutely logical because people don't turn into soulless robots when they start their working days. Act like a jerk, and you'll obviously see the consequences of that. By being constructive, by giving positive feedback when there is a chance to, by not acting like jerks, by participating in events we as a community also build our social credit.
So returning to the updates and changes, if these have no financial reasons for them to happen, then we're not buying those with money. We're buying those with social credits. Frontier going "alright, let's update the rhino" clearly comes from the fact that we as a community asked for it and we've build up the social credit so that these issues get prioritized in the time they have for it. Because at least from the early statistics this pack was not a financial failure so there was no economic reason for it.
And that brings us back to the issue at hand. If we want Frontier to keep prioritizing these smaller visual changes in the time they can spent on DLCs in future DLCs, then bringing the tapir up every single time is going to backfire. Because of course that is going to come across as "good you did the thing, but now do this next". It's going to backfire, and it's going to end up leaving a negative taste in the mouths of people who work on it. Chances of this being passed on as a high priority will get lower, in favour of other things that will cause less of these discussions and you'll end up achieving the exact opposite of what you want. No matter how constructive you phrased it, you're going to come across as ungrateful.
I think there's not a single person out there that thinks the feedback on the Malayan Tapir is invalid or that people have been utterly unconstructive about it. It is much more of a "time and place" kind of thing. It's completely fine bring it up once and a while to show Frontier that it is still something that the community wants and as long as it keeps being done in the constructive fashion the vast majority of people have done it, that's 100% okay and I don't think anyone would really disagree with that. But bring it up every time there's an update or every time that Frontier does respond to the feedback on other animals, you're going to achieve the opposite of what you want.
By all means, I hope we can still have the social credit by the time Frontier reaches the tapir in terms of their backlog. I hope that the devs don't go "you know what, whatever we do, they will just demand this for another animal next and be angry about that" and prioritize another issue. I hope we one day we'll get an updated version of it. But I strongly believe that can and will only happen if we as a community create an environment for that and I don't think we're doing that if we go through this cycle with every (visual) update (an animal receives).
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I really appreciate frontiers’ work which bring many incredible animals and new features to us. They already gave us dhole, binturong, striped hyena and black rhino tweaks.
If we keep supporting frontier by buying dlcs and providing our opinions in a polite and constructive way, we will get tapir rework in the future.
If we keep supporting frontier by buying dlcs and providing our opinions in a polite and constructive way, we will get tapir rework in the future.
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Can someone do something like a before/after thing? We just get two pics of the rhino, one before it was fixed and one after, so that we can see the changes.
All I can say is that my conscience is entirely clear. I stand by everything that I have said.
I am so, so supportive of this game and community and am blown away by the quality of the overwhelming majority of the animals.
Which, in my view, gives me every right to continue to comment on the tapir and I will continue to do so without apology.
I am so, so supportive of this game and community and am blown away by the quality of the overwhelming majority of the animals.
Which, in my view, gives me every right to continue to comment on the tapir and I will continue to do so without apology.
The reason complaints about the tapir keep coming is that we never even got it confirmed that the right people have seen these complaints. It happens that comments on threads about community competitions from people not understanding the rules or similar are left without a reply.
Clearly, some important posts get lost on this forum, which is fair enough since a lot is going on. But because of that, we can never be sure our posts get seen by the right people unless they acknowledge them in one way or another. And these update threads tend to be where the CMs are the most active and therefore more likely to see our posts about the tapir.
With the number of posts and threads there have been about the tapir it seems unlikely these complaints have never been noticed, but as long as it is not confirmed we simply can't know for sure. Which is why we keep seeing these complaints here.
Iguanas for habitats used to be requested fairly often but then an article showed up that kind of shot that idea down. It was disappointing to many but it at least confirmed that this request had been seen. And now I don't see this being asked for much anymore.
If keep mentioning the tapir is rude, then ignoring such a big part of the community is equally rude. I can't see why we are the only jerks here. We just want an answer.
And while nobody wants to get a ''Nothing can be done about the tapir model'', it would still be a much better reply than no reply.
Clearly, some important posts get lost on this forum, which is fair enough since a lot is going on. But because of that, we can never be sure our posts get seen by the right people unless they acknowledge them in one way or another. And these update threads tend to be where the CMs are the most active and therefore more likely to see our posts about the tapir.
With the number of posts and threads there have been about the tapir it seems unlikely these complaints have never been noticed, but as long as it is not confirmed we simply can't know for sure. Which is why we keep seeing these complaints here.
Iguanas for habitats used to be requested fairly often but then an article showed up that kind of shot that idea down. It was disappointing to many but it at least confirmed that this request had been seen. And now I don't see this being asked for much anymore.
If keep mentioning the tapir is rude, then ignoring such a big part of the community is equally rude. I can't see why we are the only jerks here. We just want an answer.
And while nobody wants to get a ''Nothing can be done about the tapir model'', it would still be a much better reply than no reply.
Thanks for the update!
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the Malayan tapir model? Not trying to inflame anything here - genuine question.
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the Malayan tapir model? Not trying to inflame anything here - genuine question.
there is no malayan tapir model, it is the bairds tapir model with different paint
I understand why people don't like it, but quite honestly I just don't think it's the big deal it's made out to be. Yeah, I guess the reskin is a bit lazy, but I still like the basic tapir model.
It is a big deal as Malayan tapir is a beautiful animal
its like making one basic rhino model and giving different colours to three species
same model, same size, same animations, even same mole
quoting myself because it isn't even that...
not even a basic rhino model.. making one specific rhino model (for example indian) and giving the indian rhino model different colours for white and black rhino