Oh, is ED now a RPG?
Do you want ED 2 or an Expansion?
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Is it a single player game as well?
Not seeing the correlation myself, at the moment for me the answers are no and yes but depending on the gameplay forced on us by interiors and how avoidable it is that might change.No. All frontier had to do was commit to ship interiors, but have they done that? No. At one point someone has to break up these deadlocked relationships.
Ship interiors... it’s a simple thing... direct correlation... can we have it? Do we keep playing?
My carriers interior is minimalist just a couple of lifts a corridor, Vista and the command deck. Sometimes I jump the carrier from there looking at the view sometimes I don’t. As far as gameplay associated with ship interiors maintenance and maybe something to do with the holds if they are fitted would be nice, what I don’t want is the ability for NPCs or commanders to get into my ship and turn it into Doom or some other corridor shooter I would sooner not have interiors.
There are still players maybe it’s forumites that are going.They also said they would pass on if we wouldn't play without ship interiors... Maybe the mods are doing too good of a job moderating prior threads?
Yeah i guessed today that they might have genuinely planned on doing ship interiors after console release, it was in the ceo's plan after all. Probably the lack of target users put the feature to question. It also might be curious on why they didn't target next gen consoles, maybe they had data that the bulk of console players were still on previous gen rather than current gen in compatibility. Over the last 3 years, there have been a few samples to invalidate the suggestions that sony were giving them an ultimatum of all versions or nothing.
I've personally stopped at the moment. Don't bother asking why
Re the thargoids, i stopped a few hours after the first patch. My roleplay was to be friends with them... :/ When it became clear the actual content was just combat and rescue missions, i completely switched off the whole offering. Yes i did have an enjoyable drive around the far god cult base, and of course the pre patch community stuff with the barnacles and starmap before launch, that was great.
That's okay, seems that most people have moved on? There used to be magnitudes more commentary even for a popular or unpopular new feature when there were still players.
I've seen it, it looks neat, I'll probably get it at some point because it seems like getting back towards the scale and variation of Daggerfall that they lost in the later Elder Scrolls games.
Starfield's costs are quoted as ~$400 million - about six times that of Elite Dangerous development+operations combined, over about nine years. Its marketing budget alone is probably bigger than ED's entire development costs. People have sent real spaceships to Jupiter quicker and cheaper than that. Small island nations fit their entire government spending into a lower annual budget (though I guess their ships also have interiors?).
For the question "what can Frontier plausibly do" it's not relevant.
Wasn't that exactly what the Brabinator talked about for the Kickstarter campaign? Getting into other peoples ships to steal, murder and plunder? Not my cuppa either but probably the "easiest" to implement. For engagning gameplay other than combat there seem to be few ideas. Generally speaking "crafting" maybe.
Ship interiors is not the universal panacea you make it out to be. I did not quit ED because lack of ship interiors. I'm not opposed to interiors, but adding them without changing any other aspect of the game won't bring me back.No. All frontier had to do was commit to ship interiors, but have they done that? No. At one point someone has to break up these deadlocked relationships.
Ship interiors... its a simple thing... direct correlation... can we have it? Do we keep playing?
I have noticed in this thread that people who are done with ED are more apt to desire a new version of Elite (Elite V), whereas those still enjoying ED rather have an expansion to the existing game. That seems totally logical to me. Too bad we can't have both (especially if Elite V were to scratch a different itch), but I doubt we'll get either. Oh well, it's still fun to dream.
Expansion for me. Disclosure - I have an LEP.
For me, I'd like Frontier to expand on what makes Elite Dangerous unique - its seamless 1:1 scale solar systems with very reasonable orbital motion modelling. The "space" part. That would include improved graphics like having rings cast shadows onto their planet. Greater variety of outposts and space stations. In particular I'd like to see huge industrial-sized orbital platforms where large pads would exist.
Greater planet variety. That doesn't have to be Earth-like (although they would be nice), but things like weather/clouds/oceans. Greater variety and size of planetary settlements.
While more ships would also be nice, I don't see a particular need for them. It's my opinion that community pressure to ensure all ships can do all things has resulted in the available ships all feeling very "samey" and has exacerbated the feeling that more ships are needed. I think that if ships had been allowed to specialise - for combat/hauling/exploration/passengers/mining - that it would feel like we have a greater variety of ships.
That's my $0.02.
For me, I'd like Frontier to expand on what makes Elite Dangerous unique - its seamless 1:1 scale solar systems with very reasonable orbital motion modelling. The "space" part. That would include improved graphics like having rings cast shadows onto their planet. Greater variety of outposts and space stations. In particular I'd like to see huge industrial-sized orbital platforms where large pads would exist.
Greater planet variety. That doesn't have to be Earth-like (although they would be nice), but things like weather/clouds/oceans. Greater variety and size of planetary settlements.
While more ships would also be nice, I don't see a particular need for them. It's my opinion that community pressure to ensure all ships can do all things has resulted in the available ships all feeling very "samey" and has exacerbated the feeling that more ships are needed. I think that if ships had been allowed to specialise - for combat/hauling/exploration/passengers/mining - that it would feel like we have a greater variety of ships.
That's my $0.02.
I'd noticed that also, which I found enlightening.
To me too...
It would appear that those who are activly playing, and enjoying, current content, would like more - where, in the main, those who have 'moved on' wish for a version which might fulfil their own vision of that they wish the game to be.
With just a smattering of 'neither' by what appears to be angry forum members who dislike Frontier as a company, but are still here.
Did you make your mind up about purchasing SF yet? You were teetering on which direction to go recently - or, like me, are you going to await a serious price drop?
I wouldn't know, I got ED just after Engineers released so was too late for the kickstarter and as I wasn't interested in seeing what I could have had if only etc. I haven't bothered reading or watching any of that stuff.
Yep, that's me covered
Most... Probably...
...but not all, obviously.
...but not all, obviously.
I also think there were a couple of neithers who said that the game is so perfect / complete as-is that they need neither an update nor a new game, as they are totally satisfied with the status quo.
But can we get them to move to starfield or eve to badger the devs there for the ED features they desperately want?
I don't know if this question is disingenuous or ignorant/shallow, but I'll assume ignorance.
"Aged a lot". Game got 2 large overhauls. First with Horizons, then with Odyssey. Frontier themselves call the current Odyssey 4.0, which means they consider some other large overhaul in the middle of the way. Do you even remember what the game was like on launch? Do you even remember how the game was on Horizons? Do you even know how the engine dealt with light and shadows fidelity over the course of each large milestone? Do you REALLY think the game got stuck into what it was 10 years ago on launch?
Not only that, going through such overhaul ended up cutting a part of the playerbase behind (console players) because Frontier couldn't keep 4.0 up to the standards that consoles could run. Engine upgrade is complicated, and Frontier expected things to run smoother than they did. Ody launch was so rough that the playerbase hasn't even bothered to update their reviews on Steam, or are still complaining about ship interiors that Frontier never promised.
Please, tell me if these other "current gen space sims and space themed games" are in the room with us. Because the only other game like Elite, where spaceship based travel, fighting and exploration on a massive MMO-like scale with on-foot features exist, is Star Citizen, and that one is pulling a Fallout 76 by being developed on an engine not made for multiplayer and is still stumbling on how to make the whole thing more acceptable for players. And from the looks of it, it won't: it will just polish as much as possible (without ever reaching bug-free status) until the players accept the way things are. Frontier maintains Elite via using a peer-based system on a proprietary engine in order to not be so burdened on their server side, which allows Elite to not have subscription (that Eve has) or some aggressive kind of microtransactions. The only microtransaction we got is cosmetics, ARX yields no gameplay advantage whatsoever. Development ain't easy, cheap and trivial as you might think.
And I won't even bother talking about the difference between fidelity and aesthetics in what is being calling "graphics", because whenever this scream about "graphics" pops up with comparisons between apples and bananas, you can already expect that person to not even care about the subject. Just remember how great the design of the cockpit is, with its UI embeded in it, and how great the ship models themselves are (Frontier is indeed dropping the ball on not creating damage models for the other large ships, only Anaconda has got this love). And try the VR if you haven't, that may help you remember how great things are when you see them from a new perspective (but not on foot, that VR is gonna take a while).
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Rule the world, it's a simple thing, can I have it? Words words words..No. All frontier had to do was commit to ship interiors, but have they done that? No. At one point someone has to break up these deadlocked relationships.
Ship interiors... its a simple thing... direct correlation... can we have it? Do we keep playing?
Only if these other developers offer a forum as nice as this one! I'd be more than happy to badger Egosoft! Just look at some of my recommendations in their Steam "forum" (which they may or may not read).But can we get them to move to starfield or eve to badger the devs there for the ED features they desperately want?
Different forum members react in their own way....
Are there others who consider everything is hunky dory commenting here? I though I'd read all here - perhaps it is time for another skim read...
ETA: I found one... then got bored as it meant re-reading contributions from the ex-players too.
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