Fourth Anniversary

Fun exercise:
List your top 3 wanted anniversary animals and your top 3 least wanted animals.

My Top 3 Wanted:
Grey Crowned Crane
Blackbuck
Waterbuck (these 2 antelopes are the last I’ll ask for, please frontier?)

My Top 3 Least Wanted:
Nile Crocodile
Any Flamingo
Squirrel Monkey
Top 3
  • Bat-eared Fox
  • Grey Fox
  • Tanuki
Bottom 3
  • Any Reptile
  • Any Old World Primate
  • Asiatic Lion
 
I'd love a base-game clone for each continent, a little something for everyone. Don't think they'd give us clones of DLC animals but filling out the base game roster with more continental diversity would be amazing. Something like:

Europe: European Wisent (American Bison clone) or European Brown Bear (Himalayan Brown Bear Clone)

North America: American Black Bear (Asiatic Black Bear Clone) or American Flamingo (Greater Flamingo Clone).

South America: Brazilian Tapir (Baird's Tapir Clone) or Chilean Flamingo (Greater Flamingo Clone).

Asia: Sumatran Tiger (Bengal Tiger Clone), Green Peafowl (Indian Peafowl Clone) or False Gharial (Gharial Clone)

Africa: Drill (Mandrill Clone), Roan Antelope (Sable Antelope Clone) or Rothschild's Giraffe (Reticulated Giraffe Clone).

Oceania: Perentie (Nile Monitor Clone) or Freshwater Crocodile (Saltwater Crocodile Clone)
That would be ideal and cool. Too bad it isn't too likely to happen. :(
Pretty much my opinion as well. It's free, we don't deserve it, we don't need it, so why not be happy with whatever we get. If we get a 4th lemur, that's great. If it's the grey-crowned crane it'll be a beautiful, lovely addition. If it's the gray fox, then I would probably explode
Agreed! I mean just being able to have this game is a blessing! For thousands of years, people haven't had the chance to chill to computer games.
If it was a clone I’d definitely be rooting for any of these in no particular order
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Like I said I’m open to any animal just a few favorites. I’m sure I can always find some use for whatever we get in my personal zoos.
Like all of them. GO Sumatran Tiger!
My request is simple, give me a deer, an Asian deer.

  1. Hog deer
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2.Sambar
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3.Père David's Deer
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4.Visayan spotted deer
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5.Sika deer
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6.White-lipped deer
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7.Tufted deer
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8.Black fronted Muntjac
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9.Eld's Deer
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10. Red Muntjac
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Love Deer! And these are all cool.
 
I wonder if an ABB is less likely because we would definitely want all the color morphs and Frontier might view that as gifting us a half-dozen animals instead of just one. Although I guess they could just give us the black coat and hold off on the color morphs until the next update?
 
I wonder if an ABB is less likely because we would definitely want all the color morphs and Frontier might view that as gifting us a half-dozen animals instead of just one. Although I guess they could just give us the black coat and hold off on the color morphs until the next update?
I doubt that. I mean, we got the base species if various animals, like the timber wolf could be technically a dozen animals because it represents the main species
Dragon-Donkey that you can only get by breeding the Komodo and Somali
Reminds me of Impossible Creatures, actually
 
I don't think it's important at this point to fill any base game gap. The people who really play, love and support this game usually buy the DLCs, so whether or not something is base game accessable is not relevant to them anyway.
The people who play this game only very casual aren't that much of a zoo or animal nerd and for them they might want specific animals, but they don't care if South America is lesser represented than Africa or Europe or whatever.

We often forget in how much of a bubble we live in this forum. We are all zoo and animal nerds. The people who play casually moved on to other games by now.
Of course there is that small percentage that didn't get every DLC because they live on a budget or have other reasons (other than wishes for animals) that keep them from buying every DLC and still play the game very regularly. But I don't think that this portion of the player base is very high.
I get this to a point because yes us zoo nerds do care way more about diversity then the average person but say someone buys this game and they are from north america or australia one of the first things they may try is to build their local zoos and realise oh there is literally only one australian animal if there were like 5-10 from each continent then that would be fine. This was my biggest problem with the game and they reason why I didnt get into playing planet zoo until year 3. Also when I mean representation I do not mean the blackbuck which only zoo nerds care about the average person does not care that the blackbuck comes from a different continent than the other ungulates they wont notice representation needs to be something that an average person can look at a go this is from blank so a kangaroo, new world monkey or something like that.
Also its not a small percentage only really the zoo nerds are the ones buying every dlc they are going to be countless people especially young child who play the game regularly but either cant afford or have some other restriction as to what packs they can buy.
I agree that I have lost interest in ungulates for the year but I will welcome one from Asia, especially the blackbuck. I really don’t want the flamingo, it’s such a boring pick for me.
blackbuck wont be a good anniversary animal because the average person does not care its asian same reason i think the flamingo is a meh choice its a bit more well known than the blackbuck but people will still go thats the same thing as the other flamingo.
Actually base game sales are greater than these coming from all DLC combined, so in fact casuall audience is constantly coming. We know base game sales are responsible for 60% of all revenue from last year, which would mean there is huge amount of players who play and simply dont buy much DLCs for reason you stated and such.
People who have all DLCs constitute a small percentage probably.
Its likely because from the outside the dlc especially scenery packs dont seem like a good deal it took me forever to get any packs because I just didnt like that I was spending 15$ on 5 animals which is nothing in a zoo game once I actually got the dlc I realised the blessing that is scenery pieces and I now have them all but I can not tell you the level of disappointment I had when the australia pack first released and that it would effectively be 4 animals. This could just be my biased opinion but when I started playing this game if wasnt much of an extreme zoo nerd and a pretty casual player.
That might be, but I still dout those players - who obviously did not care to get the game right away at fuill price - sit there and think "wiuld I'd rather like an animal from South America or one from a specific biome? Do we have enough ungulates?"
If you wait several years to buy a base game cheaper, chances are you assume you won't spend 1000+ gaming hours in it. Those are probably not the people who think in animal nerd terms. Would be the same if I'd buy a random Transport Simulator now (I even forgot what the most popular game is called....) just to drive a train for a few hours. I most certainly would not know about specific train types and what are most common on railways and where they come from etc.
The idea that you have to by the game at release to spend alot of time in it is a weird take because there are many reasons you may pick a game up late. Age is one a child may have just been grown up enough to now understand and want to play the game. Accessibility as well games like planet zoo cost alot of money and equipment maybe someone has wanted the game since the beginning but could afford it or the computer needed. Or maybe like me you are really slow to find games I only started playing zoo tycoon 2 like a year or 2 before planet zoo and I put alot of hours in that game.
If anybody buys a dlc with no penguin expecting a penguin and gets upset when the dlc shop pages are very clear on the animals inside them, thats the level of stupidety and incompetence where it really shouldnt be assumed in a discussion.
And if anybody actually did that, their opinion would be more then a little invalid.
If they want a penguin, they should actually take the pack with a penguin in it, which isnt hard to find as the aquatics king penguin stands right there big and chonky on the dlc list
2 things people see cold and think polar bears and penguins the amount of media that include them together and the other is that there will be a sizeable portion of children in the player base who maybe cant read well or critically think well so they see the arctic pack and think there might be a penguin in there then the parents buy it for them without knowing then everyone is disappointed.
 
I get this to a point because yes us zoo nerds do care way more about diversity then the average person but say someone buys this game and they are from north america or australia one of the first things they may try is to build their local zoos and realise oh there is literally only one australian animal if there were like 5-10 from each continent then that would be fine. This was my biggest problem with the game and they reason why I didnt get into playing planet zoo until year 3. Also when I mean representation I do not mean the blackbuck which only zoo nerds care about the average person does not care that the blackbuck comes from a different continent than the other ungulates they wont notice representation needs to be something that an average person can look at a go this is from blank so a kangaroo, new world monkey or something like that.
Also its not a small percentage only really the zoo nerds are the ones buying every dlc they are going to be countless people especially young child who play the game regularly but either cant afford or have some other restriction as to what packs they can buy.

blackbuck wont be a good anniversary animal because the average person does not care its asian same reason i think the flamingo is a meh choice its a bit more well known than the blackbuck but people will still go thats the same thing as the other flamingo.

Its likely because from the outside the dlc especially scenery packs dont seem like a good deal it took me forever to get any packs because I just didnt like that I was spending 15$ on 5 animals which is nothing in a zoo game once I actually got the dlc I realised the blessing that is scenery pieces and I now have them all but I can not tell you the level of disappointment I had when the australia pack first released and that it would effectively be 4 animals. This could just be my biased opinion but when I started playing this game if wasnt much of an extreme zoo nerd and a pretty casual player.

The idea that you have to by the game at release to spend alot of time in it is a weird take because there are many reasons you may pick a game up late. Age is one a child may have just been grown up enough to now understand and want to play the game. Accessibility as well games like planet zoo cost alot of money and equipment maybe someone has wanted the game since the beginning but could afford it or the computer needed. Or maybe like me you are really slow to find games I only started playing zoo tycoon 2 like a year or 2 before planet zoo and I put alot of hours in that game.

2 things people see cold and think polar bears and penguins the amount of media that include them together and the other is that there will be a sizeable portion of children in the player base who maybe cant read well or critically think well so they see the arctic pack and think there might be a penguin in there then the parents buy it for them without knowing then everyone is disappointed.
Stupidety on the level of the most basic of knowledge should not be considerd for any discussion thats not specifically about these people.
Theres a massive gab between not being a zoo nerd, knowing basic well known facts like polar bears live on the north pole and penguins on the south and having eyes to see the differance between two animals.

Yes theres a massive difference in priority for new and seasoned players regarding what they might wish for, afterall if you havent build for a while you wont have picked up on some gameplay quirks for example the fact that most ungulates tend to have very samey enclosures or the crawing for something completly new not in the game yet.
I can tell you all that my intense craving for ducks and waterfowl only came about around hour ~350 when i realised how different building for them would be.
At the same time i dont see why the opinion of a new player should be valued higher then the most likly much more refined perspective of people that look at the roster including all dlc. Sure a bade game player might crave a penguin over everything else but we got 3 different packs with one, the person literally needs to just pay 10 bucks to have one, meanwhile if the entire community is craving for more new world monkeys and cant easily get them in frontier endorsed ways, then why not listen to them?
At some point the new player will either stick around or they dont, so why cater specifically to them with a gift when they will appreciate another one even more as time goes on?

Im the end, a gift is a gift but who do you want to impress with it?
The longterm playerbase or some random person who will see news of a new animal in their steam libary for a game they havent played much?
 
2 things people see cold and think polar bears and penguins the amount of media that include them together and the other is that there will be a sizeable portion of children in the player base who maybe cant read well or critically think well so they see the arctic pack and think there might be a penguin in there then the parents buy it for them without knowing then everyone is disappointed.
If you buy something not knowing whats in there, realize what you wanted is not in there you cant be disapointed imo.
If i got to the supermarket, buy a can of food expecting a burger, realizing its soup im not dissapointed, im just stupid.
 
Do kids play this game? Yes. Are they the main audience of this game? No.
And quite honestly, I won't discuss reading comprehension as an argument for knowing which animals you get in a DLC. If your reading isn't good enough to read a DLC description (or use a tool to let it read to you), you will not be able to play the game without support of someone who can read anyway.

We all can agree to disagree, no one of us will go the length to make a market research but I'm honestly out of this discussion when we talk about kids with lack of pocket money and reading skills as the reason why we should think about what regions need a new base game animal.
 
I get this to a point because yes us zoo nerds do care way more about diversity then the average person but say someone buys this game and they are from north america or australia one of the first things they may try is to build their local zoos and realise oh there is literally only one australian animal if there were like 5-10 from each continent then that would be fine. This was my biggest problem with the game and they reason why I didnt get into playing planet zoo until year 3. Also when I mean representation I do not mean the blackbuck which only zoo nerds care about the average person does not care that the blackbuck comes from a different continent than the other ungulates they wont notice representation needs to be something that an average person can look at a go this is from blank so a kangaroo, new world monkey or something like that.
Also its not a small percentage only really the zoo nerds are the ones buying every dlc they are going to be countless people especially young child who play the game regularly but either cant afford or have some other restriction as to what packs they can buy.

blackbuck wont be a good anniversary animal because the average person does not care its asian same reason i think the flamingo is a meh choice its a bit more well known than the blackbuck but people will still go thats the same thing as the other flamingo.

Its likely because from the outside the dlc especially scenery packs dont seem like a good deal it took me forever to get any packs because I just didnt like that I was spending 15$ on 5 animals which is nothing in a zoo game once I actually got the dlc I realised the blessing that is scenery pieces and I now have them all but I can not tell you the level of disappointment I had when the australia pack first released and that it would effectively be 4 animals. This could just be my biased opinion but when I started playing this game if wasnt much of an extreme zoo nerd and a pretty casual player.

The idea that you have to by the game at release to spend alot of time in it is a weird take because there are many reasons you may pick a game up late. Age is one a child may have just been grown up enough to now understand and want to play the game. Accessibility as well games like planet zoo cost alot of money and equipment maybe someone has wanted the game since the beginning but could afford it or the computer needed. Or maybe like me you are really slow to find games I only started playing zoo tycoon 2 like a year or 2 before planet zoo and I put alot of hours in that game.

2 things people see cold and think polar bears and penguins the amount of media that include them together and the other is that there will be a sizeable portion of children in the player base who maybe cant read well or critically think well so they see the arctic pack and think there might be a penguin in there then the parents buy it for them without knowing then everyone is disapp
I agree that Blackbuck looks like the African antelopes (kind of) but, I still think it would be a fine anniversary. As for the flamingo, you could say something similar for the Black and White Ruffed Lemur. The American Flamingo is much prettier imo and I'm not a bird nerd. I'm especially more casual when it comes to Crocodiles yet even I understand the want for an African species. So, I think even the general public would appreciate a new "clone."
Also, I doubt many people know the difference between an old world and new world monkey.
I do agree that the game needs more animals!
 
Do kids play this game? Yes. Are they the main audience of this game? No.
And quite honestly, I won't discuss reading comprehension as an argument for knowing which animals you get in a DLC. If your reading isn't good enough to read a DLC description (or use a tool to let it read to you), you will not be able to play the game without support of someone who can read anyway.

We all can agree to disagree, no one of us will go the length to make a market research but I'm honestly out of this discussion when we talk about kids with lack of pocket money and reading skills as the reason why we should think about what regions need a new base game animal.
The game is rated E10+ with the ESRB rating system, so I think the majority of children playing are around that age give or take a few years. The game is also fairly complex and most children under the age of ten would probably give up or forget about the game after a bit.
 
Stupidety on the level of the most basic of knowledge should not be considerd for any discussion thats not specifically about these people.
Theres a massive gab between not being a zoo nerd, knowing basic well known facts like polar bears live on the north pole and penguins on the south and having eyes to see the differance between two animals.

Yes theres a massive difference in priority for new and seasoned players regarding what they might wish for, afterall if you havent build for a while you wont have picked up on some gameplay quirks for example the fact that most ungulates tend to have very samey enclosures or the crawing for something completly new not in the game yet.
I can tell you all that my intense craving for ducks and waterfowl only came about around hour ~350 when i realised how different building for them would be.
At the same time i dont see why the opinion of a new player should be valued higher then the most likly much more refined perspective of people that look at the roster including all dlc. Sure a bade game player might crave a penguin over everything else but we got 3 different packs with one, the person literally needs to just pay 10 bucks to have one, meanwhile if the entire community is craving for more new world monkeys and cant easily get them in frontier endorsed ways, then why not listen to them?
At some point the new player will either stick around or they dont, so why cater specifically to them with a gift when they will appreciate another one even more as time goes on?

Im the end, a gift is a gift but who do you want to impress with it?
The longterm playerbase or some random person who will see news of a new animal in their steam libary for a game they havent played much?
If you buy something not knowing whats in there, realize what you wanted is not in there you cant be disapointed imo.
If i got to the supermarket, buy a can of food expecting a burger, realizing its soup im not dissapointed, im just stupid.
Do kids play this game? Yes. Are they the main audience of this game? No.
And quite honestly, I won't discuss reading comprehension as an argument for knowing which animals you get in a DLC. If your reading isn't good enough to read a DLC description (or use a tool to let it read to you), you will not be able to play the game without support of someone who can read anyway.

We all can agree to disagree, no one of us will go the length to make a market research but I'm honestly out of this discussion when we talk about kids with lack of pocket money and reading skills as the reason why we should think about what regions need a new base game animal.
I wouldn't go calling it stupidity; that seems a bit harsh. Stupidity would be if they read it, ignore it, and are disappointed.
In my case, I may read something but, because I read fast, I miss some info. If somebody reads quickly and misses info, it's not so much stupidity but more lack of attention.
About kids who are very young, I mean they probably play it with an older sibling or parent or something, so it'd make sense if they want a DLC for an animal and then said pack doesn't have it. Or I dunno, maybe I'm confused
Wait wait wait, burger in a can? 🤢
Mmm, Chef Boyardee's Burger-Inna-Can
 
I wouldn't go calling it stupidity; that seems a bit harsh. Stupidity would be if they read it, ignore it, and are disappointed.
In my case, I may read something but, because I read fast, I miss some info. If somebody reads quickly and misses info, it's not so much stupidity but more lack of attention.
About kids who are very young, I mean they probably play it with an older sibling or parent or something, so it'd make sense if they want a DLC for an animal and then said pack doesn't have it. Or I dunno, maybe I'm confused

Mmm, Chef Boyardee's Burger-Inna-Can
Thats still stupidety.
No offense but if you fail to process the information thats clearly stated, choose an action based on that and then get upset about it, then thats your fault and pretty peak definition stupid
 
Thats still stupidety.
No offense but if you fail to process the information thats clearly stated, choose an action based on that and then get upset about it, then thats your fault and pretty peak definition stupid
That's not stupidity, that's ignorance.
That's ignoring info you knew about, but if you missed it, then it's totally ok to be disappointed. However, how you react to that disappointment is what defines it. If you are disappointed, but in the end are ok with it, then fine. But if you stay annoyed, then that's actually dumb
 
I am going to put 3 my possible options per continent as candidates for the fourth anniversary animal

AFRICA
  • Grévy's Zebra (EN)
  • Giant Eland (VU)
  • Helmeted Guineafowl (LC)
ASIA
  • Saiga Antelope (CR)
  • Red-shanked Douc (CR)
  • Banteng (EN)
NORTH AMERICA
  • Black-footed Ferret (EN)
  • Alligator Snapping Turtle (VU)
  • Ocellated Turkey (NT)
SOUTH AMERICA
  • Patagonian Mara (NT)
  • Southern Elephant Seal (LC)
  • Golden Lion Tamarin (EN)
EUROPE
  • Wolverine (VU)
  • Musk Ox (LC)
  • Wild Boar (LC)
OCEANIA
  • Matschie's Tree-kangaroo (EN)
  • Sugar Glider (LC)
  • Kakapo (CR)
 
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