Again, you stated that FD alienated "their most loyal supporters". Are you a community spokesman or have been elected by these "most loyal supporters"? If not, speak for yourself, thanks.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Again, you stated that FD alienated "their most loyal supporters". Are you a community spokesman or have been elected by these "most loyal supporters"? If not, speak for yourself, thanks.
Well said. I will follow the same tact since my money has been paid, its not coming back and I might as well try to enjoy what I can of my purchase.It's sad that you feel the need to misrepresent others and belittle their opinions in order to make yourself feel superior, but because I'm not the type to throw tantrums, I'll forgive you
FD broke a promise that was important to a number of people, and they feel let down by that. Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not demanding that they go back on their decision. It's not the end of the world, and for my own part, I'll still be playing the game. However, it would be nice to hear an apology about how this was handled with a bit of appreciation that people have a reason to be upset. Being upset is not the same thing as being unreasonable.
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Especially since it will be my last with Frontier,,,,,,,
OK, OK, that will be my last jab. Couldn't resist and yes, I do feel a little better,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If you feel you should, then ok.
Feelings can't be argued about.
I feel like letting things cool down now, since this is all we can do.
The "refund" thing is another story.
Not that i called for one, but i'll follow closely how it turns out.
But that is just the problem with the written word. What is understood by the reader is often not was intended by the writer. I 'chose' to read it that way because you presented it that way. You used non-specific and ambiguous terms 'your most loyal supporters' suggests the kickstarter backers, whether you meant it to or not.
Not really, no... games contain "secrets" all the time. *shrug*
This is my interpretation of it too. I suspect if a small number of people had asked for refunds that didn't punch a big hole in the bank, they'd have given them as a good will gesture.
And you'll never have to meet said billy the kid with the solo online. To be fair as a backer I would have thought you'd have kept up a little more with what the game is all about and would know this.
Exactly. They waited until now to see how many requests for refunds they got and to consult the lawyers. They were left with no choice but to refuse all but the pre-orders, as otherwise the loss would cripple them. It may still do so. Don't give up.
Alright, since you apparently need clear, unambiguous words, I will rephrase that: they have alienated a significant number of their most loyal supporters.
Happy? Satisfied? Do you understand now? Care to go on and talk about something of any relevance to the thread now?
That more are in progress and I suggest you keep an eye on that thread, you also read other posts in this one, because I get the distinct sense what you're seeing is simply the start of the process. Remember, most people got the news on Friday, so they couldn't action any requests until Monday. If the consistent output is the boilerplate response of "Refund refused", well, it's going to be a pattern you're going to have a hard time denying isn't it?
I used the "2 year" to reply for the concern that elite server will be turned off due to the lack of profit within two years and you are right I don't expect to have their server running for 20 years either but I expect they will give an alternative(private server) way to play elite in that case. I guess in 20 years our mobile phone will be able to run this galaxy simulation.
I am not happy either that they dropped the offline feature but I can understand their point why this decision was made(they should have announced this for months imo) but fortunately I have planned to play elite from home with good internet connection but I understand there will be some who won't be able to play elite at all because of this.
If your concerns only that what will happen if in 5,10,20 years from now servers will go down I suggest you to enjoy the game now and don't care what if... becase nobody know what will happen in 5,10,20 years from now in the world and a game shouldn't have to be the biggest thing to worry about.
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Well, if there comes a court-ruling that Frontier must refund, it'll most certainly depend on the number of hours you've sunk into the game sofar. Mins is less than 2 hours at this point, as I barely played the game. But I fear that people who have over a hundred will have a hard time getting a refund on the 'there's no offline' reason. At any rate, those hoping for a refund through legal means better stop playing the game right now and hope that they still fall within any limit set.
I think the aim for a lot of individuals is to get their money back. Any collective effect on Frontier's finances is hardly their fault.
Ah but wait. If it does indeed state on the cancellations and returns policy that this is the case then this is simply a case of caveat emptor and any discussion on the matter is moot. It is there in black and white and it is up to the purchaser to make his or herself aware. Yes, yes, I know. Nobody ever reads the T&Cs. But whose fault is that. By purchasing the product we all agreed to those terms. And, remember, they are there to protect US as well as the company. that's why they are legally obliged to post them. Just a shame we are not legally obliged to read them.
They could also take into account that they were testing the game. Would you place the number of bug reports into the equation? How about minimum wage at least for all hours spent "testing"?
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Unambiguous? Ahahah I hope you will never have to write software requirements. Pray to tell, what means "significant"? 1? 2? 10? 100? Have you counted them? Is the loyalty determined by some specific scale or is it a criteria you freely apply based on some secret parameters? Again, speak for yourself, thank you. They have alienated yourself, and you consider yourself to be a loyal supporter. Fine. I hope your refund goes well!
You are!! It's the duty of any citizen to inform themselves; ignorance is not a defence.
That goes literally for any country with laws in place for most anything.
That more are in progress and I suggest you keep an eye on that thread, you also read other posts in this one, because I get the distinct sense what you're seeing is simply the start of the process. Remember, most people got the news on Friday, so they couldn't action any requests until Monday. If the consistent output is the boilerplate response of "Refund refused", well, it's going to be a pattern you're going to have a hard time denying isn't it?
Also remember the only people who have any actual evidence of who has downloaded or logged into what are Frontier Developments, so make sure you verify the facts with them behind everyone screaming how unjust their refund refusal was
That more are in progress and I suggest you keep an eye on that thread, you also read other posts in this one, because I get the distinct sense what you're seeing is simply the start of the process. Remember, most people got the news on Friday, so they couldn't action any requests until Monday. If the consistent output is the boilerplate response of "Refund refused", well, it's going to be a pattern you're going to have a hard time denying isn't it?
Sooooo you're basing your evidence on events that haven't happened yet. Hmmmm. That said though, I actually agree with you. Yes, everyone who asks for a refund is going to get the same reply. And looking at that reply it makes all those seeking a refund look rather silly... because they never read the T&Cs, because no-one EVER reads the T&Cs but that is not FD's fault.... now is it?
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