You underestimate how the average player loves domestics, this kind of mindset thinking any dlc will perform awful because it doesn't fit into your definition of a zoo is just sad. The moment the conservation pack released with a wild horse, the community went crazy building all sorts of farm themed habitats to house their domestic looking horses, now just imagine that same thing but with an entire pack of domestics. It would easily be one of the most popular packs within one week.
Winter 2023 DLC Speculation
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yes, We need birds like eagles, but No, We really dont need a 4th rhino More then a goatI wouldn't like a domestics pack, sorry.
A domestic animal can't be a priority when we had a giant amount of more interesting wild animals. I can't be more interested in a goat or a pig than a rhinoceros or an eagle.
It was just and example, I know there aren't more needed rhinos left
If that's really the case, I will purchase this DLC
.But flying birds are unlikely to appear yet
Yes, so let's look forward to the final result
Regarding the EAZA discussion, I cannot find any evidence that the organisation advocates a phase out of the breeding of domestics.
Furthermore, as I said before, major European zoos have sections which showcase domestics and given the amount of effort and expense which has gone into these and the very real value they present, they aren’t going to shut them down anytime soon.
I’m not desperate for domestics but would definitely use them and they would certainly enhance my zoos and bring greater realism.
Some examples of significant domestic collections in major zoos.
Berlin Zoo
Schönbrunn, Vienna Zoo
Hellabrunn, Munich Zoo
More information here
Furthermore, as I said before, major European zoos have sections which showcase domestics and given the amount of effort and expense which has gone into these and the very real value they present, they aren’t going to shut them down anytime soon.
I’m not desperate for domestics but would definitely use them and they would certainly enhance my zoos and bring greater realism.
Some examples of significant domestic collections in major zoos.
Berlin Zoo
Schönbrunn, Vienna Zoo
Hellabrunn, Munich Zoo
More information here
Hopping on the discussion, I wouldn't mind a petting zoo pack so long as the breeds chosen are interesting. Not really a high priority for me, but if done well, I can be content with skipping out on wild animals for like one dlc. Could be our best bet at getting some highly requested rigs (ducks and rabbits) as well, though wild variants of either would also be appreciated (let me have my cake and eat it too, dammit)
I'd also personally substitute a chicken for a guineafowl, but that's probably just me.
For me a petting zoo DLC isn't a high priority however it all depends on the species and mechanics chosen as I think there would be potential for some interesting new interactions - like interactive pellet stations where guests can feed animals, duck ponds, etc etc. In terms of animals I would love to see highland cattle, no idea why really, I've just always liked the way they look.
Bro, your metaphor is a good one, but to me, livestock is not the sauce, it's just the garnish. I think what you mean by "making the dish more delicious" in a zoo in the real world should be the exhibition area design. For example, we have a Siberian tiger, and it is still a Siberian tiger in a terrible exhibition area that is just made of cement and iron cages, and that will not change. But if we imitate its native environment and build an excellent exhibition area with trees, water bodies, and height differences, although it is still just a Siberian tiger, people can better understand some information about it. The reason why I describe livestock as "side dishes" is because we still lack many main dishes. Before the main dishes appear, there is no need to pay too much attention to the side dishes.
Sorry, I know there are many crocodiles, but I still want a Nile crocodile
Dang this petting zoo discussion has lasted longer than I thought lol
If we have to put it that way with all these food comparisons:
- Main Dish - ABC animals that actually attract people to the zoo. These are often big cats, bears, rare in captivity animals or iconic animals for a specific region. Generally these are ingame already because of the popularity factor around these animals.
- Side Dish - Other main habitat animals that are still popular enough, in the sense it complements the ABC animals. These can be Monkeys, deer, rhinos, reptiles. Side animals are still a key part of the zoo, this is where domestics belong as they are a featured in an area dedicated to them such as petting/Children's zoos.
- Sauce/Garnish - A sauce is a garnish if we are still sticking to that steak and broccoli comparison. So this is what rounds out the zoo collection, most notably known as filler animals. Rodents, birds, exhibit animals should be placed here. It is not what most people go to the zoo for but makes the experience to the zoo complete.
Highlands has animals that aren’t known though, giving the opportunity to make it educational.
Let me summarize, after carefully watching nearly 100 of our discussions about "livestock", I came to the following facts:
1. Those who oppose and those who support do not actually mean "oppose" or "support" in the literal sense. Those who oppose it believe that domestic animals can be owned, but they are not a high priority. And supporting people who own livestock does not mean that only domestic animals can be kept in zoos.
2.Domestic animals exist in many zoos. This is an objective fact. This will continue in the short term. But as for if we really get a livestock DLC, people who support this matter would prefer to get livestock that are also rare among livestock, or get more common livestock. I don't see a direction that would win the approval of the majority of people on this point.
3. No matter which group of animals we discuss, there will always be those for and against it. But as the first point says, the root of all this is not absolute, but relative. In other words, throughout the PZ life cycle, the types of animals that can be owned are always limited, and some species are destined to not appear in the game, which is the beginning of all debates. Everyone has species that he considers indispensable, but as time goes by, the number of widely recognized "indispensable species" gradually decreases (such as rhinos, otters, gibbons), and is replaced by a relative lack of widely recognized species. .That is, for some people, it is indispensable, but for others, it is dispensable or even "unnecessary". Regarding this problem, I have not seen a good solution so far. Considering that there are hundreds of animals in the TOP 25 list, I think this debate will only continue until the day when updates are stopped.
1. Those who oppose and those who support do not actually mean "oppose" or "support" in the literal sense. Those who oppose it believe that domestic animals can be owned, but they are not a high priority. And supporting people who own livestock does not mean that only domestic animals can be kept in zoos.
2.Domestic animals exist in many zoos. This is an objective fact. This will continue in the short term. But as for if we really get a livestock DLC, people who support this matter would prefer to get livestock that are also rare among livestock, or get more common livestock. I don't see a direction that would win the approval of the majority of people on this point.
3. No matter which group of animals we discuss, there will always be those for and against it. But as the first point says, the root of all this is not absolute, but relative. In other words, throughout the PZ life cycle, the types of animals that can be owned are always limited, and some species are destined to not appear in the game, which is the beginning of all debates. Everyone has species that he considers indispensable, but as time goes by, the number of widely recognized "indispensable species" gradually decreases (such as rhinos, otters, gibbons), and is replaced by a relative lack of widely recognized species. .That is, for some people, it is indispensable, but for others, it is dispensable or even "unnecessary". Regarding this problem, I have not seen a good solution so far. Considering that there are hundreds of animals in the TOP 25 list, I think this debate will only continue until the day when updates are stopped.
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I already posted it earlier but I will write it again. I See no Chance of a Farm/Petting Zoo animal Pack. This Pack polarizes too much and there is a Chance that a few people Just skip the Pack whereas I really do not believe that such a Pack will Bring so much new players or older Players which already left to the Game to compensate the other group. So from a financial Point of View and this is the Most important a Farm animal Pack would be very very risky and I do Not believe that Frontier will Take this risk.
Indeed! I didn't expect to see it still going after a few days!
In general, I think Domestic DLC would be a better idea for a scenery pack in Spring. For the Winter DLC, I would be happier with an animal pack full of cold climate species (Alpine, Tundra/Taiga)
No worries pal
Older players who left the game likely is not the target for Frontier. Players who left likely did not like the core gameplay which very little will ever change about that, in comparison new players are more likely to buy more dlc packs if the game is fun initially, any sort of pack that draws from the casual audience is important to maintain a healthy player base.
1. No it literally means some people want domestics and some people do not. People who dont care literally do not care
2. Yeah its an objective fact that zoos keep domestics and that they do it with pride so anybody claiming they dont belong in a zoo is flat out wrong. Its also not "lifestock" thats desired but domestic breeds with the big difference being that no one actually wants the industrial lifestock but those breeds kept and taken care of in zoos. Theres also not a devide on what breeds, if anything lots of missinformation or simply people not caring. And like with most things just sticking with whats most common in zoos is the easy solution because those make the realism builders happy and most likly have a good reason for being common in zoos. Animals arnt held in 50+ zoos just because.
3. Duh different people have different preferences, shocker i know. Ofcourse we cant have every animal in the game that exists but then even more so there can be actual arguments made for animals and the whole thing of petting zoos are the last part of any zoo that we cannot build for that works within the current limitations of the game aka no fully aquatics and no flying birds there really shouldnt even a debate about it. Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck, Bunny, Pony, Donkey and Guinea Pigs are just as much ABC animals like tigers, elephants and gorillas and are easily easily the highest profile animals not in the game yet.
This isnt made better when the people arguing against them either have no counter arguments, nonesensical arguments or my favorite, making up "facts" that in fact are just a mix of their own opinion and flat out lying.
Theres a point when people should wait a moment and think, where they realise that "but idk i kinda dont like them" is not a valid point in a discussion.
If thats your opinion fine, you can have it, but your personal opinion really isnt an argument, especally when common sense and the entirety of reddit exist to prove that there are way more people out there who would absolutly love what you dislike