Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

@markun I’ll definitely have to look into getting the book. It looks amazing I love nature books and have many I’ve collected over the years but haven’t seen to many books based on a actual zoo. I wish more zoos would follow through with this. I’ve seen several pics on google and the book looks awesome.
 
Here is a picture of goats in Basel Zoo. It’s my nephew’s favourite picture book and I actually have a copy too.

(I’m not at home now so this is the best image I could find online just now)

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This makes me think, I'd love some combined habitats between Pygmy goats and the wild ass. If we get them they probably have interspecies enrichment with all the savahah hoofstock which wouod be cool.

Also, since I've been in hospital and missed the entire domestics discussion. Just wanna input I'd love a petting zoo pack. Preferably for spring next year.
 
My point of view, simply put, is this:
1. Let me emphasize it again. The reason I'm lukewarm on the livestock DLC is because they weren't that important until the lack of representative species in many areas. As I've always said before, I don't think livestock DLC is a good choice until areas lacking representative species get supplements.
2. My opinion on domestic animals is really not about whether I like them or not. I think that when humans adapt to nature and want to obtain better living conditions, domesticating animals is doomed. Just like we need to supplement protein to live, for most people, animal protein is the best solution. Because we don’t have enough money like many celebrities, we can hire a nutritionist to customize a recipe that can completely avoid animal foods, but still get enough protein. The essence of human beings in domesticating animals is actually for themselves. This is undisputed. Therefore, the most fundamental purpose of all domesticated animals is to serve humans. We are currently passing legislation and publicity to let people know that these animals have contributed to us and they deserve better treatment, etc., which is good. But from a "fundamental" perspective, domestic animals were born on this planet because of human needs. Whether we like it or not, this is a doomed thing, just like we know that fossil fuels will pollute the environment, but until something better replaces it, we often have to choose it. It’s not that we like it or not, but that’s the only way we can do it. To be honest, many things are really not like or dislike.
3. Regarding livestock, what I want to say is that the many types of livestock we have today are actually basically human needs, not natural selection. In other words, without human intervention, many domestic animals would not exist. For example, in this process, in order to continue the characteristics of some domestic animals that are more beneficial to humans, we often choose inbreeding. Just like the head-to-body ratio of wild boars is hugely different from that of any breed of domestic pigs. All of this is man-made. In nature, inbreeding is avoided by most animals unless the species is at risk of extinction. The same is true in the conservation process of zoos. Major zoo organizations ensure their genetic diversity as much as possible through species coordination. For example, in the past, many zoos would choose inbreeding for some traits that people liked, such as white tigers. But this kind of behavior is classified as "unwelcome behavior" by many organizations today and is strongly avoided. This is where progress lies. Judging from this example, the conservation work of animals in zoos is essentially different from the artificial selection of domestic animals.
4. Please let me emphasize it again. The reason why I am lukewarm about having livestock packs is because there is still a lack of representation in many areas where the priority is higher than livestock.
Thank you for your reply! I agree with many of your points, especially regarding modern industrial farming (which I hate by the way) and inbreeding. The current situation is not the animals' fault, though, it's the humans' fault.

It doesn't make the animals "worse" than their wild counterparts. Also in some cases, all we have left is the domestic variant. So in many regions of Europe, if you want to fill the ecological niche of Aurochs, you can only use domestic cattle for this. Some wildlife parks use Highland Cattle or Heck cattle for this purpose.
I agree that human benefit is the base concept of domestication as a whole, but to say there is only that is maybe a bit of black-and-white thinking. I see it as more nuanced than that. It's not always only about profit and not always a purely one-sided relationship. It really depends on the species, region, time in history, and broader context.

Additionally, as already mentioned in this thread, we had a great variety of local breeds before we got the industrial-type, super-efficient modern livestock types. Many of the old local breeds are nearing extinction so keeping them in zoos and saving them makes sense.

But I also see your point about wanting many of the missing wild animals first before any domestic DLC. Personally, I would be equally happy about a good domestic set as with a nice wild animals set but I see it only as a matter of preference.
 
Sorry if this is redundant but which DLC would the Turquoise Monitor Lizard be most suitable in?

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It fits into a big DLC, in which we'll get King Cobras, radiant tortoises, spotted savelas and more. The most important thing is that the display case system will be upgraded, instead of only 4✘4✘4, there will be 4✘8✘4, 4✘12✘4, 8✘8✘4 and other different modular display case system. They're big enough to hold the big box animals.
Sorry if this is redundant but which DLC would the Turquoise Monitor Lizard be most suitable in?

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It fits into a big DLC, in which we'll get King Cobras, radiant tortoises, spotted savelas and more. The most important thing is that the display case system will be upgraded, instead of only 4✘4✘4, there will be 4✘8✘4, 4✘12✘4, 8✘8✘4 and other different modular display case system. They're big enough to hold the big box animals.
That would be wonderful to have an exhibit system overhaul, it's probably at the top of my non-animal list. But I am doubtful we'll get it at this point.
 
Sorry if this is redundant but which DLC would the Turquoise Monitor Lizard be most suitable in?

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Tropical pack would have been the ideal pack, but we got the watermonitor instead.
So i guess another Rainforest or island themed pack?
But im not really counting on it. If we get more monitors there are better and more well known options imo
 
come man,This is some popular zoo games
《Wildlife Park》
《Wildlife Park2》
《Wildlife Park3》
《Zoo Tycoon》
《Zoo Tycoon2》
《Zoo Tycoon 》Xbox

Farm content is 0,
I want to hear some explanation. If the farm is so popular, why don't any of the games above come out
Willife park 2 has a farm pack :) 10 species of domestic Animals. Its called ,,Wildlife Park 2 - Farm World‘‘
 
So far, I have a suggestion. Let's have a community vote on the most popular DLC theme. Let's set up 5 creative themes, each with two voting rights, to see which one is the most popular.This way, we are also aware, and frontier are also aware.There will also be fewer disputes
there will be more disputes not less
Where on earth in the world are you from where llamas aren't a petting zoo animal? They're in literally every petting zoo in this country. They are 100% a petting zoo animal.

It still brings the grand total to only one, but if a llama isn't a petting zoo animal then there's no such thing.
I would also argue that the kangaroo could be a petting zoo animal but still thats only 2
For me a petting zoo DLC isn't a high priority however it all depends on the species and mechanics chosen as I think there would be potential for some interesting new interactions - like interactive pellet stations where guests can feed animals, duck ponds, etc etc. In terms of animals I would love to see highland cattle, no idea why really, I've just always liked the way they look.

I already posted it earlier but I will write it again. I See no Chance of a Farm/Petting Zoo animal Pack. This Pack polarizes too much and there is a Chance that a few people Just skip the Pack whereas I really do not believe that such a Pack will Bring so much new players or older Players which already left to the Game to compensate the other group. So from a financial Point of View and this is the Most important a Farm animal Pack would be very very risky and I do Not believe that Frontier will Take this risk.
it is a huge risk but we are viewing it very one sided so it is still possible because we may just be a loud minority and a petting zoo pack will generate alot of noise and attention and could bring alot of excited people mainly casual players.
Theres a point when people should wait a moment and think, where they realise that "but idk i kinda dont like them" is not a valid point in a discussion.
If thats your opinion fine, you can have it, but your personal opinion really isnt an argument, especally when common sense and the entirety of reddit exist to prove that there are way more people out there who would absolutly love what you dislike
yeah like i can recognise that i would despise a domestics pack but i still think it is needed to build many starter zoos.
But things like goats cattle and sheep aren’t zoo animals, they’re farm animals. Nobody goes to a zoo to see goats, you don’t learn about zoos when you’re growing up by seeing pictures of goats in zoos, so while it’s realistic for them to be in petting zoos, I don’t think its fair to say they’re at the same title as wild animals in zoos like lions and tigers. They both are well known, but they’re not both known for being in zoos, ones a farm ones a zoo.
for some people it is easier to go to a zoo then a farm because of distance you can generally find a zoo in a city but for some people farms are hours away so your argument just go to a farm is meaningless. To add onto this for city kids a goat and cow are just as unheard of as many of the many ungulates we have in planet zoo comparing farm animals to lions is not the most accurate they are more like the zebra something you dont go to the zoo for but once there would go out of your way to see.
Exactly. Maybe in general these animals are side by side in popularity but in a zoo setting the bar is not even close. Farm animals are not the stars of zoos, their soul purpose is to entertain children, and that’s really it.
I agree they are not the stars of the zoo and that children are their main audience but zoos especially modern zoos are built for children a zoos whole purpose is to educate and entertain children.
But nobody goes to the zoo to just see goats, they pick out lots of animals wild or not to see, and zoos main reputations come from animals that are exotic and unique. That’s one of the reasons why people go to different zoos. For the enjoyment of course but also to see different animals than their local zoo may not have. And I would think those animals people want to see from different zoos are not farm animals.
nobody goes to a zoo just for goats but more than half the animals in a zoo noboby goes specifically for they casual only go for the headliners like the lion or elephant and the zoo nerds go for what they havent seen.
Also some people dont have the luxury of going to different zoos sometimes there is only one zoo within multiple hours travel so your whole they would go to different zoos idea is a bit flat.
The biggest thing that people are missing from the argument is that zoos have to start somewhere they dont just build reputation out of nowhere and many zoos start out with a large amount of domestic animals usually the more interesting breeds because that is all they can afford or access.

As I have probably said 3 times before, the forum greatly underestimates how popular cute domestic animals are. People who don't understand the appeal of a domestic pack of course won't see how new players would come to the game.
Yeah people forget that casual players have very very different opinions to us
What do you mean? The twilight pack roster? Yeah it’s good, the scenery is what divides the audience.
no it was the roster people were complaining the animal choice wasnt zoo enough because raccoons eat their trash
I don’t think the twilight was split because of the raccoon, fox, and skunk at all. Great animals it’s just for the US crowd anyway the three NA animals are not generally going to create a big buzz as all three are commonly found in peoples backyard. Same could be said about white tailed deer and turkeys. I think it’s like a urban pack honestly. Your either going to love it or hate it.
yeah this same reason people are so against domestics they see them all the time so they dont associate them with a zoo
come man,This is some popular zoo games
《Wildlife Park》
《Wildlife Park2》
《Wildlife Park3》
《Zoo Tycoon》
《Zoo Tycoon2》
《Zoo Tycoon 》Xbox

Farm content is 0,
I want to hear some explanation. If the farm is so popular, why don't any of the games above come out
zoo tycoon xbox shouldnt be compared to anything it didnt even have half the basics like zebra or gorilla. Also if we are comparing rosters javan rhino when its in all three zoo tycoon games the only animal in all three not to be in planet zoo.
 
If the farm is so popular, why don't any of the games above come out
If the idea of a petting zoo-themed DLC is so unpopular then why are you so worried about it? You're carrying on as though you're on a mission to hold back the tide. If it's as unpopular as you think it is, then you needn't bother.

Edit: Plus we have the llama, a literal petting zoo animal, and it actually is a very popular species.
 
Quick question to American players, are there any NA animals you view as essential that you don’t think us Europeans do?
 
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