Winter 2023 DLC Speculation
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Plus the treeless zones at the top of the mountain is a tundra climate and is known as alpine tundra. It’s quite conceivable to see true cold alpine animals like the alpine marmot and markhor
That escalated quickly. But reading this statement let me doubt that discussions with you make a Lot of sense.
You should let get people give Feedback to your comments if you are on a discussion page. If not than I am sorry to say but than it is perhaps the wrong place for you here or on any other Diskussion platform. Advising me to put you on the ignore list? I think I can decide this by myself. And Just because I answered two or three of your Posts within months make them not a trigger to me. And I did not put any words into your mouth.
" I just felt like not so much love and care was put into the DLCs anymore or the updates. It felt more like "lets quickly throw out one highly requested animal and a few fillers to make the last bit of profit." "
This were parts of your original Statement. And I answered to that that in my own words that I cannot understand your full comment because there was such a high quality improvement of the look of the animals. So the Last was my statement with my own words onto your First sentence that you feel Like there was Not put so much Llve into the DLCs.
And now to the "quick and dirty". It is Kind of a phrase and it was also my Statement in my own words as my reaction to your second sentence from above in which you write that the DLC felt more Like lets quickly throw ... .
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Actually markhor doesnt go above tree zone and prefers habitat without much snow. Its first and foremost found in subtropical forests.
People have that weird idea this goat is some sort of alpine specialist, but in reality siberian ibex replaces it as what people believe markor is supposed to be.
I’d prefer this - if only to get in the capercaillie!
I suppose people see ‘goat’ and ‘mountain’ in the same sentence and automatically assume it has the same tendencies as the mountain goat.
I was not aware the markhor didn’t really go above the tree line, mostly due to the fact that it’s a goat in mountainous habitats. And due to its colouring and thick hair, I would’ve thought it lived in rockier, more hostile conditions.
Cold Saltwater Animal Pack, let's go:
Pacific Walrus
Harbor Seal
Northern Sea Otter
Common Eider
Northern Pintail
Gentoo Penguin
Snow Goose
Ex: Japanese Spider Crab
Pacific Walrus
Harbor Seal
Northern Sea Otter
Common Eider
Northern Pintail
Gentoo Penguin
Snow Goose
Ex: Japanese Spider Crab
That would be awesome. We could finally get the Muskox and Walrus with various mountain/boreal species as well. I'd love that.
Not all mountain goats live in cold environments, such as the Barbary sheep. However, markhor do inhabit the areas around the treeline and do venture above it (although infrequently and it’s not their primary habitat). In addition, several other mountain goat and sheep do frequently venture above.
However, Frontier often include 1 or 2 animals that bend the pack rules slightly so it’s not unreasonable to see a markhor in a tundra pack. Think red-eyed tree frog, black rhino, African crested porcupine, and dhole
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Do we know which mountain animals live above treeline more often?
I can think of few local mountain species, but there's no way I would ever associate those with Tundra
Don't you bring him into this
I don't think any of these break the rules too much. The red-eyed tree frog is still found in a small part of South America, the black rhino lives in the Namib and Kalahari desert, the dhole does live in Southeast Asia even if in game its a different subspecies. Crested porcupine isn't a desert animal but it does live in some semi-arid environments.
It was competent.
Mostly.
Cant say i liked it though, or atleast not in any excited way.
All animals where atleast neat, besides all 3 exhibits but most exhibits are bummers so welp, outside of exhibits there were no horrible choices with the sloth really being the only one with the spectacled flying fox coming in as mid at best, everything else atleast made sense with a few standouts (fossa, red river hog, dhamas gazelle, dromedary, porcupine, tassie devil and especally peccary) even being quite great animals that im very happy we got BUT everything besides those 7? Ngl i would have picked literally anything else above them
Some i do respect like the quokka and blue penguin for being very important for somewhere else in the world or the lar gibbon for the brachiachtion update and being significantly different from the siamang, but if i compare this year to any of the other years, i gotta say its by far the weakest, even if just talking about the first 3 packs each and its not because of a lack of good animals to add as someone might say but by failing to add anything meaningfull for atleast me this year.
The only addition that made an actual difference in how i wanted to build my zoo was the peccary and thats a shame.
Lets just compare the last two years and note that i played this year MUCH more then last year, atleast tripple the amount.
Wetlands:
- Red crowned crane made me play again after i only made one habitat for the europe pack, so i started a mini asia area
- This year every single species from this pack besides the platypus made it into my zoo, not cause i had a list but because i just liked them all
Conservation:
- Prez wild horse made me expand that mini asia area
- The scenery might be my most used scenery in the last year, i use it everywhere
- The siamang has been used since then
Twillight:
- Racoons! My most wanted and beloved!
- i use the foliage regulary in my zoo as much of it became part of my main plant pallete
- i have used all habitat animals since release of the pack
Anniversary:
- Red deer was neat, appreciated but i havent used it yet
Grasslands:
- Emu and wallaby where instant hits that got me back after i only build for the racoon for the last pack
- Only pack that actually made me use the WE and suck it up
- Armadillo got used, all other animals atleast got strongly considerd
- marked the point where i started playing this game regulary again instead of just engaging in the forums
Tropical:
- Scenery was neat, especally the plants for the tropical house i was building
- havent used any of the animals even with me building for african suids and gibbons just before the pack released and having a semi aquatic reptile spot in my tropical house, simply because i liked other options more
Arid:
- I havent engaged with the pack at all, i only added dhamas to my african savannah cause i think its neat
Oceania:
- Respect what it did for the game, used the thatch scenery, but did not get much use out of it
- Inspired me to build an oceania area, using the koala and wombat with the quokka as an extra that i pretend to be a brushtailed bettong
Anniversary:
- The collared peccary made me build an entire south america area and rekindled my hype for new releases after being quite meh from the rest of the year
This is not meant as an "buhu this games so bad cause it did not cater to my taste" but while i learned to love actually playing this game alot this year, every new release of this year that wasnt the peccary was just kind of a dissapointment and left me not using the new content as it didnt made me excited to use it.
Each release was met with mild to strong dissapointment even when the pack themselfs were high quality and brought good things, because im just really missing this wow factor, the excitement about the new stuff.
This years content did heavy lifting at rounding out the game and its roster, catapulting north africa from near non existent to amazingly coverd and finally threw a bone to oceanian players and while imo incredibly boring and misguided in its attention it be flat out wrong to say that tropicals SEA scenery, a smaller primate with brachiachtion extensions, an alternative to the monitors that has different gameplay due to diving and some love for tropical africa and madagascar were not things that did a great job at polishing these areas of the game.
It was neat, it was competent, it made the game better but was this year what i wanted for the game?
Defenetly not, but thats okay, i just personally hope that the last pack will somewhat remedy that statement just like the peccary did and that next year will bring a similar amount of polish to the rest of the game, be it south america, europe, india, primates, birds or just covering general loose ends.
Pretty meh for me but i also cant say that what frontier did was wrong or a bad decision, it simply wasnt for me
In general pc players make up a small percentage of gamer consoles make up a large majority of the gaming market so releasing planet zoo there would be a good finnacial move whether it would mean the end of support or they just try a simultaneous pack release we have no idea.
This year was meh in every sense of the word the animal selections on paper were good there was just nothing exciting about the picks they were all safe or largely filler animals the lar gibbon was good but we already had the siamang so it wasnt incredible the red river hog a great african filler but not aa standout animal on its own the sloth was the only true strength of the tropical pack. Arid was entirly filler animals and that was the problem for most the animals were great some of the highest quality we have seen but the added nothing to the game besides the sand cat and porcupine everything is just variations on what we have they are good and infinitely useful just boring safe picks. To me both the tropical and arid pack where missing the wild card and animal so out there people are shocked and intrigued something that makes you think everything in the first 2 packs this year was too safe. Oceania is a love it or hate it pack all the animals were unique and interesting so was the build items but unless you regularly build for oceania zoos you are going to use the animals often thats why hype built up fast and died the pack was unique but not useful the opposite of arid.
The effort isnt getting lower we are just running out of animals since about halfway through last year everything essential to a zoo game has been added so frontier has been struggling to find animals that are captivating look at tropical got a luke warm response to its release when 4/5 of the animals were highly requested. The only animals from arid that werent highly requested where the dama gazelle and viper everything else had at least some support its just people only want filler animals now and when you make a pack of all fillers it feels flat.
I agree arid and tropical were boring because even though they had alot of requested animals they were all filler animals and the theme for tropical was great just a bit too similar to the theme of other packs and the base game to feel like its own thing. Oceania was great an exciting pack just not useful to the average person or the average zoo would of been great if the rest of this years line up was better.
People wanted it but because of the siamang it is now no longer unique. I like your analogy of the otter and bear because it is basically being treated like them where the animal concept itself exciting anymore but the addition of the lar gibbon was good for diversity and people still use it alot but only as an alternate to the siamang. Its a good choice just not an exciting choice.
What I would love to see is as they release the base game and pack on consoles they do a facelift for the animals along the way
I agree I use the animals for oceania more but that is because nothing in tropical interests me. The tropical pack did had very practical animal choices and that was its downfall like how oceanias downfall was all the animals being really niche tropical had really good scenery though that I constantly use and so did oceania.
It is definitely a language or tone issue because I thought the same thing "It just felt like not so much love and care was put into the DLCs anymore" "put actual effort in that animal" you definitely did imply that you thought the animals were of lesser quality. My biggest problem is that all the animals seem like filler animals they are really good qaulity and people use them often but they are striking anymore but this has nothing to do with the devs losing interest and everything to do with running out of animals.
Antartica pack confirmed
It is nothing like that french guinea is on the other side of the world greenland is in the middle of the arctic circle close to both north america and europe. Its culturally european but evolutionary its been arctic animals which are predominantly shared anyways with a north american leaning.
NOOO I am not losing another pack name from my list this year I already lost desert im not losing tundra and a taiga to another dumb name.
Greenland is absolutely North American, both culturally and geographically.In general pc players make up a small percentage of gamer consoles make up a large majority of the gaming market so releasing planet zoo there would be a good finnacial move whether it would mean the end of support or they just try a simultaneous pack release we have no idea.
This year was meh in every sense of the word the animal selections on paper were good there was just nothing exciting about the picks they were all safe or largely filler animals the lar gibbon was good but we already had the siamang so it wasnt incredible the red river hog a great african filler but not aa standout animal on its own the sloth was the only true strength of the tropical pack. Arid was entirly filler animals and that was the problem for most the animals were great some of the highest quality we have seen but the added nothing to the game besides the sand cat and porcupine everything is just variations on what we have they are good and infinitely useful just boring safe picks. To me both the tropical and arid pack where missing the wild card and animal so out there people are shocked and intrigued something that makes you think everything in the first 2 packs this year was too safe. Oceania is a love it or hate it pack all the animals were unique and interesting so was the build items but unless you regularly build for oceania zoos you are going to use the animals often thats why hype built up fast and died the pack was unique but not useful the opposite of arid.
The effort isnt getting lower we are just running out of animals since about halfway through last year everything essential to a zoo game has been added so frontier has been struggling to find animals that are captivating look at tropical got a luke warm response to its release when 4/5 of the animals were highly requested. The only animals from arid that werent highly requested where the dama gazelle and viper everything else had at least some support its just people only want filler animals now and when you make a pack of all fillers it feels flat.
I agree arid and tropical were boring because even though they had alot of requested animals they were all filler animals and the theme for tropical was great just a bit too similar to the theme of other packs and the base game to feel like its own thing. Oceania was great an exciting pack just not useful to the average person or the average zoo would of been great if the rest of this years line up was better.
People wanted it but because of the siamang it is now no longer unique. I like your analogy of the otter and bear because it is basically being treated like them where the animal concept itself exciting anymore but the addition of the lar gibbon was good for diversity and people still use it alot but only as an alternate to the siamang. Its a good choice just not an exciting choice.
What I would love to see is as they release the base game and pack on consoles they do a facelift for the animals along the way
I agree I use the animals for oceania more but that is because nothing in tropical interests me. The tropical pack did had very practical animal choices and that was its downfall like how oceanias downfall was all the animals being really niche tropical had really good scenery though that I constantly use and so did oceania.
It is definitely a language or tone issue because I thought the same thing "It just felt like not so much love and care was put into the DLCs anymore" "put actual effort in that animal" you definitely did imply that you thought the animals were of lesser quality. My biggest problem is that all the animals seem like filler animals they are really good qaulity and people use them often but they are striking anymore but this has nothing to do with the devs losing interest and everything to do with running out of animals.
Antartica pack confirmed
It is nothing like that french guinea is on the other side of the world greenland is in the middle of the arctic circle close to both north america and europe. Its culturally european but evolutionary its been arctic animals which are predominantly shared anyways with a north american leaning.
By that logic, the entirety of North and South America are culturally european. (They're not)