That reminds me soo much of Star Citizen right there..
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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That reminds me soo much of Star Citizen right there..
Alone, for the moment, yes.
Nice choice of music, too.
But what you will not be, is FIRST.
The holocaust?
Yep. That sums up the EVE Online forums.
not at first.
but soon.
my guess is ~ 20 jumps for a 99% chance.. its in my guts
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My literal first request on the Kickstarter was for there not to be multiplayer but I figured it can't be that bad since it won't affect me anyway.
So now I am well and truly you know what.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4642
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No, but minds who are capable recreating it.
In an offline universe that is shared with the online universe database you would be able to find all the secrets of the galaxy. And you may not do so but it's extremely likely someone else would share that with others or use that info themselves to give themselves an unfair advantage in the Online game. Personally I do not see the benefit of removing the mystery and fun of discovery from the game. In fact, Commanders did hack their files and gave themselves a billion credits (along with several other exploits) that only by moving aspects to the server side eliminated unbalancing the online game (which was always the vision we backed - despite the added enticement of offline which I am not arguing is/was/will be an issue).
Solo Online is part of the persistent galaxy. If you improve in solo you can take that improvement to group or open play mode(s). What you suggest would, again, unbalance the game. It has been suggested that solo online be separate from other modes for that reason (as well as an anticipated or theoretical advantage not having to interact with other players) which apparently is not part of Frontier's vision for Elite: Dangerous.
Apparently the shift for market transactions, equipment transactions, Cartography, saved games (and whatever else) to server side makes combining Offline with Online risky to the )online game) vision Frontier wanted to make.
Some find in incredulous that Frontier continued to try to solve the problem up until very recently and prefer to think Frontier made the decision a long time ago when they first started shifting transactions to server side to eliminate hacking exploits and hid it from everyone. Personally I believe it became more and more glaringly obvious as they continued with development and I feel it may have keep being placed on the back burner (as it were) until multiple ideas were exhausted to include it and as the vision became so much more than the original concept in regards to complexities and security requirements that it was decided it could not be included in the width and breath of the current development path, that it was a totally isolated development that would require a complete separation from the online game.
I have avoided getting into this thread as I have dreamed of playing this upgraded Elite since the mid-80's and I actually enjoy online aspects of it. I acknowledge others having opposing points of view and desires and I am not trying to dismiss or denounce their opinions, desires or reasoning at all. In fact I hope someday an offline version will exist!
Why does it need to validate transactions? They are my transactions, I don't need them to affect the market prices of things, if anybody is going to affect market prices it'll be the players in multiplayer who have chosen to interact with each other & the market... If I want to spend my cheat-code acquired billions to buy a Lakon 9's worth of gold, why should the game care if the transaction would be valid in multi-player? I'm not in multi-player, I'm in solo play... market information? There will be websites carrying screen scraped price information from different places within hours of the game launching, I'll bet...
Ok you are right....it will not help.
But what is now left to do ?
I can't play ED as I like...
I didn't get refund...
I didn't trust FD....
What will be next ????
Are you think all Offliner shall now leave and go ?
And is the behavior from the Onliner ok ?
Can you answer...honestly....?
Solo Online will still exist although it will require an internet connection. Perhaps I misunderstand you but you make it seem as if there is no solo play option in the online game (which includes open play, private groups & solo online).
I think it's twenty jumps top to bottom. And again, I am stock sure you are underestimating the powers of ten. How long would it take YOU to explore - not a sphere, but a bushel of twenty jumps from a core system?
Now take all the players in your shard. Multiply them by the time they spend playing. Now take your own play-time and divide that with the number you got from the first two factors.
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My point might become clearer if you look for my avatar on some of the previous posts and read those.
Shared universe is not truly solo, even without ganking PvPers.
What cheat code? You're playing a persistently online game. Even in solo mode - there's no cheat code, there's no option to mode the client lest you be banned and have your account revoked, there's no messing around with the galaxy, you play their way, and you experience the content how they see fit.
another reason I think online is mandatory for:
Progression of Civilization.
I do think there will be more and more stations / civilization progressing into unexplored areas. this will not be artificial btu I think controlled and watched by the devs with monthly or so updates. therefore to have a living growing universe online is mandatory. then maybe some events. and all that stuff. I dont think you can write AI that make up those things and work perfect in Offline mode.
I also think they generated the 400 bn galaxy - but no one really chekced it? the algorithm might have some strange errors or side products. therefore they need to also control that aspect too.
Progression of Civilization.
I do think there will be more and more stations / civilization progressing into unexplored areas. this will not be artificial btu I think controlled and watched by the devs with monthly or so updates. therefore to have a living growing universe online is mandatory. then maybe some events. and all that stuff. I dont think you can write AI that make up those things and work perfect in Offline mode.
I also think they generated the 400 bn galaxy - but no one really chekced it? the algorithm might have some strange errors or side products. therefore they need to also control that aspect too.
Not to mention the fact that anyone who IS a lawyer would never, ever, post anything that could be construed as legal advice on this forum. And even if they did post a mere opinion, they'd add a disclaimer denoting it as such, and making it absolutely clear that they are not offering legal advice via their post.
Ask your lawyer if you want to know why this is important
Nah, I have no problem giving anonymous(ish) legal advice. There is a requirement that it would be reasonable to rely on that advice. 'Someone that said they were a lawyer wrote this on an internet forum' would be unlikely to get over that hurdle. (;
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Err... yes. That is what they are enforcing. But that is an arbitrary choice by FD...
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And that's very cool & immersive and everything and I'm very glad it exists. But a solo player wants the game to be in the same state he or she left it in at the end of their last play session...
It seems to me that following DB's Q&A today, this is where we're at:
- Offline mode is definitely out. They tried but the solutions they came up with just didnt cut it. This has upset a few folks for different reasons.
- Some folks wanted offline mode because they go long periods without any connectivity at all. These guys are out of luck.
- Some folks worry about extended periods of poor connectivity (distinct from no connectivity above) - these folks should be reassured by the answer DB gave where he reported successfully playing via a tethered cellphone on a moving train. The bandwidth requirements of solo online are quite minimal and even a dodgy connection with more latency than you'd want for multiplpayer should still work.
- Some folks are worried about "What if the servers go away? Will I still be able to play it in 30 years?" Given DB's statement in the Q&A about FD taking periodic archives of the game, including server code and galaxy state and their intention to release such an archive if they ever did decide to shut down the servers, I think we're covered here. This is all the resources needed to take over and establish community-run servers and given the community around Elite it's pretty much a no-brainer that this would happen.
- Some object on principle, regaring it as a "broken promise" or "DRM" Not sure what to say here, these guys are peeved on principle and they won't stop being peeved no matter how long we discuss it. Are you peeved enough to quit the game? Your call but if you are we'd be sorry to see you go.
- We don't wasnt to see anyone quit the game over this, we'd love to play alongside you for the next 30 years. However, quite possibly some number of folks will. Their options vary depending on how their relationship with FD stands.
- KS backers. You were investing in the project, not purchasing anything. Your investment has not returned the full extent of what you expected but that's a risk you take when investing. The "Risks and Challenges" section of the KS details should have made you aware of this. Given that disclosure I wouldn't think you'll get any of that cash back.
- Backers that bought in post-KS for the alpha and beta stages: Technically you bought into participating in the project as testers, expecting to be rewarded with a copy of the released game (plus other perks) when it finally went live. You are still entitled to that, but I can see (personal opinion) it being fair for FD to refund you the value of a release copy if you want out.
- Pre-orders: Cancel your order at the store. You'll get your money back and can walk away.
According to this thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=60257
People are being denied refunds.
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