And some are being given them (pre-orders at least).
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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And some are being given them (pre-orders at least).
every offliner should decide for himself. I have not decided yet. I have runned away from EVE online. partly because of multiplayer (I just can not afford sitting 1-2 hours in peace fully concentrated on the game), partly because it was not Elite. and now, Elite wants to be EVE online.
Behaviour of most "onliners" is OK. most of them are not interested on the issue since they got what they wanted. But the other part of "onliners" have some strange phobia of "offliners" ruining the game. They do not even stop and think that maybe game is permanently ruined fot "offliners". And I do not remember any "offliners" saying FDs or EDs must be destroyed now. They are only trying to protect their investments, rights and interests. And they are still Elite fans. And will always be, no matter how mistreated by FDs now when they are no longer needed.
Don't know what to do, since FDs are refusing to even discuss and settle the issue. And by doing that, they are forcing "offliners" more and more toward refund requests or even some more drastic measures (some are spoking about lawsuits if I remember correctly).
I blame FDs for the situation. They shoul'd not promised offline gameplay if they were not ever bother implementing it or were doing that half hearted. They shoul'd have been honest from the start, since it was obvious that many backers were asking about offline SP even during KS campaign.
And the way they handled this situation is just horrible! Trust into FD is severly shaken in part of fanbase. Many early backers are very dissapointed. What can they do now? First, to stop pretending that nothing is happening. second, give refunds with apology to anyone that feels decived or betrayed.
There is third posibility FDs don't even want to heard about. They coul'd start working on the standalone offline version of the game (after the release of multiplayer version) if they do not want to return the money to the "offliners".
Semantics aside, the only reason my "investment" has not returned the full value of what I "expected" sorry, was told I would be getting is that the people who took my money decided to unilaterally change the terms of the agreement.
It may be legal and all but it sure isn't moral and it isn't making any friends.
The folks being denied are not straight pre-orders. Anyone that has access to a downloadable copy of the game right now has bought into beta access. If all you have is a pre-order, expecting to gain access on December 16th, your refund is guaranteed. UK and EU law permits nothing else.
It's not just an esoteric moral argument either - if one promise can be arbitrarily broken because FD have apparently unilaterally decided they don't want to support offline play, full stop, then what other promises can be trusted?
FYI for any that care, this was posted in: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=60324
David Braben responds to outcry over Elite: Dangerous' ditched offline mode
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cry-over-elite-dangerous-ditched-offline-mode
Apologies if it has already been posted here.
David Braben responds to outcry over Elite: Dangerous' ditched offline mode
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cry-over-elite-dangerous-ditched-offline-mode
Apologies if it has already been posted here.
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So, basically, the ones who invested more and earlier in the game have no any rights?
'Case by Case' ... ahh those FD folk have a healthy sense of hunour.
Well... seems like we have all received our copy/paste rejected refund requests.
From my own perspective, I have not downloaded the product I pre-purchased. I pre-paid for a release version of an advertised product, and from my understanding, that release version will be available for download on 16 December 2014. The product will/does not contain the advertised (evidenced) offline feature which led me to its purchase. I am basically being sold a product I did not pay for, and had no intention of paying for.
For those who intend to follow this down other avenues, I would strongly recommend you no longer download/update any software from FD, including the gamma and release version. Doing so, may compromise your position on a future refund if that is the path you wish to take.
Although I am not impressed with their response, I am happy they have now decided which direction to take rather than remain silent. It allows us to move forward with our refunds through other avenues.
Well... seems like we have all received our copy/paste rejected refund requests.
From my own perspective, I have not downloaded the product I pre-purchased. I pre-paid for a release version of an advertised product, and from my understanding, that release version will be available for download on 16 December 2014. The product will/does not contain the advertised (evidenced) offline feature which led me to its purchase. I am basically being sold a product I did not pay for, and had no intention of paying for.
For those who intend to follow this down other avenues, I would strongly recommend you no longer download/update any software from FD, including the gamma and release version. Doing so, may compromise your position on a future refund if that is the path you wish to take.
Although I am not impressed with their response, I am happy they have now decided which direction to take rather than remain silent. It allows us to move forward with our refunds through other avenues.
Thank you for you honest answer...
Yes I see that I maybe over react too.....but have mercy with me....I never was this Everything is awesome Type......and get sometimes in rage if I see emphatless and respectless behavior.....
I love the game also...I even refuse to talk to press this afternoon....
But I also keep my eyes open and don't believe all if they kick me more than once...
Unfortunately I share the same feeling. They started back-pedaling on the expansions some time ago.
Actually no - the "subject to change" bit in the "Risks and Challenges" section was PART of the agreement. It is neither illegal nor immoral. However, you finding it personally offensive, having been burned by it, is quite understandable and I'[m not going to criticize you for that. I can see FD doing "something", but I'm not sure what to compensate you but they are certainly under no obligation to do so.
Quick update - I looked on Kickstarter and it says this:
Not much candidness going on here to my eye
What I really don't get then is this:
If it is possible in the future to release the server code, why not release it at start?
Just like Star Citizen does.
Wanna play the evolving universe, deal with gankers, spawn campers, economy guilds? Have fun online.
Want to explore all by yourself, pause the game, maybe mod it? Play offline.
What keeps him from distributing a server?
It's DRM. Nothing else.
Server code somewhere in the future?
I remember the promises of a Game Studio publishing modding tools soon.
Then the company went bankrupt. The assets (in this case: the name) were sold. The buying company was interested in the name only and locked up everything else. Support? All gone, not only modding support.
It happens.
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My point is, WE, the comunity shoul'd stop fighting each other. why are we doing that? We are all dreaming the same, elite universe. The thing that just happened to "offliners" may happen to "onliners" tommorrow, although not in such extent, but some features might be scrapped. But for us, the game is just unplayable without offline SP, So, please, try to understand!
And I'm pretty sure FDs woul'd also act differently if we all stick together in situations like this...
Thing is, I was always going to be an online player, even so, I've been struggling to find words that adequately describe how I feel about offline being pulled. I've pretty much come to the conclusion I feel betrayed, snubbed and insulted. This is made doubly painful by the fact I believed Frontier to be moral entity worthy of my respect, wow do I feel like several kinds of sucker now! They've broken their word and my trust in it, nothing can be certain now. Every promise they have made is on the line at this point and it causes me no small amount of concern.
Elite is a crowdfunded game and even with all the assurances after successful funding, there are still risks involved that could conceivably lead to the failure of the game and the company that runs it. Even if us backers didn't quite get a game that turned funding success into commercial success, we would still get something playable, a la, offline-mode. That we could still play the game we wanted and have been waiting for, for decades. A true reboot of Elite.
So basically Frontier have turned around and shown it's respect for the people that gave money to see Elite again and that respect has been proven distinctly lacking. No offline, not ever and if things go wrong, so long and thanks for all the money, no game for you, suckers!
Even better still, we've been told nothing about what's coming, no hints of a big reveal and every effort to downplay expectations on the back of what looks like rushing out an incomplete product, for release in time for the holidays. Plus the decision to push always online DRM in this fashion is disappointing in the extreme, the nonsense about complexity is a crock too, it's a mealy mouthed excuse that at best, is an outrageous insult and I do feel really insulted, believe. This all leads to a very bad feeling about where this will end and the distinct impression that end is imminent. I was rather hoping there was a lot more I wasn't seeing, this seems very unlikely now, as does the survival of a game, that due to my anticipation, I had been enjoying immensely.
I really wanted to see Elite succeed, I can only hope my fear is unjustified, that I'm not forced to eat every word I've spoken in defense of Frontier and that there's more to the release than what I've seen. I'll still play it and I'll still support it after this just don't ask me to take anything on trust again though.
Yeah, I'm mad bro...
Elite is a crowdfunded game and even with all the assurances after successful funding, there are still risks involved that could conceivably lead to the failure of the game and the company that runs it. Even if us backers didn't quite get a game that turned funding success into commercial success, we would still get something playable, a la, offline-mode. That we could still play the game we wanted and have been waiting for, for decades. A true reboot of Elite.
So basically Frontier have turned around and shown it's respect for the people that gave money to see Elite again and that respect has been proven distinctly lacking. No offline, not ever and if things go wrong, so long and thanks for all the money, no game for you, suckers!
Even better still, we've been told nothing about what's coming, no hints of a big reveal and every effort to downplay expectations on the back of what looks like rushing out an incomplete product, for release in time for the holidays. Plus the decision to push always online DRM in this fashion is disappointing in the extreme, the nonsense about complexity is a crock too, it's a mealy mouthed excuse that at best, is an outrageous insult and I do feel really insulted, believe. This all leads to a very bad feeling about where this will end and the distinct impression that end is imminent. I was rather hoping there was a lot more I wasn't seeing, this seems very unlikely now, as does the survival of a game, that due to my anticipation, I had been enjoying immensely.
I really wanted to see Elite succeed, I can only hope my fear is unjustified, that I'm not forced to eat every word I've spoken in defense of Frontier and that there's more to the release than what I've seen. I'll still play it and I'll still support it after this just don't ask me to take anything on trust again though.
Yeah, I'm mad bro...
Frankly, DB's Q&A was disappointing. I was expecting him to commit to some actions directed at making everyone happy. Instead it was mostly empty-talk. Especially this one:
There is no guarantee that FD will be able to keep this promise. Are we sure they won't change their minds later? They have already done this once.
Even if they don't have a change of mind, they may still be unable to keep this promise. What if FD goes bankrupt? Will they have the time/manpower to pack and deliver the full game under such a dire situation? What if FD is overtaken by a larger studio who has no interest in keeping this (non-commiting) promise?
There is no guarantee that FD will be able to keep this promise. Are we sure they won't change their minds later? They have already done this once.
Even if they don't have a change of mind, they may still be unable to keep this promise. What if FD goes bankrupt? Will they have the time/manpower to pack and deliver the full game under such a dire situation? What if FD is overtaken by a larger studio who has no interest in keeping this (non-commiting) promise?
They'll just ignore the whole thing...
Not at all, they have the rights due to them under the type of transaction they made. An investor has certain rights. If you buy in to participate in a project you have different rights, if you purchase a released product, even in advance as a pre-order, you have different rights. Only the simple "login to the store and pre-order the game" gives you a specific set of rights that guarantees the full refund of every penny if you cancel before it becomes available. If you upgrade from that to beta access you have modified the contract between you and FD by changing your order. If you went straight to buying in to beta or if you were KS backer, you were never in that category.
You have rights, but ONLY the straight pre-order gives the the explicit rights of a purchaser.
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