No Single Player offline Mode then?

[piotrr]

Holy cow! I didn't even know this thread existed until I read about it on the BBC News Website!!!

I seriously do not understand what people are complaining about.

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What value would an offline version even bring? None whatsoever other than being able to play when your internet connection is down.

Feel free to read the thread until you do understand that. There's no reason for any of us to repeat what's already been said, is there?

But... since you probably won't, I'll repeat that offline means not having to deal with the market fluctuations caused by other players, not having to compete against other players exploring the worlds in your game, being able to actually pause the game, being able to pick the game up where you left off rather than where the "universe evolved" to. Oh yes, and being able to play it when there's no internet connection, but let's face it, everyone almost always has SOME kind of internet connection.

 

[Jonbe54]

I can understand you. But I understand also Frontier

It's not about frontier it's about perceptions, this goes WAAAY beyond the game and company - even beyond the backers. Kickstarter funds have been a boon to financing non-mainstream games that corporates won't touch, they rely HEAVILY on public goodwill and behaving in the underhanded manner that Frontier has can only have SERIOUS repercussions in the wider kickstarter market.

I played the original Elite when it came out in '84 and have played frontier and first contact and Braben has been some sort of a demi god for me, but unless he stands up to his board and tells them to stop with the corporate doublespeak he's lost me.

 

[piotrr]

What does that reply even mean?!

m000s reply meant not all games are online-only, even today. Hell, even Steam has an Offline mode that I use on trains and planes and plains, oh my.

 

[Herne]

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"I Love this thread, it's exciting."

You know, I've put this point up before and no-one has answered it: The explanation for the development changes says it was based on Feedback. Feedback from who? Martians? No, backers! You, We (collectively) have steered FDev down this road.

As to spoiling the game, it is this thread that BBC point to and say "See, turmoil." And yet, all I see are people picking up their rattle, throwing it again, then picking it back up to throw it again. The arguments are circular and guess what: You've done what you wanted to do, you've hurt Elite Dangerous, FDev and David Braben. You've been noticed. The rest of us are now also sorry you are hurt. The Offline Issue does not affect us in this way, but you are making us feel it. What have we ever done to you? You are causing us pain right now and we have no relationship with you. :S

If you want to leave and ask refunds and what ever, just go and leave the rest of the community, which, I might add, is a majority of backers and supporters, to enjoy what's left after you've done trashing the place.

Please, have some compassion and empathy for the rest of us. Leave it alone. You've said what you've said. We heard you.

While I agree with you almost exactly, this thread moves so fast that every time I press F5 I have something new to read. If they were to just get their refunds and leave quietly I'd have very little new material to read

 

[foxpur]

gnaa i hate that, so much good online games went down but they never just released the serverfiles! :-(

DB said officially that IF they close shop they WILL sell the server to someone in the fanbase.

 

[noodle]

What you complain ? In the collection box, you will have a very classy polo instead of a trivial T-shirt. Seriously, I think you've read that if a day Ed disappears, we will have archived version with servers and playable offline. It would be a reasonable compensation

I disagree. And I hate polo shirts, so let's not talk about t-shirt-gate

 

[Deyn]

they'd have to be absolutely bonkers to try and run all of that from one server for everyone playing at the same time, I'd bet that it's locally instanced once they're in radar range - similarly to how the current pvp is instanced peer 2 peer between the involved parties.

It's a fair amount of unnecessary data and processing to send the combat information backwards and forwards to the server when your PC should be able to handle it easily.

Oh please, of course not on ONE server!!! ...you would share one of hundreds/thousnads of servers in a cloud DC, but still they will have running multiple instances on a physical server or even on one of its cores. I fyou happen to be on the same physical server (of the hundreds/thousands) you might be affected by that, or do you think each Solo player gets his own server?

 

[piotrr]

I don't think anything will top the job Notch did with Minecraft. Has there been much backlash within the Minecraft community with Notch selling to MSFT?

No backlash. Some fear, but no real backlash, no. In fact... one of the reasons he left was that he had already moved on from Minecraft to work on other projects, but he was still getting complaints from strangers about things that happened on the MC project. He got tired of that after a few years of it and just wanted to be free.

Not free as in beer though.

 

[WeirdWizard]

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"I Love this thread, it's exciting."

You know, I've put this point up before and no-one has answered it: The explanation for the development changes says it was based on Feedback. Feedback from who? Martians? No, backers! You, We (collectively) have steered FDev down this road.

As to spoiling the game, it is this thread that BBC point to and say "See, turmoil." And yet, all I see are people picking up their rattle, throwing it again, then picking it back up to throw it again. The arguments are circular and guess what: You've done what you wanted to do, you've hurt Elite Dangerous, FDev and David Braben. You've been noticed. The rest of us are now also sorry you are hurt. The Offline Issue does not affect us in this way, but you are making us feel it. What have we ever done to you? You are causing us pain right now and we have no relationship with you. :S

If you want to leave and ask refunds and what ever, just go and leave the rest of the community, which, I might add, is a majority of backers and supporters, to enjoy what's left after you've done trashing the place.

Please, have some compassion and empathy for the rest of us. Leave it alone. You've said what you've said. We heard you.

Re feedback: I have never heard a single backer suggest that offline mode should be dropped. Anything else said about the beta re static universe is a) irrelevant because it was always understood that the offline universe would be less dynamic and b) assumes that is would somehow be impossible to deliver a fun interesting offline mode which is patently false.

So that's your point answered.

Regarding trying to hurt Frontier, in general people don't want to hurt them they just want them to delivery what they promised. That as Frontiers attitude continues to be dismissive and unyielding some people are getting frustrated to the point of lashing out is simple human nature.

On refunds, Frontier and denying them thus people cannot simple walk away. If you want them gone perhaps you should join them in trying to convince Frontier to do the right thing (IE deliver what they said they would) if they can't do the right thing they should at least do the moral thing and refund those who want it (in full).

Asking for compassion whilst showing none is ridiculous so I'm just going to ignore it.

*edit* nice pic though.

 

[Windsaw]

They DB said officially that IF they close shop they WILL sell the server to someone in the fanbase.

IF they close shop, it would most likely not be their decision to make.

It would be either the company that buys FD or the liquidator's.

Besides, why should I believe this essential promise when they already broke another essential promise?

 

[piotrr]

I'm seeing the majority of rage posts made by a minority of posters, including a significant proportion of those being nice shiny new forum accounts.

I may not have interacted much with you other players, but my account isn't new.

In fact, take that as an example of what offliners are like.

 

[Zieman]

They DB said officially that IF they close shop they WILL sell the server to someone in the fanbase.

Not more valid promise than the offline mode was. If the situation when releasing the server would be needed, it may not be financially/legally possible. Wishful thinking at best.

 

[noodle]

IF they close shop, it would most likely not be their decision to make.

It would be either the company that buys FD or the liquidator's.

This is the bit that bothers me.

 

[Jonbe54]

I may not have interacted much with you other players, but my account isn't new.

In fact, take that as an example of what offliners are like.

You know I post in quite a number of forums and there are plenty of people like DaveB who think the best putdown of all is to point out how new a person's account is. Hope he had it done to him when he first started - pretty mindless really.

 

[DaveB]

Personally, I was casually observing from afar but getting pretty excited with what I was seeing, excited to take a spin offline with the new DRM-free Elite. Until a few days ago when I discovered that Frontier had just thrown me against a wall and was walking away with my money, coldly dismissing what they had just done to me.

Since you mention DRM, I presume you object to "all online" on principle. Does DB's statement that if the servers ever shut down an archive of server code and galaxy state will be released to the community ease that at all?

If not, why not?

 

[Zieman]

Not free as in beer though.

What? One is truly free when in beer? I've never owned that much beer!
Oh well, at least at any point in time - in my lifetime I may have consumed enough beer to be completely immersed in it...

 

[bsolar]

DB said officially that IF they close shop they WILL sell the server to someone in the fanbase.

They also promised offline mode, which then decided not to deliver and didn't disclose the information until 1 month from release. Why should they be trusted about the future of their servers? Trust is difficult to build but easy to shatter...

 

[jhondidfool]

Does most people realize that they are basically slandering FD?
They've given an explaination and are giving refunds to those that are entitled to it per the contract we all signed by buying the game.
They're throwing accusations at FD with no proof, just crazy theorycrafting at tinfoilhat levels. Seriously, think before you post, breathe and calm down. If you've played Beta or Alpha you can CLEARLY play the game, they hav explained our computers can't run the server code (yet), but they will do snapshots regularly so in case the servers die we can have the files. They have diverted a lot of effort into an avenue that led nowhere and let us know as soon as they saw it was impossible to fulfill that promise.
I'm not WKing. Those really entitled to a refund should get it, but your KS pledge is your assumed risk. The game takes nearly no bandwith and ping in SO is irrelevant.
What I see is many people who are afraid of human interaction, and that saddens me in a game that was clearly stated as online from the get-go. It was on-line what made me pledge. I have plenty of offline games and they end up being empty and feeling lonely. Online games do not.
As I said, please, breathe and calm down. Acknowledge the risks you took, and if you really are unable/haven't played the game, make sure FD knows and you'll get your refund.
But please, for the love of all that's good and holly, don't poison this community anymore. It won't bring offline back, and only hurts the game, company and franchise that has given us all so many good times. Think before you destroy it all on a selfish impulse.

 

[Deyn]

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"I Love this thread, it's exciting."

You know, I've put this point up before and no-one has answered it: The explanation for the development changes says it was based on Feedback. Feedback from who? Martians? No, backers! You, We (collectively) have steered FDev down this road.

As to spoiling the game, it is this thread that BBC point to and say "See, turmoil." And yet, all I see are people picking up their rattle, throwing it again, then picking it back up to throw it again. The arguments are circular and guess what: You've done what you wanted to do, you've hurt Elite Dangerous, FDev and David Braben. You've been noticed. The rest of us are now also sorry you are hurt. The Offline Issue does not affect us in this way, but you are making us feel it. What have we ever done to you? You are causing us pain right now and we have no relationship with you. :S

If you want to leave and ask refunds and what ever, just go and leave the rest of the community, which, I might add, is a majority of backers and supporters, to enjoy what's left after you've done trashing the place.

Please, have some compassion and empathy for the rest of us. Leave it alone. You've said what you've said. We heard you.

I guess as soon as FD is actually refunding people that ordered to get a possibility to enjoy ELite Singleplayer offline, they will happily go away... unfortunately FD decided to evade refunds where ever possible, it seems.

Now I guess a lot of people that pre-ordered might start revoking their Credit card payments and drag it to the courts... and then this little thread is the least of your problems.

I will stay and hope this ends well, though I would like FD to just submit they made a bad decision here and start working on offline mode quickly... It may be worth the "investment"! (Did you get the irony of that?)

 

[DaveS1]

You know, I've put this point up before and no-one has answered it: The explanation for the development changes says it was based on Feedback. Feedback from who? Martians? No, backers! You, We (collectively) have steered FDev down this road.

I think I'd like to see some numbers. How many insisted offline mode was cancelled vs how many were asked vs how many people should have been asked. I can't remember any newsletter where there was a poll on this.

you've hurt Elite Dangerous, FDev and David Braben

With respect, FD are the ones to do the hurting, if they'd delivered what they promised, or at least communicated their intentions in a reasonable time and a reasonable manner then it would have gone differently.

If you want to leave and ask refunds and what ever, just go and leave

But those who signed up early to like, actually enable the game to start being made cannot get refunds

.. the rest of the community, which, I might add, is a majority of backers and supporters

If we are in a minority it should be trivial for FD to refund anyone who wants it. If that would be too much money then don't you think FD have a moral duty to listen to us? You can't have it both ways.