Another disappointment

[Dragsham]

Powerplay defo needs an update that's for sure.
My question is : does this include updating the bgs?
I play in VR always have since it's introduction.
I actually quite like the 'periscope' on foot view. I've bound controls to the mouse and left stick for on foot which surprisingly works quite well.
Doing exo out in the black it's nessesary to be on foot, although you can as most know, use a small ship to skim about getting to locations to get the 3 scans. Or a buggy.
So once again I'm out in the black with the missus and were having a ball.
Only snag is I'm having to buy her ores at market prices! She's on my fc.
She loves the game. As do l. Warts n all.

 

[metatheurgist]

There's two cashiers in a store and four customers, two get served the other two wait to get served, are they being ignored? Well, they're not being served so is it appropriate that they wait to be served or do they start hassling the cashiers and customers being served?

It's 2024, option 2 obs!

 

[Rory12]

I've bound controls to the mouse and left stick for on foot which surprisingly works quite well.

But it’s impossible to shoot like that, you need normal VR, like in Zero Caliber, etc.

I think the developers underestimate VR.
Before purchasing VR glasses, I had only flown in flight simulators and played X3. But when I bought VR glasses, I tried ED for the first time, because it is the best space sim in VR.

And there are many of them - almost all gamers who are fans of flight simulators have ED installed.

 

[Dragsham]

Ah see this is where I'm lucky. I'm left handed ️
So no, it's not impossible at all. To me it's perfect (workaround success)

 

[Rat Catcher]

But it’s impossible to shoot like that

If it's being done, it isn't impossible, is it?
I use kb/m on foot-in VR, that works too - muscle memory provides accuracy on the keyboard.

 

[Fizzatron]

That doesn't need to be suggested, it's a given. Pretty much no one cares, one way or another, about what others want, except as how it impacts their own experience.

Not caring and not acknowledging are very different things though. Likewise, it's one thing to place one's own wants above the equally subjective wants of others, but a completely different thing to expect anyone else to.

It looks like the broad stroke picture you're painting seems to indicate that people are selfish by default, though in a more moderate reading I can accept that in general most would like what they want from the game to come first. If we go with that, then given that Frontier can't do everything at once, it is inevitable that some won't get what they want, and being that is the case as a matter of predetermined outcome, what good does it serve to unreasonably expect that Frontier should cater to everyone at once and have a tantrum because today it wasn't your turn? And what's more, what does it suggest about those who stoke the fire and encourage that?

 

[Rory12]

If it's being done, it isn't impossible, is it?
I use kb/m on foot-in VR, that works too - muscle memory provides accuracy on the keyboard.

You can shoot as you please, but it's all gimmicks and not a normal VR experience. ED only has half of the full VR experience.

I don’t use my legs in Odyssey, some of my friends (from the DCS flight sim) don’t either, although we all already have Quest 3 wireless glasses.

I'm not mad at ED, I have enough spaceships. But if there are legs, I think they need to be completed.

 

[Rat Catcher]

But if there are legs, I think they need to be completed.

Odyssey was originally going to be released without VR support - it was only after a fuss was made on the forum that they announced it would have the same VR implementation as Horizons...
Frontier said, soon after EDO released, that they had no plans to develop VR further on EDO - so, unless they announce otherwise, we get the VR that exists in Horizons and nothing else.

 

[Morbad]

what good does it serve to unreasonably expect that Frontier should cater to everyone at once and have a tantrum because today it wasn't your turn?

None, unless it somehow manages to cause Frontier to reevaluate and reprioritize...which I'm sure is what some are hoping against all hope for.

And what's more, what does it suggest about those who stoke the fire and encourage that?

That they are too optimistic.

 

[Darkfyre99]

I'm one of those players who have never played ED without VR. So far I haven't spent any time on my feet. I don't know when VR will be in this mode. In the 30th patch?

Graphics, atmospheric landings, more realism, VR on your feet. There is so much more needed...

95% of the Odyssey content I’m most interested in is already in VR. The remaining 5%? I’m content to use the “VR big screen” if it will takes less than ten minutes to complete, or switching to flatscreen if I anticipate it’ll take up an entire session.

Proper room-scale VR for the onfoot portions of Odyssey isn’t likely to happen given how much work it’ll require, and I have no desire to nauseate myself with seated “on foot” VR. Quite frankly, there’s far more things higher on my priority list for when Fontier decides to add additional paid updates to this game, the top of which is landing on ELW, WW, and AW, which in turn will require another paid update to build upon Odyssey’s foundation.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

Based on historical trends, I envision something along these lines:

Power Play 2.0
Enjoy the revamped system, with old and new Powers!

Graphic effects

• corrected an imperfect shadow under the commander's left elbow when fuel scooping
• the occasional bug showing a slightly misaligned tunnel when a Guardian SLF is re-entering the hangar of the Keelback when fighting a Medusa has been fixed
• etc.

Sound effects

• the clanging sound of the landing gear of the Asp Scout on Metal Rich bodies has been reduced by 1dB
• ...

And so on!

I'll take whatever updates to the Asp Scout I can get.

 

[Rory12]

EDO released, that they had no plans to develop VR further on EDO - so, unless they announce otherwise, we get the VR that exists in Horizons and nothing else.

I disagree with Frontier's move away from VR. Without VR I won't play ED, that's 100%. I don't really play non-VR games anymore. This is evolution. A simulator without VR is nonsense.

Proper room-scale VR for the onfoot portions of Odyssey isn’t likely to happen given how much work it’ll require, and I have no desire to nauseate myself with seated “on foot” VR.

There is no problem making VR legs an optional checkbox. Driving an SRV is much more nauseating. However, we do not have an “anti-gravity motorcycle”.

 

[Threeofseven]

There's two cashiers in a store and four customers, two get served the other two wait to get served, are they being ignored? Well, they're not being served so is it appropriate that they wait to be served or do they start hassling the cashiers and customers being served?

If they’ve been ignored for over two years then I think a complaint is justified.

 

[Threeofseven]

That's true but you could say that about absolutely any feature - most players will be doing something else.

The majority of players don't do Powerplay, so why are Frontier bothering to rework that.
The majority of players don't fly most of the existing ships, so why are Frontier bothering with new ones.
The majority of players don't do long-range exploration, so why should Frontier provide anything for those
The majority of players probably won't interact with whatever the mystery new feature is either (unless it's something so intrusive as to be unavoidable, which would probably be even more unpopular) so Frontier shouldn't bother with that either.

If Fdev devoted 99% of their resources to Powerplay or any other single feature players would also complain. The problem is every thing else is being ignored for the most part. I’m not even asking for new features, I’m simply asking for a few very significant bugs to be fixed. Is that really so much to ask after over two years?

 

[Rubbernuke]

I'll take whatever updates to the Asp Scout I can get.

I'd love to see the Scout become the most deadly ship in some savage irony.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Without VR I won't play ED, that's 100%.

Your choice entirely, naturally.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

If Fdev devoted 99% of their resources to Powerplay or any other single feature players would also complain. The problem is every thing else is being ignored for the most part. I’m not even asking for new features, I’m simply asking for a few very significant bugs to be fixed. Is that really so much to ask after over two years?

It depends on the bugs, I suppose - which ones in particular are you thinking of?

Third party player activity measures that can distinguish (squadron leaderboards, EDDN) suggest that >99% of PC player activity takes place in Live rather than Legacy. So whatever bugs are keeping you in Legacy are unfortunately ones which don't seem to be seriously affecting many other people (or at least, do so in a way that they can work around without too much friction), and therefore won't be high up on the list for a fix on a pure "popularity" basis.

 

[Fizzatron]

I'm only flying a ship in VR. I'm not comfortable with a mouse and keyboard on my feet in VR in cinema mode.

I have all the equipment for VR shooters, including foot controllers. Of course I would like full VR support so I can get out of my chair and do some exercise Damn, I could spend hours chopping up Thargoids with a chainsword )

For me this is much more important than the power play. Odyssey is half finished by the developers now. I don’t understand why nothing has been done in this direction for so long.

ITT people complaining that Thargoid content is too much a minority niche in Elite, yet full immersive VR with the appropriate development is probably the niche of niches compared to Thargoids. But don't take that to mean that I wouldn't love to see what you suggested in the game. Frontier isn't a genie and we've not been given three wishes, it's is the reality of things and we must all accept and understand that.

In general, the more support Frontier get for the development of Elite, whether it be fortunately what one wants or unfortunately not (with caveats of course in the sense of monetization etc), the better chance all the features that would be great for Elite become reality. Unconstructive criticism tears down, constructive criticism builds up, and being unreasonable and demanding is not constructive when it's easy to understand for everyone here and who play the game the reality of the situation.

Tagging on your other reply here:

But it’s impossible to shoot like that, you need normal VR, like in Zero Caliber, etc.

I think the developers underestimate VR.
Before purchasing VR glasses, I had only flown in flight simulators and played X3. But when I bought VR glasses, I tried ED for the first time, because it is the best space sim in VR.

And there are many of them - almost all gamers who are fans of flight simulators have ED installed.

I agree with you, Elite is the only game that made me want to get VR and it's the only game I'm interested in playing in VR. But unless Apple can be convinced bankroll Frontier to turn Elite Dangerous into a videogame showcase for their Apple Vision, then the VR experience we currently have is not going to be changing any time soon. o7

 

[Dragsham]

VR with the appropriate development is probably the niche of niches

Clearly you Don't recall the outburst when fdev announced they weren't including VR in odyssey.
I do... I remember it well. And alot of folks spoke out.
Don't think we're as niche as you imply.

 

[Rory12]

It was written here that even inside the ship, VR is not a priority for Frontier. I think it's terrible, it's like being able to remove support for joysticks and pedals.
I can't imagine ED without VR.