Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

So, looking at how Leigong’s going - how does that stack up to Taranis? And in case of a Titan like Oya, would this make it worth stripping it down to three controls and ‘blitzing’ it in one week, over just bashing through its resistance at Moderate or High?
The first 24 hours have had just under 3 hearts go, which is about the same rate Taranis was seeing at 7 controls (and much slower than it was seeing at 6 controls). Some of that is from increased activity - from EDDN reports, the system appears about 5 times busier today than it was last week.

A very quick model accounting for the activity (and ignoring the rate data from Taranis as unrepresentative) roughly matches up with the above-linear curve from XSF's experiments on bond payouts; a curve of resistance proportional to controls ^ 1.5 is a vaguely decent fit for both, certainly within the margins of error.

This gives some problems with planning in that how quickly the Titan falls depends on whether everyone can be confident that it is the final week.
Controls
Resistance
Days to fall (heavy attack)
Days to fall (normal attack)
1​
1.0​
0.6​
2.9​
2​
2.8​
1.6​
8.2​
3​
5.2​
3.0​
15.0​
4​
8.0​
4.6​
23.1​
5​
11.2​
6.5​
32.3​
6​
14.7​
8.5​
42.4​
7​
18.5​
10.7​
53.5​
8​
22.6​
13.1​
65.3​
9​
27.0​
15.6​
77.9​
10​
31.6​
18.3​
91.3​
(Don't believe the specific numbers of days, this is just illustrative - as Oya shrinks we should be able to make a better model from a lot more data points)

So under a heavy attack, 5 controls should be okay as a target to reduce to, maybe 6 since it'll have taken some damage on the way down - everyone working on reduction then switches to attacking the Titan in the final week. But if you can't guarantee it being done in one week, you can't do a heavy attack - it could fall in two weeks at eight controls, but the second week it would probably have some Alerts ignored in the first week mature [1], and then get tougher.

On the other hand, holding the Titan at 10 controls might be easier than reducing it to 6 controls ... but would need to be maintained for three months while the smaller forces available when containment is also required gradually wore it down.

The numbers don't look great either way, of course. Leigong was incredibly weak structurally; Taranis we got lucky with and it was also relatively weak structurally. From here onwards we should be expecting months per Titan.

[1] This is where the precise connectivity of the inner core starts to matter. Some Titans might find themselves unable to place Alerts for multiple weeks due to the containment, others might find their Alerts get bogged down in multi-week Invasions, and therefore a multi-week attack would be possible. Sometimes it might be desirable to allow Alerts or Invasions to persist a little to keep a Spire from attacking itself. Sometimes the right strategy might even be to get it down to 8, do as much damage as possible knowing it's going to grow to 13 again at the end of the week, then push it back down to 8 again over the next couple of weeks. This is all unknown territory and highly speculative; everyone will learn a lot from Oya, I think.

Curious to see/hear what planners might think of that, especially with the ‘alerts once a Titan is destroyed will disappear’ rule.
That's a nice bonus in that if you're absolutely certain it can be done this week you don't need to worry so much about continuing containment, but I suspect will be relatively rare. The only benefit is fewer residual controls to clear up afterwards, which there appears to be no urgency on anyway. And if you're wrong about the destruction schedule you might regret not fighting the Alerts anyway.
 
The first 24 hours have had just under 3 hearts go

Under three? Unless I missed something, I thought it had lost already around two-and-a-half by the time we started attacking it last evening—and having received a bonus 100 Arx message while docked, I thought it would be beyond three and down almost four by now.

Has anyone a quick image of the present rings at T. Leigong, HIP 8887?
 
Has anyone a quick image of the present rings at T. Leigong, HIP 8887?
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Under three? Unless I missed something, I thought it had lost already around two-and-a-half by the time we started attacking it last evening—and having received a bonus 100 Arx message while docked, I thought it would be beyond three and down almost four by now.
Started out at 70% damage on the first heart, currently coming up for 70% damage on the fourth heart. So under three for the first 24 hours this week, not under three cumulative.
 
Okay! That will be quite nice to compare with this evening; I expect quite a bit more, given that my little Invasion activity model ended up with heavy weighting placed on Friday and Saturday evenings. For completeness, Sundays had a bit of weighting due to afternoon activity, and Wednesdays had weighting subtracted.
 
Hopefully that means it'll be around long enough for me to learn how to survive once I get to it. My record so far is not great.

So. Many. Rebuys.
 
Well fdev has stated that they want the war to end this year I believe so either the current dynamics of the war will need to be substantially changed or events will have to be introduced to artificially change things. I personally dont want to see it go soon and attacking titans is one of the most enjoyable game loops I've seen them introduce in quite some time. Who knows how things will shake out unless you work for them or otherwise have inside information there is no way to tell for sure atm.
 
Hopefully that means it'll be around long enough for me to learn how to survive once I get to it. My record so far is not great.

So. Many. Rebuys.
Keep cold and keep moving I've been bumping around them in a unshielded krait and haven't gone below 80% hull so far. If a glaive gets on you retreat to the asteroid field and if unable to lose them call the run and retreat the pulse wave will get you out fairly quickly. It takes time to get used to being there you will get the hang of it. Good luck o7
 
Well fdev has stated that they want the war to end this year I believe so either the current dynamics of the war will need to be substantially changed or events will have to be introduced to artificially change things.
The gods have decided thusly, therefore the path for us lower creatures has been established and this we must follow.

Until the gods decide otherwise.
 
Here you go feel free to interpret it as you wish but this paragraph stands out to me

"The conclusion of the Thargoid War and the introduction of a new Powerplay system will change the galaxy like never before. A changed galaxy is going to need new ships to explore it with! We'll be releasing at least 4 new variant ships in 2024, each with new looks and capabilities, including the magnificent Python MkII featured above!"

You asked for a source and my source is the 2024 roadmap hope you find this satisfactory.
 
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Hopefully that means it'll be around long enough for me to learn how to survive once I get to it. My record so far is not great.

So. Many. Rebuys.

If you’re learning, start off with a fast, cold ship. Go for a phantom, mamba, or clipper rather than something heavier like a krait 2. IMO speed is a much better defence against Thargoids than raw hull strength. You might have a bit less firepower but it will still be plenty to rack up the bonds.
 
There's certainly plenty of evidence to suggest that they intend it to come to an end, at least in the "8 Titans attack the bubble" phase - rather less so on whether they absolutely need it to be all neatly tidied up by the time Powerplay releases or on any other specified schedule.

Things like "making the Control curve for Leigong and others tougher than at Taranis" suggest the opposite of urgency. Keeping the system difficulties-by-distance on the same "Thargoid net victory" curve they were on before is dramatically sensible and means that Invasion fans will have something to do for the next several months ... but again, significantly adds to the time required to win.

I guess there's three possibilities:
1) Frontier don't have a particular end date in mind, they're just trying to encourage some early excitement with a couple of "easy" wins before Titan attacks become more "ongoing" content like rescues, spires, invasions, etc.: the war content is complete but the war itself isn't.
2) Frontier have an approximate end date in mind, but it's some time well into 2025 or 2026 to give them time to do the work on the next stage of the conflict after Powerplay and "new feature" are done.
3) Frontier have a particular end date in 2024 in mind, but have completely messed up their calculations of how long it will take, and are about to get the same shock a lot of players doing linear extrapolation are going to get once the frontier at Oya starts to push towards systems like Daruwach.
 
If you’re learning, start off with a fast, cold ship. Go for a phantom, mamba, or clipper rather than something heavier like a krait 2. IMO speed is a much better defence against Thargoids than raw hull strength. You might have a bit less firepower but it will still be plenty to rack up the bonds.
I agree, my son was racking up more credits with his Krait vs my Cutter that had way more firepower, though my Cutter was definitely useful as the 7a limpet controller definitely kept him in the fight longer than he otherwise would have been, he was down to 3% hull at one point lol. But having said that, maybe a hull-tank is a good way to stay in there long enough to get oriented and used to the surroundings as my son still ate two rebuys and I survived fine.

I will reiterate what others have said; the asteroids are your friend and provide cover to retreat or engage.
 
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There's certainly plenty of evidence to suggest that they intend it to come to an end, at least in the "8 Titans attack the bubble" phase - rather less so on whether they absolutely need it to be all neatly tidied up by the time Powerplay releases or on any other specified schedule.

Things like "making the Control curve for Leigong and others tougher than at Taranis" suggest the opposite of urgency. Keeping the system difficulties-by-distance on the same "Thargoid net victory" curve they were on before is dramatically sensible and means that Invasion fans will have something to do for the next several months ... but again, significantly adds to the time required to win.

I guess there's three possibilities:
1) Frontier don't have a particular end date in mind, they're just trying to encourage some early excitement with a couple of "easy" wins before Titan attacks become more "ongoing" content like rescues, spires, invasions, etc.: the war content is complete but the war itself isn't.
2) Frontier have an approximate end date in mind, but it's some time well into 2025 or 2026 to give them time to do the work on the next stage of the conflict after Powerplay and "new feature" are done.
3) Frontier have a particular end date in 2024 in mind, but have completely messed up their calculations of how long it will take, and are about to get the same shock a lot of players doing linear extrapolation are going to get once the frontier at Oya starts to push towards systems like Daruwach.
Indeed, just destroying the Titans might not be the end of the war. Just having the siege of the bubble broken doesn't mean the whole conflict would be over. Counterattack?
 
Here you go feel free to interpret it as you wish but this paragraph stands out to me

"The conclusion of the Thargoid War and the introduction of a new Powerplay system will change the galaxy like never before. A changed galaxy is going to need new ships to explore it with! We'll be releasing at least 4 new variant ships in 2024, each with new looks and capabilities, including the magnificent Python MkII featured above!"
Thank you!
You see, there is a tiny but important difference between "they said that" and "I think they meant that". We don't know yet how this conclusion of the war will look like and what final form it will take. Will it end completely, or remain as part of the game somehow, or even will be integrated in PP 2.0? Personally I can't wait to see how they will turn whole this story.
 
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