Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Blaggerdy said:
Not sure if sale numbers show in the journal but would be about 350-370 samples I guess
System went from 0.179624 to 24%
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Taking 360 samples, that gives a surprisingly close strength estimate with 5963 given the low-precision posterior progress! Our slightly-over-reality lines say 5911 for Hyades Sector FB-N b7-2.


Blaggerdy said:
Believe progress is not lost at defeated Titan systems
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Correct!


Blaggerdy said:
Was thinking to chip away at the three outer systems
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By all means—although, would you consider live targets such as Vasupari (56% with ~3917 remaining)?


Blaggerdy said:
Is the spire still active and will the 85% rule work on the remaining 10 Controls
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We know not whether a spare Spire site would work to clear pacified Control systems, although we do know that a previous Spire site cannot be used again that way.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Aleks Zuno said:
although we do know that a previous Spire site cannot be used again that way.
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On that note, the Lyncis spire system claims that it is “active” again in terms of the periphery progress after its recapture, but it’s now a little too late to go and test whether it actually does/has been stealth-fixed (or changed?) by Frontier. However, if it does not progress with the sample hand-ins which were gathered last week, or only with the other spire, I suppose that’ll be at least a partial answer.

(Image courtesy of yttrbio… or is the y a capital letter again?)
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Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
Kira Goto said:
On that note, the Lyncis spire system claims that it is “active” again in terms of the periphery progress after its recapture, but it’s now a little too late to go and test whether it actually does/has been stealth-fixed (or changed?) by Frontier. However, if it does not progress with the sample hand-ins which were gathered last week, or only with the other spire, I suppose that’ll be at least a partial answer.

(Image courtesy of yttrbio… or is the y a capital letter again?)
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There's no Banshees, Revenants or semi refined minerals present. Looks dead, but good for collecting Coral Sap and a couple of Impure minerals.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Felix DiCestria said:
There's no Banshees, Revenants or semi refined minerals present. Looks dead, but good for collecting Coral Sap and a couple of Impure minerals.
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That's weird, because someone else reported it being active earlier, on Thursday (in the Oya-specific DCoH channel on discord). And it is progressing equally alongside the Cephei site by all looks, though it is also possible that the sample deliveries are just keeping up and the point I looked at Overwatch for had the system sit at exactly 90%.
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
Felix DiCestria said:
There's no Banshees, Revenants or semi refined minerals present. Looks dead, but good for collecting Coral Sap and a couple of Impure minerals.
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Went down there thursday, spire was active with both banshee & orthrus at that time,
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Revisited just now, seeing inbound, outbound, and banshee FSD missiles... not sure what could cause our differing experiences here.
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CMDR Vulkarius

CMDR Vulkarius
Ahoyhoy, thought I'd show something I've been piecing together ;)
No idea if it'll be useful, basically need to try it to find out.

So I rushed to get INTRA showing us our FC cargo before opening any orders, get those salvage systems revealed.
We'd like to buy samples for wherever though, sold to whichever carrier combo.
I've added us an option to "publish" cargo, can be set by item and system + wildcards + multiple entries.
E.g. "cyclops samples for Fotlandjera", "scout samples anywhere", "everything for Montioch".

Here's an indev public view of my carrier set to show all scout samples + all from Taranis
(Don't mind the old API snapshot from a couple weeks ago I'm using as test data) :D
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Point is that's only what I've published, so it's hiding other stuff like the 2k tritium I had.

Inject a fake CMDR with a dummy carrier-
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Now it can show all stuff for that one system, who has it and where-
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From there it's not a huge step to add system progress, remaining strength, etc.
As said, no idea how useful it'll be, wanted to try it though :D
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
Wednesday would have been while it was still an Alert, so that would explain it - Thursday downtime is when state updates are processed, from alert to control, from invasion to cleared, and so on.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Some more recon on that spire situation - it does appear to be fixed that they don't reactivate when retaken by Thargoids. HIP 22350 and Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-5 both were taken out previously but are now marked as having a spire site in the galmap UI, despite spending a few weeks/months as regular controls*. Visiting the former, I see Orthrus come and go, active Banshees, Scout packs, you name it. What I can't say is whether their contribution to a periphery is active again, but I am going to give it a cautious yes, with the addendum of 'Should be verified'(which I am not in a position for).

Addendum - Taranis spires are not marked as spire controls, so 'shutting down' a Titan also prompts spires to remain inactive. And they are also defunct upon visiting one... for now, anyway.

So, I guess this tells us that Palin's contaminant is only temporarily effective, if that, as opposed to the massacre of (mostly) defenseless Orthrus prompting the Thargoids to ditch the sites. And maybe it allows for "Let Thargoids retake a spire if needed" to be done, if their peripheral progress component functions after recapture. But that'd have to be done through a test at a spire which was recaptured at one of the less active Titans.

*Exceptions remain around Indra and Cocijo as Hyades Sector DX-H a11-1 and Col 285 Sector YT-F b12-2 respectively. Those systems are not marked as "Has a spire site" despite the fact that one is located in them. Why, well, I don't know. So there is still some mystery left surrounding the subject, and I guess it's best to not rely on Thargoids retaking a spire for inner core clearance.
 

Jack Brolin

Jack Brolin
Progress doesn't seem to be slowing at Cephei Sector XO-A B3, I went for a nosey in a comically under-prepared Viper and it seemed pretty busy still. There were like 5 Cyclops chasing everyone away though 😅 Guess I'll take something marginally more sensible back & help mop up scouts for anyone still at it.
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
Given that situation, both spires in Oya going down and the evident activity - directing the spire enthusiasts that listen to me towards Hadad for the remainder of the week.

We'll see how things go, a spire with 1/8th the gravity should be welcome at least, and parking to reach the best option I could spot should only improve over time.
 

CMDR Mechan

CMDR Mechan
Grimscrub said:
Given that situation, both spires in Oya going down and the evident activity - directing the spire enthusiasts that listen to me towards Hadad for the remainder of the week.

We'll see how things go, a spire with 1/8th the gravity should be welcome at least, and parking to reach the best option I could spot should only improve over time.
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Good call!

Medi0cr3 will bring up with DCoH proposal to officialize Hadad as "next target" - let's take a few days to discuss that official proposal.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Well, even with my relative lack of involvement, I'll just offer a "Good job" and, yeah, I'm still terrible at this congratulating thing. But it is nice to see these sorts of community initiatives working out...

... providing no further plot twists come from the Titan(Frontier), but bar it entering a temporary invulnerability state or reclaiming controls without any forewarning, I don't see anything saving it. And I would think the sudden 30 panic alerts was good enough already.
 

Blaggerdy

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Grimscrub said:
Given that situation, both spires in Oya going down and the evident activity - directing the spire enthusiasts that listen to me towards Hadad for the remainder of the week.

We'll see how things go, a spire with 1/8th the gravity should be welcome at least, and parking to reach the best option I could spot should only improve over time.
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Will give that a go later. 505 samples sold and 11 Scythes / 16 scouts downed on my Vasupari break
 

CMDR Mechan

CMDR Mechan
Aleks Zuno said:
Especially given the arbitrary extra Alerts last week, I think it is fair to suggest that little is going to be particularly predictable!




Do note that some Commanders have a very strong preference for attacking the Titan, resistance or otherwise, and have been doing so for a while now! Beyond standard respect for preferences, actually I applaud it—things would be easier for us were more Commanders willing to do it. Last week was a quite good example; we have done a Titan with seven Control before, so in the purely objective sense it is actually a strategic mistake not to have destroyed the Titan earlier.

The direct assault started a while ago, but enough Commanders chose the Alert distraction that such had to become the path forward!
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I will clarify one thing about the "strategic mistake" comment.

We did go for it. We called a DCoH war council as well to discuss live and see what we could mobilize and what forces we could muster.

We were way, WAY short of the 22,000 thermal cores needed to take down Oya that week. As in, the combined forces we could assemble there and then could not even commit 4,000.

It wasn't a strategic mistake. It was tied to the realization of what forces we had, and what we could do with them. It was a strategic choice.
The "we have done a Titan with seven control before" logic no longer applies. We will not see the same level of community engagement as there was with taking down the first Titan. It just won't happen again. Certainly not on Titan #3, and even less so on future ones.

We as a community do not have the realistic means to change that, no matter how strong we clamor about it. The best we can do is create momentum and rely on FOMO and the "snowball effect" that comes with it. But in the case of Oya last week, we provenly didn't have the numbers to create such snowball effect.

Furthermore the "can damage the core at any time" bug was fixed, and that's in and of itself a 20-30% damage reduction other things being equal. And the "core gets stuck" bug isn't fixed, which by now has resulted in widespread frustration among Titan-goers.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Grimscrub said:
Given that situation, both spires in Oya going down and the evident activity - directing the spire enthusiasts that listen to me towards Hadad for the remainder of the week.
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I was withholding asking about anything such as that until the M. Hadad periphery is worth a bit more in terms of total strength, but that would be lovely! We have at least cleared it such that the outermost Control system contains a Spire site; that is to say, the periphery congestion has begun.

Come the time and given that I value a lot the sheer amount of Commander time spent on besieging Spires, I intended also to suggest that aiming for 66% weekly¹ is quite fine to keep a periphery progressing, while also removing the outer Matrix systems themselves. I recall the original M. Leigong periphery becoming blocked with around five useless Spires!

In any case, M. Hadad will be very much easier to clear, the second-easiest of all. INIV will be offering generous credits for Research cargo, although ultimately I believe we could meet any given 15% strength Control periphery in any given week.

For this week specifically, we are still targeting a few non-peripheral attackers, but definitely a good amount of peripheral progress will let us remove several peripheral systems, including non-attackers! On our immediate list are:
  • Col 285 Sector WN-Z b14-0 almost ready for delivery.
  • Col 285 Sector WN-Z b14-1 for which I need to check whether @Captain-MD has anything stored before attacking it.
  • Vasupari, of course!
Following those are three peripheral attackers, then I was considering one more non-peripheral attacker, but if the periphery has progress then we will target the peripheral non-attackers instead.

1. Typically, that is; week 72 is quite atypical!
 
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