DLC18 discussion and predictions

I stand by my claim that: general scrublands/savannah>african safari
Yeah I know I said Africa pack in the paragraph but I did add a couple Asian and South American species to my roster. There are so many species that they could choose from and so many that have easy rigs to clone and use as a base for a generic scrublands/savanna theme:
  • Baboon
  • Secretary Bird
  • Ratel
  • Serval
  • Blackbuck
  • Masai Giraffe
  • Nilgai
  • Patagonian Mara
  • Greater Rhea
  • Ferret
  • Almost any African ungulate
  • Ground Hornbill
  • Marabou Stork
  • Hyrax
  • Spurred Tortoise
Almost all of these have some sort of rig to easily go off of and all of them would be fairly appreciated (except for the african ungulates probably)
 
Yeah I know I said Africa pack in the paragraph but I did add a couple Asian and South American species to my roster. There are so many species that they could choose from and so many that have easy rigs to clone and use as a base for a generic scrublands/savanna theme:
  • Baboon
  • Secretary Bird
  • Ratel
  • Serval
  • Blackbuck
  • Masai Giraffe
  • Nilgai
  • Patagonian Mara
  • Greater Rhea
  • Ferret
  • Almost any African ungulate
  • Ground Hornbill
  • Marabou Stork
  • Hyrax
  • Spurred Tortoise
Almost all of these have some sort of rig to easily go off of and all of them would be fairly appreciated (except for the african ungulates probably)
Made a concept for a savannah pack recently that was:
-Secretary
-Rhea
-Mara
-Blackbuck
-Argentine Tegu
-Patas Monkey (or baboon)
-Honeybadger
-Cobra

Which is pretty much the ideal version of a savannah pack in my eyes. It provides the two missing essentials for patagonia + a very versatile and new type of habitat reptile for SA, 2 part of the 3 missing parts + the Badger for India (aswell as africa obv), the highly requested secretary bird and a monkey. Filling alot of holes in the roster while staying nice and diverse, which to me atleast should really be the goal of animal packs.
 
Made a concept for a savannah pack recently that was:
-Secretary
-Rhea
-Mara
-Blackbuck
-Argentine Tegu
-Patas Monkey (or baboon)
-Honeybadger
-Cobra

Which is pretty much the ideal version of a savannah pack in my eyes. It provides the two missing essentials for patagonia + a very versatile and new type of habitat reptile for SA, 2 part of the 3 missing parts + the Badger for India (aswell as africa obv), the highly requested secretary bird and a monkey. Filling alot of holes in the roster while staying nice and diverse, which to me atleast should really be the goal of animal packs.
Where coati and SA monkey here?

I like the rest of the options though
 
I'm flip flopping when I think the next pack will be released, but I think I am leaning towards a June release. Not everyone watches the streams and follows along, so even though they addressed it, there will still probably be people who are concerned that there is no more packs if they wait past June/July. Plus, seeing how this DLCs content (not the update) seems pretty lacking in terms of high effort animals (seeing all the animals today confirms this, one is literally a dark brown somali wild ass and the cow doesn't have a lot of detail in its coat like the sloth bear, kinda sloppy imo but we'll see on launch day) I think that this was their extra time to finish up the high budget animals for the next pack, hopefully applying that sloth bear fluffiness to my baboon friend.
I agree the highland cows hair looks weirdly flat hopefully just the lighting. I like all the time went into the guest stuff considering from what we have seen and heard guests are now able to leave the path in walkthrough habitats and interact with close to a dozen animals that we know of reindeer, lemurs, raccoons, capybara and all the pack animals.

Im leaning towards a mid july release which will 2-3 months after barnyards release.
 
Where coati and SA monkey here?
Why on earth would you put a SA monkey in a pack for a biome that has barely any trees?
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The Safari pack may not be restricted to African safari, it can be a worldwide theme that includes Coati and Blackbucks since there are safari in Pantanal and Indian savanna.
Yeah this is where I was going in the original concept, however I don’t see the coati in this kind of pack, blackbuck yea
 
Personally i think a return to the usual cycle is the most likely, so mid june i guess?
I'm flip flopping when I think the next pack will be released, but I think I am leaning towards a June release. Not everyone watches the streams and follows along, so even though they addressed it, there will still probably be people who are concerned that there is no more packs if they wait past June/July. Plus, seeing how this DLCs content (not the update) seems pretty lacking in terms of high effort animals (seeing all the animals today confirms this, one is literally a dark brown somali wild ass and the cow doesn't have a lot of detail in its coat like the sloth bear, kinda sloppy imo but we'll see on launch day) I think that this was their extra time to finish up the high budget animals for the next pack, hopefully applying that sloth bear fluffiness to my baboon friend.
I'm really not sure what to think. The fact that they said "later on this year" rather than "this summer" makes me think it could be a fall release. But that also feels like way too long...

Late June could be a nice middle-ground. It's about 2 months since the last pack released (which is later than usual, anyway) and any later... July just feels like a bad month to release what is probably intended to be a major release. And, TBH, getting another outsource_lqa update within the 2-3 weeks following launch would put it on pace with that next JWE2 DLC and when that is likely coming.

My gut was initially telling me a fall release was likely but, like I said above that just feels like too long a stretch to go without anything new. I'm already hoping they tease a little something like they did for JWE2 in the next monthly Unlocked. I feel like that's a nice, fun little way to keep folks at bay.

The animals i would be excited about, and there are actually quite alot, are almost exlusively oddballs, aside from the coati, mara and whatever monkey frontier puts in the Pack (I swear to god frontier, i know youre chronically allergic to them but there better be a monkey in there).

And this is why even though SA deserves the attention way more and it will probably get some in time, I prefer another Africa pack because it serves to frontiers strengths, or at least some sort of hot climate desert pack - and no, not just "Arid 2.0" a Safari expedition style pack that has a free update alongside it introducing larger safari vehicles as well as more interactions between animals and the vehicles, or giraffe feeding - essentially expanding on the concept of encounters in the current update. I brought this pack idea up earlier but it didn't get much notice cause SA was the focus as usual lately. A cat, a couple unique ungulates, and 2 meta wishlist animals that have been heavily wanted recently seems like a banger to me.
Man, I just want them to deviate away from any particular biome or region for a final pack. Doing that would leave far too many animals on the table that we might get otherwise. I'm with you in that a safari pack could be really cool (e.g., secretary bird, baboon, serval, honey badger, rock hyrax, and an ungulate or two). And the features they could add would be great. But given the focus on South America that's seem to have taken hold I think people would be really disappointed. And honestly, the two key animals for that pack (secretary bird, baboon) would fit just as well with a broader theme.

And that's where I'm leaning. Something broader, more general. They could focus on the meta wishlist as a final hurrah. It's got a ton of variability up top and could also explain why they opted for a pack theme that ignored the wishlist completely. It would also be a nice book-end to focus on a broader scope of the world rather than one specific region or environment.

And TBH, contrary to popular belief most of the high-ranking animals now aren't "extra effort" given the existing rigs or animation sets they could use as a starting place. I'm sure a lot of love and care would be put into them but... They're very feasible within a normal pack "budget." At least that's what I'm parroting and choosing to believe from people smarter than me who have knowledge of Frontier's processes, how the rigs and animations work, etc. :ROFLMAO:

The focus on the "standard" themes on this forum is interesting. Because Frontier has proven with multiple packs now that if there's a feature they want to implement, an animal they want to get in-game, or scenery to add? They're gonna do it. That's how we got Aquatic, Conservation, Twilight, and now Barnyard. That's 23.5% of the DLC packs! Why not one last time?
 
african safari
I agree that after experiencing Oceania, Eurasia, and farms, perhaps PZ will return to Africa again.
The first reason is that every summer, the theme is mainly focused on grassland or desert ecology.
The second reason is that the Secretary Bird ranks first in the wish list
More importantly, there are many ungulates or other animals in Africa that can be cloned, so that they can complete this DLC in a short period of time :ROFLMAO:
 
And TBH, contrary to popular belief most of the high-ranking animals now aren't "extra effort" given the existing rigs or animation sets they could use as a starting place. I'm sure a lot of love and care would be put into them but... They're very feasible within a normal pack "budget." At least that's what I'm parroting and choosing to believe from people smarter than me who have knowledge of Frontier's processes, how the rigs and animations work, etc. :ROFLMAO:
Well they are. Animal packs usually have 1 or 2 "high effort" 1 or 2 "medium effort" ones and the rest are more or less just reskins. Not set in stone ofcourse but its the general trend.
Take eurasia for example, Swan was the high effort one, wolverine the medium and the rest were pretty much reskins with some tweaks or new animatins here or there.
Same with arid, porcupine was the high, cat and i guess the donkey due to its new animation set were the medium ones and the rest were reskins.
If you look at the top of the wishlist: coati, secretary, definetly spidermonkey and tree kangaroo, howler, baboon, pelican, mara, tamarin, all of them are high or medium category animals in my eyes. Whereas animal that can be done with a simple reskin are still there ofcourse, but they are definetly not the majority. In the top 15 it really just comes down to the blackbuck, bear, markhor, ocelot and musk ox (the last one debatably being a medium one due to the fur)

Im not saying its impossible Frrontier is going to put a little more effort into the next, perhaps final pack, especially since the barnyard pack was very much on the simple side as far as animals go.
But were definetly not going to see an animal pack that is: Secretary, coati, baboon, howler, treekangaroo, pelican and spider monkey for example
 
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I hope it will be a world travel DLC. Here is my list:
1. Africa: Secretary bird, shoebill stork.
2. Europe: Eurasian otter.
3. Asia: PD deer, yellow-throated marten, golden pheasant.
4. North America: white-tailed deer.
5. South America: Spectacled bear, black howler monkey.
6. Oceania: Tree Kangaroo.
7. Polar: Walrus.

Exhibition animal: King-eye snake.

max version:
1. Africa: secretary bird, shoebill.
2. Europe: Eurasian otter.
3. Asia: PD deer, yellow-throated marten, GSNM, golden pheasant,Muntjac.
4. North America: white-tailed deer.
5. South America: Spectacled bear, black howler monkey.
6. Oceania: Tree Kangaroo.
7. Polar: Walrus.

Animals in the exhibition box: king snake and Chinese giant salamander.
 
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Roster for this new pack is probably already decided so at this point we don’t have any influence on what it may consist.

We can try to remember what we wished more than half year ago and mix it with a couple of what’s most requested. Highlands, some birds, monkey and SA.

They always mix highly requested species with absolute oddballs. So just not to be totally disappointed it would be the best just to wish for nothing in particular and be eventually positively surprised.

Because there is no way on earth that all of our personal requested species would end up in that pack.
 
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