Pay2Win made it to Elite

Morbad

Morbad
I found a post of mine in a pay-to-win thread from nine and a half years ago:

Pay to Win - Mercenary Edition

Nope, you still get the Sidewinder to start with, and then have to fly to the Eagle and select it. As yet, no one knows how that will work, but it definitely won't be a permanent ship that you can never lose. I think a unique variation of the Sidewinder would have been better, but oh well...
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I'm one of the nine votes saying unequivocally that the Eagle included with the Mercenary Edition (which I didn't even find until I was in a Viper) was pay-to-win.

Apparently, 5.2% of forum goers were of at least somewhat similar thinking. That's more than I was expecting.

Ian Doncaster said:
If you're flying a fully engineered Cutter with an effective 25,000+ MJ of shields versus absolute damage (and more elsewhere) even before SCBs are taken into consideration, plus several thousand hull HP under that, the main thing I have difficulty imagining is how you ever find out what its rebuy costs in the first place.
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Liberal use of SCO with an uncapped frame rate will do it.

Unknown Zombie said:
Really? Does that mean I'm owed a CM4 because I bought the game + Horizons in Nov 2016? I am outraged I have been unwittingly denied access to this turd of a ship that I am entitled to have!
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I'm not sure what the exact terms were for acquisition of the Cobra Mk IV, but November 2016 was well after a year after the initial game launch and still more than a year after the initial Horizons sales (which was pre-orderable at least as far back as October 2015).

Decksmeck said:
You want a galaxy without privilege for the wealthy, but many people who play this game want realism. Now the galaxy is more realistic. The ultra wealthy get to buy their ships, while the poor people have to spend weeks or minutes slogging their way through the gameplay.
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That is a non-contextual conflation of the real-world player with their in game characters.

I want a game without privilege for wealthy players, as far as is practical. I am fine with the in-game setting being a dystopian horror that makes fifty years of Reaganomics look fair and equitable.
 
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Unknown Zombie

Unknown Zombie
Morbad said:
I'm not sure what the exact terms were for acquisition of the Cobra Mk IV, but November 2016 was well after a year after the initial game launch and still more than a year after the initial Horizons sales (which was pre-orderable at least as far back as October 2015).
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Oh, I see. I just looked at the wiki page for Horizons and it said launch date was Dec 2015, so I was assuming that "purchasing Horizons within the first year" would mean a year from Dec 2015.
 

fennster

fennster
Horizons launched December 15th 2015

Here David Braben says...

"Elite Dangerous: Horizons will be available to pre-order on our store today, and I’m very happy to announce all existing Elite Dangerous players will receive a £10 loyalty discount off the Horizons retail price. Existing players will also unlock the exclusive Cobra Mk IV ship in Elite Dangerous: Horizons. The Cobra Mk IV will be available in the game only to players who joined us in the first year – forever. It’s our ‘thank you’ for your faith in the game, and you’ll see more of the Cobra Mk IV in Friday’s Peek Of The Week."

Announcing Elite Dangerous: Horizons | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com community.elitedangerous.com

Here Frontier Support page says...

"PC users are eligible to purchase the Cobra MKIV with in-game credits if they purchased Elite Dangerous + Elite Dangerous: Horizons before 5th Feb 2016. This includes Lifetime Expansion pass holders, Alpha & Premium Beta owners.

Xbox One users are eligible to purchase the Cobra MKIV with in-game credits if they purchased Elite Dangerous + the Horizons Season Pass before 30th July 2016."


That doesn't seem like 1 year, I must be missing something?
 

House0fDerp

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Morbad said:
Could have meant fiscal year, or some other arbitrary, but technically correct (the best kind of correct, surely), cut off that was less than 365.25 days.
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Dec 15th to the following Feb 5th is a lot less than 365.25 days. Seems this had nothing to do with the actual Horizons launch date and any language linking the 2 is in error.

This was a fun aside and it was nice getting my hopes for a new toy up only to bring them crashing back down into reality. Heard about the game 2 months too late I guess.
 
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Morbad

Morbad
House0fDerp said:
Dec 15th to the following Feb 5th is a lot less than 365.25 days. Seems this had nothing to do with the actual Horizons launch date and any language linking the 2 is in error.
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The game launched December 15th 2014, not 2015. The PC cut off was over a year.

I was looking at the XBox date, which was October 2015, making that window less than a year.
 

House0fDerp

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Morbad said:
The game launched December 15th 2014, not 2015. The PC cut off was over a year.

I was looking at the XBox date, which was October 2015, making that window less than a year.
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The 15/12/2015 date was referring Horizons launch, not the base game. Hence my follow up that anyone relating the year to Horizons launch was incorrect.
 

Cmdr. Numa

Cmdr. Numa
[VR] DDM_Reaper20 said:
"Scolded by other players"? "Creating friction?" We are pretty much all adults here, and I fail to see why anybody should or would be "scolded" for doing what they want to do with their own money -- more so since it's neither a hack, nor an exploit.
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I know at least two players already for who any Python MK II they see between May and August is KOS. Not me though, 1. I'm no PvP pilot, 2. It hits the wromg target, FDEV couldn't care less.
 

Morbad

Morbad
House0fDerp said:
The 15/12/2015 date was referring Horizons launch, not the base game. Hence my follow up that anyone relating the year to Horizons launch was incorrect.
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Yeah, having the launches be exactly a year apart makes it a bit confusing.

On second glance it should be fairly clear that "joined us in the first year" means the launch of the base game, not the Horizons expansion.

Cmdr. Numa said:
I know at least two players already for who any Python MK II they see between May and August is KOS.
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That's just silly, but I appreciate their senseless vitriol.
 

Gabe123rwg

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Einar Donarsson said:
www.elitedangerous.com

Python Mk II & Updates To The Gamestore - Elite Dangerous

Greetings Commanders, 3310 is a busy year for Elite Dangerous, with three Titans down already, Powerplay 2.0 in the works, four new ship variants on t...
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Seems we hit rock bottom.
3 Month early access and pre-built ships for real life Moneys.

Store also seems to become more expensive since they used the word "Adjustment"

I never ever thought practices like this would make it to Elite.
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Gabe123rwg

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The no rebuy is an issue for me too. Buying a ship that is a bit above basic doesn’t bother me as I won’t be doing it. If it allows some new players to experience various game play ok but if they want to jump forward in game with out learning the copes and struggling they should still learn the lesson about rebuying. I see how this will encourage pvp as for example I buy a ship and go pvp play in open and get destroyed I just get my ship back and go out again. I hope this isn’t their main idea on encouraging pvp
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
House0fDerp said:
Either I was robbed by buying a bundle or this can't be right. I'm pretty sure engineers didn't take a full yeah after Horizons first lauched and I had both before that.
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Sorry. My replay was aimed at the post Ozric replied to in your quote. Quoteception. I blame posting from a mobile. I might be too old for that.
 

[VR] DDM_Reaper20

[VR] DDM_Reaper20
Cmdr. Numa said:
I know at least two players already for who any Python MK II they see between May and August is KOS. Not me though, 1. I'm no PvP pilot, 2. It hits the wromg target, FDEV couldn't care less.
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Well, at least they have a clean-cut motive. So much better than people who just wish to destroy your ship 'cause, uh, they can. :D
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
amigacooke {macOS} said:
I haven't bought ARX and never will on principle. Given I have a LEP this makes it impossible for me to support Frontier financially, I can only spend ARX I 'earn' in game.
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Back in 2012, I had originally budgeted $10/month for cosmetics, the price of a subscription, with the provision that a) there were cosmetics worth purchasing, and b) I approved of how Frontier was handling the game.

I haven't spent even a tithe of that yet, mostly due to how frequently Frontier has bungled things with regards to this game. It's gone into a "rainy day" fund instead, but I'd been setting aside since the PowerPlay 2.0 announcement.
 
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