DLC18 discussion and predictions

I mean, maybe it could be something like a “forest pack” which is a generic enough name to contain a bunch of biomes and animals from all over the world?

Now that I think about it “Zookeeper” would just be the best option for that.
 
ocelot, rhea, spectacled bear and coati.
All relatively niche. Stop looking at it from the perspective of an armchair zoologist and look at it from the perspective of the average person.
I mean isnt that the same for the last like 6 packs?
The statement is not "these animals should not be included because they are niche" it's "these animals probably have not been prioritised because they are niche".
South American wildlife is definitely not obscure to anyone in the UK with even a mild interest in zoology - in fact I think it would be the first continent most people here would think of when they think about biodiversity.
I find the first part of that hard to believe unless we're talking about, you know, monkeys, and the second part is only true because "the Amazon is the most biodiverse place on Earth" is basically pub trivia that everyone can recite (even if they don't actually know what it means).
People here saying that SA fauna wasn't requested or that it was niche seens to have forgotten that 60% of the last year animals also lies in the same categories.
As I said above, that's not really relevant to the premise of the discussion.

It's funny, though, because in this forum you'd get the impression that South America is the most desired locale for the next DLC, but beyond our nebulous borders it doesn't get talked about nearly as much. In terms of content that is realistic to expect (so excluding flying birds and marine animals/aquaria) most wishlists I see tend to be African animals.
 
It's funny, though, because in this forum you'd get the impression that South America is the most desired locale for the next DLC, but beyond our nebulous borders it doesn't get talked about nearly as much. In terms of content that is realistic to expect (so excluding flying birds and marine animals/aquaria) most wishlists I see tend to be African animals.
The most upvoted "wishlist" post on reddit have tamarins as the only habitat animal and last time i checked steam and zoochat people seen to be more interested on SA animals compared to the ones from other continents.

Besides, i can assure you that the avarege person is more interested on ocelot than serval and waterbuck.
 
As If Most Of Last Years Choices Were Well Known. The Game Is For Animal Lovers, Most Of Which Would Probably Know Ocelot, Rhea And Spectacled Bear. Why Play A Zoo Game If You Don't Care That Much About Animals.
Your post is hard to read - why go to the trouble of capitalising every word? Are you hitting capslock twice for each word, or holding down Shift? Either way I can promise you it's not worth the effort.

Anyway, you're missing the point. I'm not sure whether you're doing so deliberately. I spelled it out pretty clearly, but I'll quote myself so you can read it again:
The statement is not "these animals should not be included because they are niche" it's "these animals probably have not been prioritised because they are niche".
Frontier has always included some lesser known/niche species, but they have also held back ABC species because they know that those are the animals that sell packs. We already got our big ABC South American animals; the jaguar, giant anteater, and the capuchin. This discussion isn't about whether or not that is enough to cover the continent - it clearly isn't. As much as I don't personally give a damn about them, I know full well that the coati is a common zoo animal in America and Europe and as far as I'm concerned that's enough reason to include it. The suggestion I'm making is that South America hasn't been prioritised because there isn't really any big ABC species left from the continent to sell the theme a second time.

As for "this game is for animal lovers", who says? You don't know that. Kids play this game, dude. Some people just like zoos, some people like building things. Animal knowledge is not a pre-requisite for being a fan, and obviously Frontier knows that, otherwise they wouldn't have held back something as obvious as the meerkat for DLC.

The most upvoted "wishlist" post on reddit have tamarins as the only habitat animal
The tamarin is a monkey. It has been routinely stated that monkeys are the exception to the rule here, by me and, you know, everyone else.
Besides, i can assure you that the avarege person is more interested on ocelot than serval and waterbuck.
The waterbuck is neither here nor there, but I can promise you the baboon in whatever form it takes (Hamadryas, olive, closely-related not-baboon gelada) is more popular than the ocelot. You know what cat pops up more than the ocelot and serval? The African leopard. The honey badger makes more appearances than the gods-damned Patagonian mara or the agouti, and don't even get me started about the secretarybird. Plus, pelicans. The great white pelican is the most popular pick, and hey look, it's an African bird.

Guineafowl, pygmy goats, Nile crocodile, all very popular choices. I understand that you're trying to get a dig in at me because the serval and waterbuck are two animals I particularly want, but I really don't care, because whatever you say doesn't change what I've observed. Even on our own meta wishlist African animals outnumber any other.

South America isn't that popular anymore. I'm not suggesting that means our final pack won't include something from South America, because I'm not a psychic. This whole conversation actually has literally nothing to do with that anyway. Charlie asked for a possible reason as to why Frontier hasn't returned to South America, and I gave him two; A) that there aren't any ABC species left that they feel can sell a pack, and B) that South America isn't actually as popular as the seven frequent posters here think it is.
 
Your post is hard to read - why go to the trouble of capitalising every word? Are you hitting capslock twice for each word, or holding down Shift? Either way I can promise you it's not worth the effort.

Anyway, you're missing the point. I'm not sure whether you're doing so deliberately. I spelled it out pretty clearly, but I'll quote myself so you can read it again:

Frontier has always included some lesser known/niche species, but they have also held back ABC species because they know that those are the animals that sell packs. We already got our big ABC South American animals; the jaguar, giant anteater, and the capuchin. This discussion isn't about whether or not that is enough to cover the continent - it clearly isn't. As much as I don't personally give a damn about them, I know full well that the coati is a common zoo animal in America and Europe and as far as I'm concerned that's enough reason to include it. The suggestion I'm making is that South America hasn't been prioritised because there isn't really any big ABC species left from the continent to sell the theme a second time.

As for "this game is for animal lovers", who says? You don't know that. Kids play this game, dude. Some people just like zoos, some people like building things. Animal knowledge is not a pre-requisite for being a fan, and obviously Frontier knows that, otherwise they wouldn't have held back something as obvious as the meerkat for DLC.


The tamarin is a monkey. It has been routinely stated that monkeys are the exception to the rule here, by me and, you know, everyone else.

The waterbuck is neither here nor there, but I can promise you the baboon in whatever form it takes (Hamadryas, olive, closely-related not-baboon gelada) is more popular than the ocelot. You know what cat pops up more than the ocelot and serval? The African leopard. The honey badger makes more appearances than the gods-damned Patagonian mara or the agouti, and don't even get me started about the secretarybird. Plus, pelicans. The great white pelican is the most popular pick, and hey look, it's an African bird.

Guineafowl, pygmy goats, Nile crocodile, all very popular choices. I understand that you're trying to get a dig in at me because the serval and waterbuck are two animals I particularly want, but I really don't care, because whatever you say doesn't change what I've observed. Even on our own meta wishlist African animals outnumber any other.

South America isn't that popular anymore. I'm not suggesting that means our final pack won't include something from South America by any means. This whole conversation actually has literally nothing to do with that anyway.
I wouldn’t say that South America isn’t popular anymore, but I do agree that the continent is out of ABC animals that are popular with a wider audience
 
Wondering about ABC animals, are there any truly left? 4 years of support has added a massive amount of iconic zoo animals that forces the metawishlists and probably even speculation discussion to make it seem like everyone wants these obscure filler animals. Could be very well be the reason why we got domestics out of nowhere.
 
I mean isnt that the same for the last like 6 packs?
Like the vast majority of arid, oceania, tropical and eurasias animals the average guy havent heard of unless you live in that region.

I tbh i always find that "average person doesnt know about it" argument not particulary strong.
I mean if your not into animals your not really in the market to buy dlc with more animals in a game about animals anyways
This whole idea started from reasons why we havent seen a second south america pack yet which with the more recent packs featuring more obscure animal I can see it happening now just not much earlier.
Also like someone else pointed out the whole pack doesnt need to be headliners or well known animals we havent had one like that since north america you only need one or 2 to sell the pack.
Actually wouldn’t the number of casual players increase now due to the console release?

But the packs don’t need to have all recognizable species, they just need a couple to sell the pack and be the cover. That’s why the camel and the wisent were the covers of their packs, because they are the most recognizable along with the donkey and porcupine from arid. In tropical, the gibbon was the most known and wouldn’t you know it, it was the head of the pack. Oceania is a different case, I feel like they chose the kiwi not only because it might be slightly more popular than the rest, but it’s a bird and usually people love birds.

Now saying that I guess it contradicts my point of a SA 2 pack since it only needs 1 or 2 species to advertise it like a bird or monkey.
honestly I feel the kiwi is perfectly fine as the headliner and is fairly well known animal definitely more so then the other animal choices.
 
In an alternate world, the forum hates the addition of the rock hyrax and we are begging frontier to add the meerkat after 4 years.
There is no way they would not have added the meerkat by now without a ton of anger from the whole community it is literally the most common not native mammal kept in captivity in my country and is a huge trend among newer zoos
 
I just want to put this out here because I think so many of you are missing the point no one is saying south america doesnt deserve representation because the animals are niche. We are saying we havent gotten another south america pack YET because whats left is relatively niche we are starting to see more niche topics for pack such as eurasia and barnyard so south america is definitely an option.
 
May I point out South America has less habitat animals than every other continent apart from Oceania (obviously excluding Antarctica).
South America: 18
Asia: 56
Europe: 24
North America: 24
Africa: 51
Oceania:14
 
Wondering about ABC animals, are there any truly left?
I know I sound like a broken record but baboon. Most people know what a baboon is or what it looks like without having to search it up. It’s essential for Africa and is the perfect representative for a “collection” type pack. If they don’t add it just because of its butt then I’m gonna be incredibly disappointed. We need it, and mods can’t do this guy justice with the fluff.
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Wondering about ABC animals, are there any truly left? 4 years of support has added a massive amount of iconic zoo animals that forces the metawishlists and probably even speculation discussion to make it seem like everyone wants these obscure filler animals. Could be very well be the reason why we got domestics out of nowhere.
Baboon, walrus, duck and yak immediately spring to mind
 
What's all this about the fact that we shouldn't get a South American pack? The niche argument is weak: every continent has had niche animals that were popular so why not South America?

And I'm noticing that the people who aren't thrilled about South America are the same people who have had all their essential animals added plus some bonuses. I'd like to see how y'all would feel if the roles were reversed
 
All relatively niche. Stop looking at it from the perspective of an armchair zoologist and look at it from the perspective of the average person.
Kiwi is niche and even more uncommon than the coati, bear, and ocelot. I mean, they literally sell coatis as pets in many places, and I can guarantee that those animals (bear, coati, ocelot) are more recognizable than the kiwi. Why should it matter about awareness or not? That's the weakest argument I've heard
 
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What's all this about the fact that we shouldn't get a South American pack? The niche argument is weak: every continent has had niche animals that were popular so why not South America?

And I'm noticing that the people who aren't thrilled about South America are the same people who have had all their essential animals added plus some bonuses. I'd like to see how y'all would feel if the roles were reversed
Plus the animals being niche isn’t that important they just need to be recognisable like the Wisent for Eurasia, South America still has plenty of recognisable animals like monkeys the bear and another flamingo
 
The fact of the matter is that, of all the continents, South America is still the only one that has bare bones species. You can barely make a decent South American zoo, and you can't easily switch things out that much between zoos. Nothing there has an alternate choice:
  • No alternate cat
  • No alternate monkey
  • No ground dwelling birds of any kind. Not even the rhea
But then, Australia , North America, even Europe at this point have all these wacky options.
  • Want a small NA zoo area? Skunks, armadillos, and raccoons
  • Want Oceanian oddballs? Kiwi, platypus, quokka, Tasmanian devil
  • Want a European zoo with every species? Wisent, wolverine, swan

But South America, you only have 1 cat, 1 monkey. No birds. Yeah, there are other animals that are more popular, like the baboon. But the smart move would be to not only attempt to fulfill the wishes of the community and bring all the continents up to a passable level
 
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