Isn't that because Thargoids ignore all attempts to communicate with them? Didn't the Guardians get wiped out despite attempting to communicate?
End the geno/xenocidal assault on a sentient species
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Drew's was specifically hired for Premonition by FDEV. It is the more popular of the books, and because of the rift between FDEV and the author, a lot of folks believe the books are no longer canon. But FDEV has not stated otherwise. All the books I have read so far are based in the past and in game locations support or hint at the events that happened in the books. So when people say... oh but things can change so its not canon... Well things in game have changed... and therefore the whole game is untrustworthy. There is no spoon...
So far... all in game events are on track with the warnings given in the books. So take that as you will.
So far... all in game events are on track with the warnings given in the books. So take that as you will.
Nah, Guardian's kicked Thargoids butt. But then the guardian's weapons turned on them.
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No, not that I know of. Though the vast majority of book content is either obviously canonical "hey, there's a system called Lave!" or basically irrelevant either way - does it really matter if "Fred Smith visited Lave in 3294" is true? - so is hardly controversial. And Paige's statement in the screenshot gives room for "maybe only 99% of it is canonical" to be the case, of course, which is unfortunate when there appears to be basically one statement in the entire set of books which is disputed as to whether it's still true.
I think with respect to the "two types of Thargoids" thing, however, the more important point is not whether it's canonical - but whether it's relevant. In that respect, anything which has only ever been mentioned (or even hinted at!) in books written most of a decade ago is highly unlikely to be relevant. If no-one - not even the more conspiracy/tinfoil-inclined NPCs - is wondering if these are the same Thargoids from the first war or doing anything else to suggest that there might be multiple types, that strongly suggests it's not a direction which Frontier is planning to take the plot in any time soon.
Dear Commander Shadowsnog:
I acknowledge and respect your views and your rights to hold them. However, I must correct the misconception you stated where you describe the Thargoids as 'invaders' and as a "relentless force of violence, one that has shown their willingness to destroy and annihilate", humanity was the first to invade Thargoid space, when we discovered their resources and extraction sites now known as Meta Alloys and Barnacles in the Pleiades sector, after this discovery, humanity flocked to the area to pillage the resources from these sites, even after it was suspected and then confirmed that these barnacles were not naturally formed and instead cultivated. After sightings of Thargoid ships were confirmed, the burning question in the mind of the galactic community was not "How do we communicate with them?" it was instead "How do we drive them off and kill them?", if you recall, two opposing galactic goals were started, one in the name of Science, to develop the Xeno Scanner, another in the name of violence, to develop the Anti-Xeno Multicannon, the AXMC goal won by a landslide.
You continue on to describe how "our outposts lie in ruins, our ships reduced to debris and countless lives lost", to this I put forward to you, how did this War start?
It started with humanity proving not only their willingness, but their capability to enact genocide upon the Thargoid species for interfering in the exploitation of their resources and planets. It had already happened once before, with the Mycoid bioweapon being the first usage of a species-wide attack against the Thargoids. Then again when the entire galaxy rallied around a man with the self-assigned ego-stroking title of "Salvation", who's entire goal was to deploy another genocidal weapon in the form of the Proteus Wave, which if you recall, momentarily killed all observable Thargoid craft, before the effect was somehow reversed.
It was only after the attempt of humanity to use the Thargoids own technology in an attempt to exterminate them, that the craft now known as Titans began advancing on the human 'bubble'.
Your point about our outposts and ships interests me most. Human stations have been attacked yes, and left damaged, yet never irreparably destroyed, even the smallest outpost has been left damaged rather than completely destroyed by the overwhelming firepower we know Thargoids possess (Ignore the fact that stations being destroyed would cause the players to riot lol).
Then you speak of our children; What sort of example do we set to our children and beyond, if we leave them with a galaxy where everything wanted was gained by violence? Teaching the next generations the lesson of "If you want something, simply kill the owner and take it"
Knowledge is the most power of all
CMDR Firehawk
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It's not what I was asking about.
Go back to my original post you replied to.
Not what I was asking.
Then I don't know what you were asking...
I imagine it's the suggestion that human provocations against Thargoids may have been due to the lack of communication. But I don't really buy that, because formal communication could only combat ignorance, and that's not the root cause. Humans are smart enough to figure things out without formal communication - for example, if alien ships are showing up and scanning the people carrying alien items, specifically in the area where the alien items are found, do we need a comms message to tell us that maybe those items and that region might be connected to the alien ships? Would it be ignorance to continue to take the alien items, to continue to expand into that region, to continue to smash the barnacles that are literally labelled with the same symbols as the alien ships? No, it's a complete lack of care by those in charge for anyone but themselves. "The aliens aren't currently hostile, so lets keep going". And when they become hostile? "Well, they're not currently a threat to us, the elites, so why shouldn't we keep making money off the space oil? As a bonus we can now sell weapons as well, and when the plebs (that we put in harms way) start dying, even more will flock to do our bidding."
If we assume that the people in charge are really dumb and didn't think "what if the aliens don't like us taking their stuff" (there's no comms message, who could possibly say) - then that ignorance would have been cleared up six years ago when it was outright stated that yeah, they don't like humanity invading their territory. After it was explicitly stated, in words, that the war was territorial - the powers carried on doing the exact same thing they'd been doing before that point, and went on invading more areas of Thargoid territory. That's their response to humans figuring it out, to not care, to keep carrying out actions that they know lead to war. If the Thargoids told us the same information, it'd be no better. because the actual problem is that the powers don't want peace. It's the military industrial complex.
The potraied leaders of humanity are characterized so ridiculously evil and immoral by FDev that there could be no doubt about the role of humans in this war. I accept that some players are RPing their Cmdr as if they do not notice that. But out of RP... defending the human course of action seems very strange.
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Seems like the sci-fi trope of: "humans are the actual bad guys" is so overpowering and ubiquitous that people are unwilling to consider the situation in Elite being far more simple, as it has been laid out in the codex.
A curated source of information by the powers that benefit from the war against the Thargoids, citing an incomplete source of information.
Yeah, no, it is not "as simple as the Codex says".
I think its safe to say that if the Thargoids were fluffy with big sad droopy eyes... humanity would have liked them much more. We probably would have found a way to farm them for food, and bred dwarf mini-Thargoids for pets.
Instead they look like massively overgrown scary sea creatures and they are pretty good at fighting back. And we don't understand them, they can't be trained or domesticated in any way. And somehow they make spooky sounds in space(?). So to be safe it is best to shoot first and dissect later. They are too big to fit in the cargo hatch, so I just rip off chunks of tissue.
Instead they look like massively overgrown scary sea creatures and they are pretty good at fighting back. And we don't understand them, they can't be trained or domesticated in any way. And somehow they make spooky sounds in space(?). So to be safe it is best to shoot first and dissect later. They are too big to fit in the cargo hatch, so I just rip off chunks of tissue.
Sorry, backpedalling a bit, but i think it's important to highlight this is not actually true.
They have an aggressive reaction, compared to the other cargo reactions, but they do not shoot on sight when carrying Guardian cargo.
If you drop it, they will destroy the cargo, but leave you alone. Refer this video below, noting I'm not silent running out anything to avoid detection, and the hydra never goes red on scanner.
Just important to note because it at least shows the Thargoids want to destroy Guardian tech, but not you.