DLC18 discussion and predictions

Both are not in the Hamadryas Baboon region
The Hamadryas baboon lives in East Africa and southern Arabia. There are ibex there - a different species (Walia and Nubian ibex) but still ibex.

You know what doesn't live anywhere near baboons? The saiga.
I despise dama gazelle, they took a spot for Grey Crowned Crane
No it didn't. Grey crowned cranes live in wetlands and grasslands environments. It was never a contender for the Arid Pack.
 
Yeah 😂
But to be fair the potential vs reality dilemma is something i have with basicly every pack.
The thing is besides complete dumbster dives like no rodent and awfull breed selection in barnyard (there really is no flattering explanation when the reason most people wanted african dwarf goat, kunekune, potbelly, etc is because they are some of the most common, one of them being the most common zoo animal only to get some random niche breeds for literally no reason besides taunting us i guess. Its not even a case of being easier to watch local breeds irl for the theme as they could have gone to literally the most basic petting zoo for this instead of what i can only suppouse to be an actual farm) or whoever thought including the black rhino over the spurred tortoise would be a good decision, most choices in the packs are atleast reasonable.
Like i can see the point of every animal in tropical.
Does it suck that it completly skips out on a new world monkey and that most people wanted an animal pack instead? Yes but SEA scenary and especally tropical folliage also was in high demand, the fossa, red river hog, lar gibbon and sloth where all top 10 animals on the metawishlist at the time if i remember correctly and finally giving us another monitor really is a decision hard to criticise.
Was the sloth wrong? Yes and its also imo horribly implemented with a very ugly climbing frame, but it is by far the more recogniseable one and also was for the longest time the species mentioned on the metawishlist.

Objectivly that pack was great and has woven some of the most wanted animals of the community at the time with arguably the most wanted scenery and especally foliage theme, with the only thing in the pack not bring highly requested being a reasonable diversity pick with good zoo presence and the first of its kind in a post launch dlc, even adding diving to a new group of animals.

Were people pleased with it?
Atleast at the start hell no with the very reasonable stance of "where south america" even if what we actually got was propaply among their most fan service packs.

So atleast in part we cant fully blame frontier for that, as besides those earlier mentioned dumbsterdives for no reason the vast majority of the dlc deliverd what the majority of people have wanted, even if it repeaditly left fans of more "niche" animal groups wanting more.

Are birds, reptiles, primates and south america niche?
Kinda?
If you hypothetically have no clue about south americas fauna, i doubt that the ingame selection of animals would disappoint you.
15 very diverse habitat animals and imo the only satisfactory selection of exhibit animals in the game are completly fine.
Real zoos also tend to be quite short on south american "habitat" animals that arnt primates and birds and hand on our hearts if we wernt desperate for them and theyd be not as omnipresent as they are i doubt that many would care about the rhea at this point and i dont believe that outside the more nerdy audience most do.

Birds and reptiles habe their lover but both irl and also here on the forum they are much less popular on average then most mammals and its worth to note that we allready got more birds and reptiles then any other zoo game, dinosaurs and xbox static birds excluded.

And people seem to loathe building for primates lol

These 4 groups are pretty much objectifly what the game needs for a well rounded roster at this point, but sadly that just doesnt seem to overlap with the major wants of most of the community.

And even then, imagine we get the fabled SA animal pack, imagine the roster is:
  • Coati
  • Ocelot
  • Spectacle Bear
  • Bush Dog
  • Rhea
  • Mara
  • Monkey
  • Exhibit

Imo thats pretty much the most conservative and likly lineup and ngl?
It kind of does not excite me at all.
I think this would do an important job for the game and would do a fine job of appealing to the communitys wishes and im sure most people would absolutly love it, but me personally?
Id find it lowkey boring cause while it arguably fixes south america decently enough, it doesnt really fix it for me. Sure ill use some of the animals, id even be activly excited for monkey, coati and mara,but the rest really would be a whatever pack for me, simply because my wants dont actually line up with the major wants of the community at large.
Im sure for everyone dissapointed and annoyed by the bush dogs rather pointless inclusion, there will be 100s of people cheering for the cute puppers inclusion.

I also noticed that with the dictionary pack, i freacking love that pack. All the animals are very unique and fill new and atleast to me more exciting even if more niche niches (funny huh) in the game then for example any animal mentioned above for the south america pack, with the sifaka being point and center of most likly my favorite addition to the game since the racoon in twillight dropped. Its weird and adds something fun to a very niche area in madagascar, an area that i personally have lots if interest in even if i completly agree that it objectivly should be skipped over atleast for now.

Tastes are Different, my most wanted animals for SA for example are the roseate spoonbill, white faced whistling duck and roseate spoonbill, because i would love to go through the most likly very tedious and annoying process of building a wetlands aviary for them, something that just doesnt seem to be on most people agendas.
I dont even care for the monkeys much, i just agree that they should be much more diverse on an objective level as i could count on one fingers the zoos i went to that had just one species of south american primates.

Long story Short, imagine just liking whats popular, how much easier it would be to just be happy about cute fuzzy bear instead of being grumpy, thinking about how he could have been a himalayan monal, whoops
 
Ok you know what, I've seen a lot of "what would be the best possible animal for the upcoming DLC" in here, but what would be the worst possible candidate for you guys?
For me, the one worst choice that they could make is Sumatran Rhino.
I remember immediately hating on Arid Pack because of the wasted slot for the slightly darker rhino, and if we do get another one, heaven knows what's gonna happen
Not really a single animal but any of the "meme" animals, the quokka still is one of the worst recent additions to the game and did absolutely nothing to further diversity in Oceania.
 
Ok you know what, I've seen a lot of "what would be the best possible animal for the upcoming DLC" in here, but what would be the worst possible candidate for you guys?
For me, the one worst choice that they could make is Sumatran Rhino.
I remember immediately hating on Arid Pack because of the wasted slot for the slightly darker rhino, and if we do get another one, heaven knows what's gonna happen
Worst choice is trcky, as the number 1 on the "why this" tier are all the animals literally no one cares about.
Sounds mean but i bet most people would loose more sleep about the arabian gazelle making it in the final pack then if they wouldnt.
For stuff id actually think it has a reasonable chance or atleast a not non existant chance or fan base are any specific, north american "cloney" animals.
We are talking the white tailed deers, canadian lynxes, bobcats, coyotes and yes even the american black bear, any animal that basicly would just be usefull for making a north american zoo.
Not that i hate north americans or anything, but at this point fixing up the roster for everyone is more important then one continent not having to use stand ins in place of animals that would only really add the right name.

Same goes for europe to, if i see an EBB om not gonna be a happy boy
 
And even then, imagine we get the fabled SA animal pack, imagine the roster is:
  • Coati
  • Ocelot
  • Spectacle Bear
  • Bush Dog
  • Rhea
  • Mara
  • Monkey
  • Exhibit

Imo thats pretty much the most conservative and likly lineup and ngl?
It kind of does not excite me at all.
funny cuz i would be over the moon with that exact roster haha though maybe changing the bear for some other bird
 
How would yall treat this pack:
Secretary Bird
Hamadryas Baboon
Tree Kangaroo (Any)
Coquerel’s Sifaka
African Spurred Tortoise
Dik-Dik (Any)
Markhor
Short Beaked Echidna
American Black Bear
Coati (Any)
Greater Rhea
Black Howler Monkey
Pelican (Any)/ King Cobra (EX)
 
How would yall treat this pack:
Secretary Bird
Hamadryas Baboon
Tree Kangaroo (Any)
Coquerel’s Sifaka
African Spurred Tortoise
Dik-Dik (Any)
Markhor
Short Beaked Echidna
American Black Bear
Coati (Any)
Greater Rhea
Black Howler Monkey
Pelican (Any)/ King Cobra (EX)
pelican, rhea, coati and monkey? i don't care what else is there i'm sold. BUT i would still miss the mara.
 
funny cuz i would be over the moon with that exact roster haha though maybe changing the bear for some other bird
Yeah and thats what i mean
Objectivly its perfectly fine and does what it needs to do, but just for me it would be an awfully boring pack with a few highlights.

It passes the "would this be good for the game" test with flying powers, but it wouldnt excite me to actually build for any of the animals close to release besides the coati and potentially monkey, mara amd rhea.
Animals that buffer the long term variety are also important and id defenetly use all of them at some point but none of them really excites me
 
Not really a single animal but any of the "meme" animals, the quokka still is one of the worst recent additions to the game and did absolutely nothing to further diversity in Oceania.
Literally one of the most useful animals in the game for me now lol, I don’t think there’s been a build where I haven’t used them since the Oceania Pack released. They fill a unique and necessary niche for Australia in a number of ways, they don’t do “absolutely nothing” just because they’re rare in other parts of the world.
 
How would yall treat this pack:
Secretary Bird
Hamadryas Baboon
Tree Kangaroo (Any)
Coquerel’s Sifaka
African Spurred Tortoise
Dik-Dik (Any)
Markhor
Short Beaked Echidna
American Black Bear
Coati (Any)
Greater Rhea
Black Howler Monkey
Pelican (Any)/ King Cobra (EX)
Pretty good although the Markhor is very redundant in my eyes
 
Yeah that's no longer the case since the whole "Special Live Stream" thing is no longer a thing. Barnyard was announced two days before the Frontier Unlocked, so either we're seeing a reveal today or tomorrow.

My money is on us getting it before the live stream so that the live stream can discuss it and nobody has to stay late at the office when not needed 😅
Oh why did they cancel it? I loved the hints and speculation
 
Ok you know what, I've seen a lot of "what would be the best possible animal for the upcoming DLC" in here, but what would be the worst possible candidate for you guys?
For me, the one worst choice that they could make is Sumatran Rhino.
I remember immediately hating on Arid Pack because of the wasted slot for the slightly darker rhino, and if we do get another one, heaven knows what's gonna happen
Worst case scenario, ungulate heavy with 5 African Antelopes, the Sifaka as our primate, and the Eurasian Brown Bear.

How would yall treat this pack:
Secretary Bird
Hamadryas Baboon
Tree Kangaroo (Any)
Coquerel’s Sifaka
African Spurred Tortoise
Dik-Dik (Any)
Markhor
Short Beaked Echidna
American Black Bear
Coati (Any)
Greater Rhea
Black Howler Monkey
Pelican (Any)/ King Cobra (EX)
I mean, even with the Sifaka, and the Dik Dik it's a really great lineup. I'm sure we'd all make some changes (duck, different bear), but it works very well overall.

Point that our worst case scenario animals don't have to be awful if included with other animals that are exciting to us. Subjective "us" of course.
 
Not really a single animal but any of the "meme" animals, the quokka still is one of the worst recent additions to the game and did absolutely nothing to further diversity in Oceania.
Completely disagree tbh. What australia lacked most at the time (in my eyes) were small filler animals as all the big names are here already and the qoukka fits that imo. Also those small "rat like" macropods are definetly something i was kinda missing from the oceanian roster.
Where there animals i would rather have? Sure, but i think its inclusion is far from unjustifyable
 
My worst case scenario came true last pack and I handled it like an adult.

… an adult chimpanzee.

But this time, since the worst has already happened, I think I’ll be excited regardless of the roster. For me, the only slightly disappointing animals we could get would be reptiles because I’m quite satisfied with what we have. Maybe a Rhea would be a wasted slot for me, because it’s too similar to ostrich. I’m hoping for new rigs, and new behaviours. Birds (not flamingos or Rhea) and arboreals would be great!
 
I'm glad we have the quokka. I'm also bummed that it pretty likely took the slot of the tree kangaroo. Haha. But still, I'm glad they're there... That said? From a "smaller Australian habitat in-game" perspective they definitely fill the same niche as the Tasmanian devil, kiwi, and arguably the wallaby.
 
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