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DLC18 discussion and predictions
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Yea, why is the EMU NOT A WALK-THROUGH HABITAT MAN, WHY!!!!
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Yeah I worried about MooDeng's welfare when I saw some of the videos. Cute lil baby but wonder if they should have that much rough play with humans. Any zookeepers/vets here have an insight on this?
Sometimes people only think of animals as entertainment and not living beings, I know most people go to zoos for fun and entertainment but these animals are living things to
Ya know what’s cuter then moo dang
A trailer and full announcement as to what we are getting dlc and anniversary wise
A trailer and full announcement as to what we are getting dlc and anniversary wise
I don’t think they’ll add to old animals. But we have to see what our roster is cause we will most likely get a couple
There's no way they're making the pygmy hippo a walkabout animal just because of Moo Deng
Well, I certainly did not expect today cute pictures of a young hippo, something I feel that the penguin Pesto will also be shown
By the way, I love pygmy hippo and I'm so glad it's in the original lineup!
Eventually there has to be an equilibrium. If the "most requested animal" is actually something that's not unique and wouldn't add something meaningful to the game, and most importantly, wouldn't spur DLC sales and wouldn't bring in revenue, then yes it makes sense to end support.
But if that equilibrium point is not yet reached, Frontier is leaving money on the table and the community will be disappointed. Of course whether or not that "if" statement is fulfilled is the million dollar question.
Yup as I've been saying for a couple of years now, there will always be a top tier of the meta list. There will always be something at #1. It's just a matter of how those lists work. But the things that are on the top tier of the meta list now have not been long standing priorities in the whole life of the game.
Nearly 5 years ago, most people were not clamoring for the Secretary Bird, Coati, and Tree Kangaroo. It was all about the Penguin, Meerkat and regular Kangaroo. The importance of the current missing animals decreases overtime as more animals are added. I'd say the Capybara may have been the last animal added that had so much overwhelming support from the community that it was a "they'd have to be crazy not to add them" situation, though one could make a case for the Conservation Pack's Leopard and P. Horse.
Nothing on the wishlist/metalist now is a "must have" for many players. Nothing left is a core animal of zoos or zoo games (excluding flying birds for real zoos of course). Are there animals that have had more support than others for the last few years, sure - 6 mammals and 3 birds (Walrus, Tree Kangaroo, Coati, H. Baboon, Howler Monkey, Muskox, Secretary Bird, a Duck and a Pelican). But I can't look at any of them and say that the game would be incomplete without them. I think we're well past that point and honestly feel like we reached that point with the Conservation.
Still, I don't think that the balancing point where ROI is no longer profitable has necessarily been reached yet. Look at all the people asking for more Latin American animals. That alone would be a really good seller. Past that though I'm not so sure, but whatever this pack is, if it's not got much in the way of Latin American animals, may very well not be the last pack. Though I do feel like that time is coming soon it's not there yet. I could be wrong though, really did think this would be the last pack, but profitability remains in flux.
ETA to the first part of this - going back to the very first meta list, Frontier has given us every single one of the top 23 animals requested (the Wolverine was the last). The Coati and Secretary Bird were next, but seriously looking at the entire history of the game they have not left any top requests off the table (not including flying birds). Although, adding those 2 would then have them having added the top 25 animals from the first Meta list, which is a nicer placemarker than 23, I'll admit.
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As you've pointed out, Frontier has pretty consistently given us the #1 animal on the wishlist. And often times, that also came along with another animal that was in the top five, another in the top 10, and another in the top 20. They are very good at giving the people what they want...
So, with that in mind, don't you think it would be a strange change for a final pack to not include the animal that is in the #1 slot at the time of its release when they've done it so many times before? To me, not doing that would be a pretty big miss on their part.
EDIT: And yeah, maybe it wasn't the #1 pick earlier on in the game's lifespan but... It is currently. That's like saying people shouldn't want our computers or cell phones to get more powerful just because they're better than they were a few years ago. Goal posts are always going to move. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't expect or hope for things to be better based on current standards. Obviously, support is going to end at some point but I do think ending support without slotting in the #1 animal at the time that happens would be an unforced error on Frontier's part unless there's a logical reason they can't do it from a programming perspective or whatever.
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Although peafowl and the gray wolf would definitely need it
Or the reindeer...
See this I would be fine with. Selecting the pygmy hippo because of an internet meme is very stupid, especially when the emu is still not enabled as a walkthrough animal.
Reindeer are chill, want to suggest no fallow walkthrough next?
Reindeer and Emu are baffling that they're not walk through.
For annoying guests I'd be happy getting the Wolverine as a walk through. Oh...the view isn't "good enough" for you? Here try up close and personal!!
You can't see the Cassowary, well why don't you go in there to get a good look at it
I wanted to add to this here but forgot earlier.
I think there's no denying at this point that at least some of the animals that were in the dictionary are animals that are going to end up in the pack*. This is backed up by three things:
- Markhor and Hamadryas were in the dictionary and are now prominently shown.
- The dictionary was swiped not once, but twice after we went through it and found a bunch of animals. That's not by accident anymore, that's intentional.
- Of the animals that were swiped from the dictionary, two of them again are now prominently shown.
From my perspective, I don't think this is a process that happens every single DLC. It would be wasteful in terms of resources to get someone to spend time coming up with words every single time there's a new DLC; instead I think it's reasonable to assume that Frontier from time to time makes a large list of animals they see potential in adding to the game up front. And then, once they have a big enough list, they just send it to whomever comes up with the words and let them come up with a bunch of words. That way, the PZ dev team always has a bunch of animal names at the ready for when they need them.
So that brings me to the dictionary. From the looks of it, they've been updating them in batches and my initial reaction says that someone just got a list with all the words they had to add and some of them slipped quality control. Mistakes happen, it's normal, I don't think any of it was intentional to mess with us or to generate hype. But if they create these lists ahead of time, that would mean that there are probably animals in there that were scrapped at any given point in development and if the person who updated the database was not familiar with Planet Zoo, it's perfectly possible that they missed those.
Summing it all up, I think that the words that were removed have the biggest chance of being part of the pack*. Swiping the dictionary twice shows intent, two animals of which ended up being part of the teaser we got. Those who remain clearly are not seen as an issue (again, swiped twice, so they had two chances) and therefor are most likely animals that were once considered and now are no longer considered as a potential candidate.
Bonus round for the questions that are going to pop up:
But Iben, Pallas wasn't in the dictionary?
Correct. So are a bunch of other names. Sometimes they add a word for it, sometimes they don't. Cuvier doesn't have a PlanCo name, Thompson doesn't have one. Hermann does, Przewalski too. It's inconsistent.
But Iben, impala/animal X was named in a zoopedia entry!
Yes, but so far, I've seen no reason to suspect that they would have come up with name specifically because they are mentioned in the zoopedia of other animals. I think it makes more sense that those were just once part of a list of animals that were considered.
So no impala, civet, echidna and Goodfellow's Tree kangaroo?
My money is on no. All of these could have been part of other packs and the timeline for them fits.
Seriously, no tree kangaroo?
Ha, there we have a maybe. I'd say no to a Goodfellow's, but it does not rule out a Matschie's. Especially given that Pallas was not translated, but yet we ended up with a Pallas cat.
* Or the next pack, if there is one.
Reindeer is walkthrough with petting animations
Reindeer is not only walkthrough, but interactable as well (as of update 1.17)