DLC18 discussion and predictions

PlanetSoyJak

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Puzzelo said:
I don’t think it is either. I think it’s some sort of celebration type pack. Maybe that’s why it has taken so long.
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Yeah it's looking like a Celebration type. Especially with the animals that were "leaked" through dictionary almost all being unique and wanted animals since the start. Meaning this pack is an 12 animal pack if it is a celebration type.
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
Antimony96 said:
Fantastic overview of North America's position in PZ and what potential future additions could be. A few other things I'd like to say:

1. The river otter is extremely important from an AZA standpoint, but I fully understand why no one outside the US/Canada would have any interest in it. I'll live with the mod.
2. Ironically, for all the animals North America did get, a lot of them aren't really North American zoo animals. Raccoons seem to be much more of a European thing with most American zoos holding them either in smaller nature centers or as ambassador animals. Red foxes and skunks are in a similar boat. The iconic NA smaller mammals for AZA zoos would be the prairie dog (already in game), river otter, and porcupine, probably.
3. A lot more waterfowl which could make good additions, some of which (like, say, the northern pintail and common merganser) also have ranges across much of the rest of the world. Others worth mentioning as both interesting and common in captivity are the ruddy duck and hooded merganser.
4. For the aviary birds section, another that comes up to a couple hundred holdings worldwide (most in NA) is the turkey vulture. As with the bald eagle, almost all are unreleasable rescues.
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I'm doing the same for Nearctic animals in the base game.
  • Timber and Arctic Wolf ( >500 holdings?, ~126 in NA, + 42 red wolf)
  • Grizzly Bear (>200 counting all brown bear subspecies, ~80 brown bears in NA)
  • Mountain Lion (325 holdings, 160 in NA)
  • Wolverine (68 holdings, 11 in NA)
  • Striped Skunk (264 holdings, 83 in NA)
  • Raccoon (>500 holdings, 94 in NA)
  • Red Fox (~243 holdings, ~100 in NA)
  • Arctic Fox (183 holdings, 53 in NA)
  • Polar Bear (100 holdings, 29 in NA)
  • Grey Seal (40 holdings, 10 in NA)
  • California Sea Lion (191 holdings, 63 in NA)
The wolves, 2 bears, mountain lion, and sea lion are all very nice. The grey seal is good, but a harbor seal probably would have been a bit better. We're still missing our main bear, the American black bear, but otherwise, the large carnivore lineup is great. I agree that here, the red fox, raccoon, and striped skunk are more famous as animal ambassadors/pests than zoo animals, but they could still be useful for a wildlife refuge/rehab-type facility. The wolverine isn't that common in zoos, but it was too iconic to miss. The river otter and bobcat are clearly missing, but they have alternates. I will be sad if I don't get my ABB, but I'm otherwise very happy with the carnivoran lineup.
  • Bison (~275 holdings, 149 in NA)
  • Moose (~20 holdings in NA, but many more in Europe)
  • Reindeer (>200 holdings, ~32 in NA)
  • Pronghorn (20 holdings in NA)
  • Collared Peccary (157, 43 in NA + >50 other peccaries)
  • Dall Sheep (11, 7 in NA)
The bison and to a lesser extent the peccary are the only ones I'd consider true, common zoo animals. The moose and reindeer are so famous and popular that they are probably the top two deer expected in the game although the European fallow deer is the realistic choice (>700 holdings, I think). For local species, we'd be much more likely to find an elk or white-tailed deer. The former is more impressive and marketable, but the latter would probably be more useful. It is the only ungulate for the eastern forests and could have interspecies enrichment with a lot. At least one would be nice, but I could live without it. The pronghorn isn't really kept outside of its range, but it's a neat oddball. The Dall sheep frustrates me. Although we don't keep too many bighorn sheep or mountain goats, they are still more common and much more famous. I live here, and I didn't know it existed. If I could split it into a bighorn sheep, a muskox, and perhaps a mountain goat, too, I would. It was still a nice, unique addition at the time. I can live with the current ungulate lineup, but options for a more realistic deer and maybe a caprid would be nice. Muskox would be great for Arctic sections, which kind of feel like another continent, so I sometimes forget to include them.
  • Prairie Dog (304 holdings, 98 in NA)
  • North American Beaver (68 holdings, 45 in NA)
  • American Alligator (371 holdings, 241 in NA)
A porcupine would be nice, but we're pretty good here. The only issue is birds. We've got our beloved prairie dogs, Canada's national mammal, and our very famous, popular crocodilian. I didn't list the counts, but I'm more than happy with our exhibit lineup, too. The bald eagle is our big one, but for doable species, the turkey, at least one waterfowl, and maybe a crane would be very nice. It's kind of sad that we're the only continent with absolutely no birds. Hopefully, we'll get one before support ends.

So yeah, our animal lineup is pretty great. With a couple of birds and the American black bear, I'd be content to use mods for everything else. If support continues for longer than anyone expects, we still have some great options that I'd love to see.
 
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PlanetSoyJak

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SuzieSky said:
I'm doing the same for Nearctic animals in the base game.
  • Timber and Arctic Wolf ( >500 holdings?, ~126 in NA, + 42 red wolf)
  • Grizzly Bear (>200 counting all brown bear subspecies, ~80 brown bears in NA)
  • Mountain Lion (325 holdings, 160 in NA)
  • Wolverine (68 holdings, 11 in NA)
  • Striped Skunk (264 holdings, 83 in NA)
  • Raccoon (>500 holdings, 94 in NA)
  • Red Fox (~243 holdings, ~100 in NA)
  • Arctic Fox (183 holdings, 53 in NA)
  • Polar Bear (100 holdings, 29 in NA)
  • Grey Seal (40 holdings, 10 in NA)
  • California Sea Lion (191 holdings, 63 in NA)
The wolves, 2 bears, mountain lion, and sea lion are all very nice. The grey seal is good, but a harbor seal probably would have been a bit better. We're still missing our main bear, the American black bear, but otherwise, the large carnivore lineup is great. I agree that here, the red fox, raccoon, and striped skunk are more famous as animal ambassadors/pests than zoo animals, but they could still be useful for a wildlife refuge/rehab-type facility. The wolverine isn't that common in zoos, but it was too iconic to miss. The river otter and bobcat are clearly missing, but they have alternates. I will be sad if I don't get my ABB, but I'm otherwise very happy with the carnivoran lineup.
  • Bison (~275 holdings, 149 in NA)
  • Moose (~20 holdings in NA, but many more in Europe)
  • Reindeer (~5 holdings? in NA, a few in Europe)
  • Pronghorn (20 holdings in NA)
  • Collared Peccary (157, 43 in NA + >50 other peccaries)
  • Dall Sheep (11, 7 in NA)
The bison and to a lesser extent the peccary are the only ones I'd consider true, common zoo animals. The moose and reindeer are so famous and popular that they are probably the top two deer expected in the game although the European fallow deer is the realistic choice (>700 holdings, I think). For local species, we'd be much more likely to find an elk or white-tailed deer. The former is more impressive and marketable, but the latter would probably be more useful. It is the only ungulate for the eastern forests and could have interspecies enrichment with a lot. At least one would be nice, but I could live without it. The pronghorn isn't really kept outside of its range, but it's a neat oddball. The Dall sheep frustrates me. Although we don't keep too many bighorn sheep or mountain goats, they are still more common and much more famous. I live here, and I didn't know it existed. If I could split it into a bighorn sheep, a muskox, and perhaps a mountain goat, too, I would. It was still a nice, unique addition at the time. I can live with the current ungulate lineup, but options for a more realistic deer and maybe a caprid would be nice. Muskox would be great for Arctic sections, which kind of feel like another continent, so I sometimes forget to include them.
  • Prairie Dog (304 holdings, 98 in NA)
  • North American Beaver (68 holdings, 45 in NA)
  • American Alligator (371 holdings, 241 in NA)
A porcupine would be nice, but we're pretty good here. The only issue is birds. We've got our beloved prairie dogs, Canada's national mammal, and our very famous, popular crocodilian. I didn't list the counts, but I'm more than happy with our exhibit lineup, too. The bald eagle is our big one, but for doable species, the turkey, at least one waterfowl, and maybe a crane would be very nice. It's kind of sad that we're the only continent with absolutely no birds. Hopefully, we'll get one before support ends.

So yeah, our animal lineup is pretty great. With a couple of birds and the American black bear, I'd be content to use mods for everything else. If support continues for longer than anyone expects, we still have some great options that I'd love to see.
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Yeah, I think North America is in a really good position. They have the iconic sea lion, got the mountain lion, American Bison.

Though I think ABB, Wild Turkey, Elk, North American Porcupine, North American River Otter, and White-Tailed Deer are very needed and would be amazing to add if this wasn't the "final pack"
 

Veah

Veah
SuzieSky said:
I'm doing the same for Nearctic animals in the base game.
  • Timber and Arctic Wolf ( >500 holdings?, ~126 in NA, + 42 red wolf)
  • Grizzly Bear (>200 counting all brown bear subspecies, ~80 brown bears in NA)
  • Mountain Lion (325 holdings, 160 in NA)
  • Wolverine (68 holdings, 11 in NA)
  • Striped Skunk (264 holdings, 83 in NA)
  • Raccoon (>500 holdings, 94 in NA)
  • Red Fox (~243 holdings, ~100 in NA)
  • Arctic Fox (183 holdings, 53 in NA)
  • Polar Bear (100 holdings, 29 in NA)
  • Grey Seal (40 holdings, 10 in NA)
  • California Sea Lion (191 holdings, 63 in NA)
The wolves, 2 bears, mountain lion, and sea lion are all very nice. The grey seal is good, but a harbor seal probably would have been a bit better. We're still missing our main bear, the American black bear, but otherwise, the large carnivore lineup is great. I agree that here, the red fox, raccoon, and striped skunk are more famous as animal ambassadors/pests than zoo animals, but they could still be useful for a wildlife refuge/rehab-type facility. The wolverine isn't that common in zoos, but it was too iconic to miss. The river otter and bobcat are clearly missing, but they have alternates. I will be sad if I don't get my ABB, but I'm otherwise very happy with the carnivoran lineup.
  • Bison (~275 holdings, 149 in NA)
  • Moose (~20 holdings in NA, but many more in Europe)
  • Reindeer (~5 holdings? in NA, a few in Europe)
  • Pronghorn (20 holdings in NA)
  • Collared Peccary (157, 43 in NA + >50 other peccaries)
  • Dall Sheep (11, 7 in NA)
The bison and to a lesser extent the peccary are the only ones I'd consider true, common zoo animals. The moose and reindeer are so famous and popular that they are probably the top two deer expected in the game although the European fallow deer is the realistic choice (>700 holdings, I think). For local species, we'd be much more likely to find an elk or white-tailed deer. The former is more impressive and marketable, but the latter would probably be more useful. It is the only ungulate for the eastern forests and could have interspecies enrichment with a lot. At least one would be nice, but I could live without it. The pronghorn isn't really kept outside of its range, but it's a neat oddball. The Dall sheep frustrates me. Although we don't keep too many bighorn sheep or mountain goats, they are still more common and much more famous. I live here, and I didn't know it existed. If I could split it into a bighorn sheep, a muskox, and perhaps a mountain goat, too, I would. It was still a nice, unique addition at the time. I can live with the current ungulate lineup, but options for a more realistic deer and maybe a caprid would be nice. Muskox would be great for Arctic sections, which kind of feel like another continent, so I sometimes forget to include them.
  • Prairie Dog (304 holdings, 98 in NA)
  • North American Beaver (68 holdings, 45 in NA)
  • American Alligator (371 holdings, 241 in NA)
A porcupine would be nice, but we're pretty good here. The only issue is birds. We've got our beloved prairie dogs, Canada's national mammal, and our very famous, popular crocodilian. I didn't list the counts, but I'm more than happy with our exhibit lineup, too. The bald eagle is our big one, but for doable species, the turkey, at least one waterfowl, and maybe a crane would be very nice. It's kind of sad that we're the only continent with absolutely no birds. Hopefully, we'll get one before support ends.

So yeah, our animal lineup is pretty great. With a couple of birds and the American black bear, I'd be content to use mods for everything else. If support continues for longer than anyone expects, we still have some great options that I'd love to see.
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Careful with the reindeer, in Zootierliste they are divided into several subspecies and also some breeds appear in the domestics tab. They are extremely common in both Europe and the US, those numbers don't make sense.
 

SanRazo

SanRazo
Mjmannella said:
The problem is that there's nothing that could really be done because the problem is just the nature of tortoise movement. Unless you're okay with them walking abnormally fast, then you're stuck with a lot of dead tortoises.
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They fixed this a long time ago…. As long as you have food and water in the enclosure their needs will be met
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
Veah said:
Careful with the reindeer, in Zootierliste they are divided into several subspecies and also some breeds appear in the domestics tab. They are extremely common in both Europe and the US, those numbers don't make sense.
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Fixed. I didn't realize they had a domestic entry, and the subspecies were confusing me a little. I know I haven't seen many here, but I thought I remembered them being more common in Europe. Thanks!
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
SuzieSky said:
The only issue is birds. We've got our beloved prairie dogs, Canada's national mammal, and our very famous, popular crocodilian. I didn't list the counts, but I'm more than happy with our exhibit lineup, too. The bald eagle is our big one, but for doable species, the turkey, at least one waterfowl, and maybe a crane would be very nice. It's kind of sad that we're the only continent with absolutely no birds. Hopefully, we'll get one before support ends.
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The mute swan debatably counts. The main populations in North America were introduced by European settlers as ornamental animals, but there's quite a bit of fossil evidence suggesting they lived in North America during the Pleistocene.

Other thing I'll add is that despite not being our native peccary, the Chacoan peccary is by far the most common one in accredited zoos due to the AZA's breeding program for them. Almost all the zoos with collared peccaries are in the West.
 

PlanetSoyJak

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SanRazo said:
Finally caught up with this thread… goodness this debate is getting exhausting. I’m team Highlands. Common sense screams that. If it’s not I’ll be surprised and this is a weird choice for animal selection on a key art.
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Then whats the point of them adding Zoo Keeper, Base Game Celebratory Construction Pieces, and a Party Tent in a Highlands pack.

[Also, I don't care what the pack is. I just need more animals..!!!]
 

SanRazo

SanRazo
PlanetZooLover said:
Then whats the point of them adding Zoo Keeper, Base Game Celebratory Construction Pieces, and a Party Tent in a Highlands pack.
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Cause it’s also the final pack and anniversary time. The “celebratory” pieces can be their attempt at Himalayas theming and they forgot they had square flags. It’s not that deep. The animals scream highlands.
 
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DarthQuell

DarthQuell
PlanetZooLover said:
Then whats the point of them adding Zoo Keeper, Base Game Celebratory Construction Pieces, and a Party Tent in a Highlands pack.

[Also, I don't care what the pack is. I just need more animals..!!!]
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Like @SanRazo said, it could be because they're releasing the pack around the 5th anniversary (which I predicted was gonna happen, by the way. You can't have a 4 year anniversary, you need 5 years
 

Milurian

Milurian
nutrit said:
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Also known as Moon festival much connected to the moon and it looks like moonlight in the art.

The Mid-Autumn Festival, also known as the Moon Festival or Mooncake Festival (see § Etymology), is a harvest festival celebrated in Chinese culture. It is held on the 15th day of the 8th month of the Chinese lunisolar calendar with a full moon at night, corresponding to mid-September to early October of the Gregorian calendar. On this day, the Chinese believe that the moon is at its brightest and fullest size, coinciding with harvest time in the middle of autumn.

The Mid-Autumn Festival is one of the most important holidays in Chinese culture; its popularity is on par with that of Chinese New Year. The history of the festival dates back over 3,000 years.[3][4] Similar festivals are celebrated by other cultures in East and Southeast Asia.

During the festival, lanterns of all size and shapes – which symbolize beacons that light people's path to prosperity and good fortune – are carried and displayed. Mooncakes, a rich pastry typically filled with sweet-bean, egg yolk, meat or lotus-seed paste, are traditionally eaten during this festival. The Mid-Autumn Festival is based on the legend of Chang'e, the Moon goddess in Chinese mythology.
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NachoB said:
Any animals associated with them?

I'm just thinking something else... All three animals are representations of chinese Zodiac animals: markhor is a goat, Palla's cat is a cat and the baboon is a monkey (although what a wasted chance for the GSNM if this is the case 😂).

12 animals in chinese calendar, 12 animals in the DLC

So this confirms we will get our third tiger 😂😂
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nutrit said:
Also the jelly cake they’ve mentioned would fit the moon festival tradition of mooncakes. One of the most popular mooncakes are jelly mooncakes.

And yes I know it’s a bit too much copium 😜
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Honestly this is the one theme that I actually think is viable explains everything the choice of asian inspired decor, the temperate foggy forest, the choice of asian animals and animals often associated with mythology, plus it also explains the jelly cake enrichment and the release date being almost exactly mid autumn. mid autumn animal pack is what im going with.

based on the chinese zodiac
rat = muskrat
ox = gaur or yak
tiger = pallas cat
hare = european rabbit
dragon = perentie
snake = emerald tree boa
horse = domestic horse
ram = markhor
monkey = hamadryas baboon
rooster = red jungle fowl
dog = bush dog
pig = white lipped peccary
 

Villanelle

Villanelle
Milurian said:
Honestly this is the one theme that I actually think is viable explains everything the choice of asian inspired decor, the temperate foggy forest, the choice of asian animals and animals often associated with mythology, plus it also explains the jelly cake enrichment and the release date being almost exactly mid autumn. mid autumn animal pack is what im going with.

based on the chinese zodiac
rat = muskrat
ox = gaur or yak
tiger = pallas cat
hare = european rabbit
dragon = perentie
snake = emerald tree boa
horse = domestic horse
ram = markhor
monkey = hamadryas baboon
rooster = red jungle fowl
dog = bush dog
pig = white lipped peccary
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It's a lovely theory, very creative. I love the idea of a lunar festival themed pack. I don't think that's what it is, but I'd be glad to be wrong.
 

NachoB

NachoB
Milurian said:
Honestly this is the one theme that I actually think is viable explains everything the choice of asian inspired decor, the temperate foggy forest, the choice of asian animals and animals often associated with mythology, plus it also explains the jelly cake enrichment and the release date being almost exactly mid autumn. mid autumn animal pack is what im going with.

based on the chinese zodiac
rat = muskrat
ox = gaur or yak
tiger = pallas cat
hare = european rabbit
dragon = perentie
snake = emerald tree boa
horse = domestic horse
ram = markhor
monkey = hamadryas baboon
rooster = red jungle fowl
dog = bush dog
pig = white lipped peccary
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i forgot about the ox and for some reason i thought there was a cat as well not just the tiger. I guess the palla's cat then counts as the tiger.

I was joking when i said the chinese calendar thing though and tbh i hope it doesn't turn out to be true because that would mean only the baboon and no NWM since the monkey would already be represented, and while the palla's cat and the markhor are highly requested animals the rest of a rostar based on the calendar would be full of oddballs or second tier options. No canid really excites me much although i guess the bush dog would the closest to something actually cool in that deparment, but we really don't need another donkey/zebra or another pig (of any type). And these would mean only one bird and that it should be a galliform, so yeah cool i want pheasants but i would like to keep hope for more than one bird (and for a pelican and rhea) alive for a little longer (even though i know we are most likely getting JUST one bird and the secretary is the chosen one).
 
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