Imaginez si dans le prochain DLC nous avions des oiseaux volants comme le condor des Andes ou le pygargue à tête blanche
DLC18 discussion and predictions
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My brain after reading the last 5 pages:
Did a bit of "image association" with my partner using the key art tonight. Basically asked her to make a snap judgement on the "theme" based on the image. First thought, no real thinking... Her response? "Foggy forest glen." And, I mean, she's not wrong... 
Then when she focused on the animals she immediately got all confused. She knew the species but couldn't figure out the connection. "Mountains? But the baboons don-- Asia? But the baboons agai--this is stupid. Can we get back to the TV?"
Then when she focused on the animals she immediately got all confused. She knew the species but couldn't figure out the connection. "Mountains? But the baboons don-- Asia? But the baboons agai--this is stupid. Can we get back to the TV?"
About sums up this thread.Did a bit of "image association" with my partner using the key art tonight. Basically asked her to make a snap judgement on the "theme" based on the image. First thought, no real thinking... Her response? "Foggy forest glen." And, I mean, she's not wrong...
Then when she focused on the animals she immediately got all confused. She knew the species but couldn't figure out the connection. "Mountains? But the baboons don-- Asia? But the baboons agai--this is stupid. Can we get back to the TV?"
Anyway so let’s get this back on track - first of all I expect us to get news either tomorrow or Friday. Tomorrow because Tuesdays are popular for announcements Friday because well is national animal day.
I do like the idea of what animals we actually need and what animals would add something to the game. I’m gonna try to be as unbiased as possible, here are a few animals that I feel would genuinely add something to the game:
I do like the idea of what animals we actually need and what animals would add something to the game. I’m gonna try to be as unbiased as possible, here are a few animals that I feel would genuinely add something to the game:
- Aoudad - with us now getting the Markhor along with the takin, ibex and sheep we are still missing an arid caprine. Doesn’t have to be the aoudad but it does feel like the most popular one for the role so that’s what I’m choosing here.
- Japanese Serow or Raccoon Dog. As someone said earlier we only have 2 native Japanese animals, one a bird and one a primate (ironic cause those are 2 of the rarest types we get lol) so having something like a canid or ungulate even would help Japanese sections in zoos - you could also combine the Serow with macaques and cranes probably.
- Nile Crocodile. Pretty sure this one speaks for itself itself, the only African reptile we have is the Nile monitor which doesn’t fill the same niche as a croc.
You literally said "I consider the black bear needed", as per the quote above.I never said it was
Yeah, as Konig helpfully supplied, that was my whole point, but this thread is moving so fast these days I don't blame you for missing the context.
My whole beef is the word "need". It's a stupid word to use in a discussion about the roster. As has been said, about ten thousand times since November 2019 until today, by me and probably half of everyone else, objectivity is impossible. Your "need" is my "wasted slot". My "need" is your "wasted slot", etc., etc., ad nauseum.
I don't even know where to begin with this. I'm going to breeze on by the embarrassing admission you made that you have never heard of New Zealand and cut to the point:
Let's look at those animals. In what way are any of them unique? Coati? We have a raccoon. Spider monkey? We have several monkeys. Duck? Swan. Shoebill? Crane, flamingo. Hyrax? Meerkat, prairie dog. Klipspringer, dik-dik, muntjac? Is that a joke? Springbok, gazelles, oryx, nyala, etc... I'm assuming "monel" is meant to be "monal", as in the Himalayan monal, which is practically just a peafowl. Walrus? Come on, dude - grey seal, sea lion.
The word "unique" loses all meaning here. Unique in what regard? What an animal looks like? Break it down to a digital mesh skeleton and they're all the same. In how you build? Fundamentally identical, aside from what items you choose to use to decorate a habitat with. In-game behaviour? Again, nothing is partcularly stand-out. Walk, run, eat, sleep, interact with an item.
IMO everyone needs to free themselves from these self-imposed constraints and arbitrary criteria and be more honest about what they want. The animals I want for the game are simply animals I have an affinity towards. It has nothing to do with "uniqueness", because again, that means nothing, nor "diversity", for more concrete reasons, being that I think my zoo game should reflect real zoos, and real zoos don't base what animals they keep on whimsical aesthetics, or rather haven't since the early 20th Century or thereabouts. In some cases, my desires line up with those of others, sometimes those of the majority, and sometimes I might as well be a lone voice, but it doesn't matter. It's not about what I think the game "needs" because the game doesn't "need" anything. It's simply about what I want, and, somewhat remarkably, I've actually gotten what I want a lot since 2019 (I sure as hell never expected to see the brown kiwi on the roster, as one random example). In broader strokes my aim is to have a roster with which I can sufficiently recreate something resembling a typical New Zealand zoo. Naturally I'm not deluded enough to think I can do it perfectly, which is why I've always maintained I only need two of my own country's species to do it - those being the kiwi and the tuatara (the latter of which I have given up hope on, but you can't win them all).
To do that, the animals I want are a very mixed bag. Some line up with what the community wants (Hamadryas baboon being the most recent example, as well as the serval which ranks rather highly on the meta-wishlist but we probably won't see, thank you very much Mr Pallas Cat with your stupid memeable face), some are examples of animals the community would lynch Frontier for providing (that being the Sumatran tiger, though I have other reasons for wanting that too). In any case, it's not about need. When discussing need, almost every animal brought up has a serviceable alternative already in the game. You want a duck? Use the swan. As soon as you suggest that, though, it very quickly stops being about need and is all of a sudden all about want. Which brings us back to the main point - stop pretending the game needs things and just plainly state that these are things you want.
You know who I always admire for this? @DarthQuell. Quell routinely posts about his beloved grey fox, a species which has never quite picked up a huge amount of traction within the community, but Quell also routinely uses the word "want". Everyone needs to be more like Quell, I think. DarthQuell wants the grey fox. The game doesn't need the grey fox.
Now, observe, as Frontier reveals the Walia ibex!
They definetly are being kept. But the thing with monkeys is that there are so many species with a decent number of holdings that you cant really pin one down and say 'thats the common one you always see!'
I tried to stay away from the obvious ones like SA monkeys cause we already know we need those.
- Nile Crocodile. Pretty sure this one speaks for itself itself, the only African reptile we have is the Nile monitor which doesn’t fill the same niche as a croc.
Sigh... as much as I agree Africa deserves a crocodilian, I'd rather it not be the Salty 2.0... go with something original, like the Slender-Snouted Croc...
Were getting an arid caprine actually with the markhor as they also live in deserty, shrublandy regions and are not exclussive to mountainsAnyway so let’s get this back on track - first of all I expect us to get news either tomorrow or Friday. Tomorrow because Tuesdays are popular for announcements Friday because well is national animal day.
I do like the idea of what animals we actually need and what animals would add something to the game. I’m gonna try to be as unbiased as possible, here are a few animals that I feel would genuinely add something to the game:
I tried to stay away from the obvious ones like SA monkeys cause we already know we need those.
- Aoudad - with us now getting the Markhor along with the takin, ibex and sheep we are still missing an arid caprine. Doesn’t have to be the aoudad but it does feel like the most popular one for the role so that’s what I’m choosing here.View attachment 403362
- Japanese Serow or Raccoon Dog. As someone said earlier we only have 2 native Japanese animals, one a bird and one a primate (ironic cause those are 2 of the rarest types we get lol) so having something like a canid or ungulate even would help Japanese sections in zoos - you could also combine the Serow with macaques and cranes probably.
- Nile Crocodile. Pretty sure this one speaks for itself itself, the only African reptile we have is the Nile monitor which doesn’t fill the same niche as a croc.
I just think they look very similar, that's all.
(The animals, not the biomes)
Idk I just hate muskox with a passion.
It's one of the worst animals we could get in my opinion.
Especially if we get that abomination over a walrus which is something that is actually interesting and unique, and not another cow looking thing (yes I know it's not a cow, and? It behaves and moves in the same way. Nothing new as far as I'm concerned)
It's one of the worst animals we could get in my opinion.
Especially if we get that abomination over a walrus which is something that is actually interesting and unique, and not another cow looking thing (yes I know it's not a cow, and? It behaves and moves in the same way. Nothing new as far as I'm concerned)
Why not both? Throw in the orinoco, morelett's and chinese alligator too. I'm all for more crocodilians and more reptiles and amphibians in general. Especially turtles. For a game about conservation it sure is lacking the most endangered group of animals on earth.Sigh... as much as I agree Africa deserves a crocodilian, I'd rather it not be the Salty 2.0... go with something original, like the Slender-Snouted Croc...
I'm with you on "news on Tuesday or Friday" vibe. Though I do think what that news is might vary if it's Tuesday. Could be a trailer drop. Could be a new update screenshot. Could be... I don't know what. Hah. But the silence today means they gotta say something tomorrow. Though it may not necessarily be the news we're hoping for.
I say that mostly because a trailer tomorrow would mean the DLC releases next Tuesday. Feasible? Yes. But it feels a bit too soon for "a couple of weeks." I get that it's technically in that range but I'm still banking on a Friday trailer with the DLC dropping on Tuesday the 15th.
The silence today and the time between the LQA update and next week is giving me a bit of pause, though... We'll see!
I don't hate any of these picks. But the crocodile is, to me at least, the least "necessary" of the bunch (relatively speaking). There's a sufficient "stand-in" for it while the others are all relatively unique! The serow would probably be my top pick with raccoon dog being a close second. The aoudad is a fine pick but... I'm just not in love with it.I do like the idea of what animals we actually need and what animals would add something to the game. I’m gonna try to be as unbiased as possible, here are a few animals that I feel would genuinely add something to the game:
I tried to stay away from the obvious ones like SA monkeys cause we already know we need those.
- Aoudad - with us now getting the Markhor along with the takin, ibex and sheep we are still missing an arid caprine. Doesn’t have to be the aoudad but it does feel like the most popular one for the role so that’s what I’m choosing here.View attachment 403362
- Japanese Serow or Raccoon Dog. As someone said earlier we only have 2 native Japanese animals, one a bird and one a primate (ironic cause those are 2 of the rarest types we get lol) so having something like a canid or ungulate even would help Japanese sections in zoos - you could also combine the Serow with macaques and cranes probably.
- Nile Crocodile. Pretty sure this one speaks for itself itself, the only African reptile we have is the Nile monitor which doesn’t fill the same niche as a croc.
A few other adds that would feel pretty unique and add something new:
- Burrowing owl! It's a bird, it burrows, and would provide a nice option for NA areas, desert houses, bird houses, etc.
- Ducks or puffins! Are these too obvious?
- Black-footed ferret. Is it the most unique mammal? No. But it would pair real nicely with the prairie dog for a predator/prey habitat combo, it's endangered, and it would make a really nice base for a range of non-swimming weasels! I'll even take some variant of mongoose as an alternate...
- Chinchilla. Look, I just want them if we get the dust bath enrichment to, okay?!!
- Tamandua. A unique climber that fills an important niche in an important region.
- Kinkajou. Take the binturong but make it Latin American and give it a shave! Or slot in the ringtail. Either way, they could fill a gap in small mammalian non-monkey climbers for Central and/or South America. I guess the tamandua would count too... But I'm tired and lazy and I really like all of these.
Yeah, except it took about 90 seconds, not 90 days.
Sigh... because we already have five crocodilians in the game... and for a lot of people, just having the basic four (an alligator, a gharial, a crocodile, and a caiman) was enough...
I don't think another crocodilian is a major priority at all but my pick would probably be the West African dwarf crocodile.
I prefer the generic European wildcat. They look the same to me, so I don't need to have another Formosan or Himalayan bear situation. They did it right with the puma by giving the generic puma instead of the Florida panther.
Probably doesn't help that they look like an ordinary Domestic Cat... which makes sense, they're both members of the Felis genus...
Adding the Florida Panther specifically wouldn't even make sense nowadays, since it's been considered a part of the North American Cougar subspecies (Puma concolor couguar) since the early 2000's.
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